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Sinner will soon punish Djoker and he will
advance to the Aussie Open 2026 final! Hahah!

br,
KK
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On 29/01/2026 6:56 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Sinner will soon punish Djoker and he will
advance to the Aussie Open 2026 final! Hahah!

br,
KK

What are the odds Sinner and Alcaraz pull out due to injury, allowing
Djokovic to ascend to the all time record of 25 singles slam titles?
That means he hasn't won a set since the 3rd round and still claims the
title.

Divine intervention on steroids?

The haters would come out in force but it's still a legit win in my eyes
as he's clearly been the 3rd best slam player for last few years.
Keeping fit and sustaining injuries are part of the game.


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On 29.1.2026 0.09, Whisper wrote:

On 29/01/2026 6:56 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Sinner will soon punish Djoker and he will
advance to the Aussie Open 2026 final! Hahah!

br,
KK

What are the odds Sinner and Alcaraz pull out due to injury, allowing Djokovic to ascend to the all time record of 25 singles slam titles?
That means he hasn't won a set since the 3rd round and still claims the title.

Divine intervention on steroids?

The haters would come out in force but it's still a legit win in my eyes
as he's clearly been the 3rd best slam player for last few years.
Keeping fit and sustaining injuries are part of the game.

Would be a great way to wrap it up. Pocket the 25th with 2.5 wins.
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On 1/29/26 10:40 AM, TT wrote:

Whisper kirjoitti 29.1.2026 klo 0.09:

What are the odds Sinner and Alcaraz pull out due to injury, allowing
Djokovic to ascend to the all time record of 25 singles slam titles?
That means he hasn't won a set since the 3rd round and still claims
the title.

Divine intervention on steroids?

Slim odds.
Maybe Zverev would deserve it more?

Where does all this "deserve" stuff come from?
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Where does all this "deserve" stuff come from?--

MPOAT

I studied it and posted my findings under MPOAT theory.

I guess you've seen yearly list I post? In the beginning I did after each slam, later only annual.



Basically it's about distribution. Normal distribution.

If you make 17 slam QFs, it means you're decent player, good one, no?

But if you get stuck 17 times in QF not advancing any further, it's not really normal. It's an anomaly.

You'd say it's not an anomaly, that you're simply not good enough? Well perhaps.

But it strikes out.

Bad players don't make 17 QFs.

Good ones, if they make 17 QFs, also make SF+ out of those 17 runs.

Nobody makes exactly 17 slam QFs. No?

Bottom line, such player either "deserves more" , to have a couple of SF+ or perhaps he "didn't deserve" all those QF in the first place.

Such record is unbalanced and that's what people notice.


So when applied to Zverev case, to make everything "normal", he should stop making deep slam runs and disappear from the tour, or he should finally win a slam.

So "deserve" is basically "overdue" from a statistical point of view. ;)

The guy is almost 10 years a top player, two time yec champion, Olympic winner, 3-time runner up etc.


Accirding to MPOAT I think Berdych is still the best one in open era without a slam. Perhaps Zverev surpassed him. It could be. I don't know right now.

Technically best without a slam was actually Roche since he is ahead of Berdych in MPOAT list, but Roche actually won a slam in amateurs so he's not slamless so in essence it was Berdych.

Definitely could be Zverev as the best one right now.
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What can you say?
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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

What can you say?

I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.

I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in those sets, I felt it was over.
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On 31/01/2026 1:34 am, Whisper wrote:

What can you say?

Novak I mean
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On 31/01/2026 1:37 am, *skriptis wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

What can you say?

I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.

I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in those sets, I felt it was over.

There are no words. People will look back on this match in 50 years
when discussing goats. He's 1 of a kind.
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On 31/01/2026 1:38 am, Whisper wrote:

On 31/01/2026 1:37 am, *skriptis wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

What can you say?

I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the
third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.

I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in
those sets, I felt it was over.

There are no words.-a People will look back on this match in 50 years
when discussing goats.-a He's 1 of a kind.

I gave him maybe 5% chance. Now I have to consider he may beat Alcaraz
too and claim the stand alone 25th slam. It would be a great way to
retire if he pulls it off. Somehow I think he'll just keep going until
he really believes he can't win a slam.
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On 31/01/2026 1:41 am, Whisper wrote:

On 31/01/2026 1:38 am, Whisper wrote:

On 31/01/2026 1:37 am, *skriptis wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

What can you say?

I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the
third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.

I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in
those sets, I felt it was over.

There are no words.-a People will look back on this match in 50 years
when discussing goats.-a He's 1 of a kind.

I gave him maybe 5% chance.-a Now I have to consider he may beat Alcaraz
too and claim the stand alone 25th slam.-a It would be a great way to
retire if he pulls it off.-a Somehow I think he'll just keep going until
he really believes he can't win a slam.

But if I were him I think I would retire if I won. Everything went his
way this slam - 3 straight set wins to start (no long draining matches), Mensik withdraws, Musetti gets freak injury leading 2-0. This win over
Sinner is incredible. No excuses for Sinner he was simply outplayed.
Probably doesn't happen if he didn't get those earlier breaks, but that doesn't matter it's part of the game and keeping fit etc. Alcaraz
appears to be worn out after that semi so not likely to be at his
explosive best. Only problem is Novak should be a a little worn out
after this match, so depends how he recovers. He may be fine as it was
only 1 draining match all tournament. All the stars seem to be aligning
for him to go out with a bang, worthy of the goat.

If he plays on after winning he's very unlikely to get all these breaks
again, so should seriously consider retiring.
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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

On 31/01/2026 1:41 am, Whisper wrote:> On 31/01/2026 1:38 am, Whisper wro=

On 31/01/2026 1:37 am, *skriptis wrote:>>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.c= om.au> Wrote in message:r>>>> What can you say?>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought he wa=

s done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the >>> third set to lose it=
, going 2-1 sets down.>>>>>> I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and =
to be merely 1-1 in >>> those sets, I felt it was over.>>>>>>>>>>>> There a=
re no words. People will look back on this match in 50 years >> when discu= ssing goats. He's 1 of a kind.> > > I gave him maybe 5% chance. Now I hav=
e to consider he may beat Alcaraz > too and claim the stand alone 25th slam=
. It would be a great way to > retire if he pulls it off. Somehow I think=
he'll just keep going until > he really believes he can't win a slam.But i=
f I were him I think I would retire if I won. Everything went his way this=
slam - 3 straight set wins to start (no long draining matches), Mensik wit= hdraws, Musetti gets freak injury leading 2-0. This win over Sinner is inc= redible. No excuses for Sinner he was simply outplayed. Probably doesn't ha= ppen if he didn't get those earlier breaks, but that doesn't matter it's pa=
rt of the game and keeping fit etc. Alcaraz appears to be worn out after t= hat semi so not likely to be at his explosive best. Only problem is Novak = should be a a little worn out after this match, so depends how he recovers.=
He may be fine as it was only 1 draining match all tournament. All the s= tars seem to be aligning for him to go out with a bang, worthy of the goat.=
If he plays on after winning he's very unlikely to get all these breaks aga= in, so should seriously consider retiring.




So you feel going out like Sampras is of utmost importance?


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On 31/01/2026 1:52 am, *skriptis wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

On 31/01/2026 1:41 am, Whisper wrote:> On 31/01/2026 1:38 am, Whisper wrote:>> On 31/01/2026 1:37 am, *skriptis wrote:>>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>>>> What can you say?>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the >>> third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.>>>>>> I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in >>> those sets, I felt it was over.>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no words. People will look back on this match in 50 years >> when discussing goats. He's 1 of a kind.> > > I gave him maybe 5% chance. Now I have to consider he may beat Alcaraz > too and claim the stand alone 25th slam. It would be a great way to > retire if he pulls it off. Somehow I think he'll just keep going until > he really believes he can't win a slam.But if I were him I think I would retire if I won. Everything went his way this slam - 3 straight set wins to start (no long draining matches), Mensik withdraws, Musetti gets freak injury leading 2-0. This win over Sinner is incredible. No excuses for Sinner he was simply outplayed. Probably doesn't happen if he didn't get those earlier breaks, but that doesn't matter it's part of the game and keeping fit etc. Alcaraz appears to be worn out after that semi so not likely to be at his explosive best. Only problem is Novak should be a a little worn out after this match, so depends how he recovers. He may be fine as it was only 1 draining match all tournament. All the stars seem to be aligning for him to go out with a bang, worthy of the goat.If he plays on after winning he's very unlikely to get all these breaks again, so should seriously consider retiring.

So you feel going out like Sampras is of utmost importance?

I just feel he hasn't made a slam final since Wimbledon 2024, 2.5 years
ago. He got thrashed 62 62 76. He hasn't won a slam since 2023. Would
he have made final here if Mensik and Musetti didn't withdraw?
Reasonable chance he would have lost to either of them. If he's only
playing to win slams then I can't see him ever getting a better chance
than this. I'm personally happy to see him play til 45 if he wants.
He's only plying to win slams, I can't see it getting easier - he's 40
next year.


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On 1/30/26 6:37 AM, *skriptis wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

What can you say?

I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.

I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in those sets, I felt it was over.

What was the temperature like during the match?

Djok handles heat pretty well--better than Sinner.

Just wondering.
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 1/30/26 6:37 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> What can you say?> > > > I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.> > I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in those sets, I felt it was over.> > What was the temperature like during the match?Djok handles heat pretty well--better than Sinner.Just wondering.

I don't feel Djokovic handles it that better than Sinner? Probably similarly.

Djokovic himself is also very vulnerable in heat and I would say humidity even more.

There's a reason he's won 4 in New York and 10 in Melbourne. That's a huge difference. And both are hardcourt. AO switched to night matches, notably finals around the time Djokovic came to the scene.

But anyway it was a night match so I don't think either was particularly hampered.


My take is this. Djokovic had enough in the tank since he didn't play 2 full matches plus this, after two years of huge domination, Sinner has been "solved". Not just by Djokovic, I mean by coaches all over the world. Tennis science is effective.

Djokovic knew what he had to do. Obviously, it takes both knowing and the ability to do it.

But yeah, Sinner has reached sort of mini plateau, that's my point.

If Djokovic was younger, this would have been that switch of the momentum in rivalry, he had many of those vs Federer and Nadal when each of them would have deconstructed the games of their opponents and went on to have a streak of couple of wins until the other guy doesn't come up with answers.

If you want to bash Sinner you could say he lacked effective and robust plan B too. But he didn't really need one for almost 2 years..
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Whisper kirjoitti 30.1.2026 klo 16.38:

On 31/01/2026 1:37 am, *skriptis wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

What can you say?

I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the
third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.

I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in
those sets, I felt it was over.

There are no words.-a People will look back on this match in 50 years
when discussing goats.-a He's 1 of a kind.

Well Sinner won 2 out of 18 breakpoints.

Djokovic was impressive in that he was near death in set 3, having all
kinds of physical problems & very tired... and once it didn't work and
he lost the set then he made a miracle recovery and had no physical
problems whatsoever in last two sets.
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TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Whisper kirjoitti 30.1.2026 klo 16.38:> On 31/01/2026 1:37 am, *skriptis wrote:>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>>> What can you say?>>>>>>>> I thought he was done after that lousy service game at 4-5 in the >> third set to lose it, going 2-1 sets down.>>>> I felt he was redlining for sets 2 and 3, and to be merely 1-1 in >> those sets, I felt it was over.>>>>> > > There are no words. People will look back on this match in 50 years > when discussing goats. He's 1 of a kind.Well Sinner won 2 out of 18 breakpoints.Djokovic was impressive in that he was near death in set 3, having all kinds of physical problems & very tired... and once it didn't work and he lost the set then he made a miracle recovery and had no physical problems whatsoever in last two sets.

It happens
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