• How Spain stopped being bad?

    From Yama@yama212@yahoo.co.uk to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 19 20:47:49 2026
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    In my youth, Spain was chronical underachiever, a team commentators
    bemoaned in pitiful tones how it was not living up to its potential
    again. Of course I watched through tiki-taka era, when it became a
    dominant force.

    But what was the turnaround? What I remember from Spain's play in
    tournaments prior to success years, their tactics seemed superficially
    similar to tiki-taka: short pass play and keeping the ball. Did Aragones
    bring something truly new to the system, or did Spanish team become
    materially stronger?
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  • From anders t@anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 19 22:25:43 2026
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    Quoting Yama in rec.sport.soccer:
    In my youth, Spain was chronical underachiever, a team commentators
    bemoaned in pitiful tones how it was not living up to its potential
    again. Of course I watched through tiki-taka era, when it became a
    dominant force.

    But what was the turnaround? What I remember from Spain's play in >tournaments prior to success years, their tactics seemed superficially >similar to tiki-taka: short pass play and keeping the ball. Did Aragones >bring something truly new to the system, or did Spanish team become >materially stronger?

    They managed to get the Barca and Real players to play together as a team.
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  • From Werner Pichler@wpichler@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jul 20 11:05:29 2026
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    Yama <yama212@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    In my youth, Spain was chronical underachiever, a team commentators
    bemoaned in pitiful tones how it was not living up to its potential
    again. Of course I watched through tiki-taka era, when it became a
    dominant force.

    But what was the turnaround? What I remember from Spain's play in tournaments prior to success years, their tactics seemed superficially similar to tiki-taka: short pass play and keeping the ball. Did Aragones bring something truly new to the system, or did Spanish team become materially stronger?


    ItrCOs a good question. I remember how the addition of
    midfield steel in the form of Marcos Senna was seen as
    one of the crucial reasons for their 2008 breakthrough.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Yama@yama212@yahoo.co.uk to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jul 20 17:27:23 2026
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    anders t kirjoitti 19.7.2026 klo 23.25:

    They managed to get the Barca and Real players to play together as a team.


    News reporter from Barcelona said today that there were quite a many
    Argentina supporters, apparently not everyone there supports Spanish
    national team.


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  • From FF@...@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Aug 1 22:16:39 2026
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    Werner Pichler wrote:

    Yama <yama212@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    In my youth, Spain was chronical underachiever, a team commentators bemoaned in pitiful tones how it was not living up to its potential
    again. Of course I watched through tiki-taka era, when it became a dominant force.

    But what was the turnaround? What I remember from Spain's play in tournaments prior to success years, their tactics seemed
    superficially similar to tiki-taka: short pass play and keeping the
    ball. Did Aragones bring something truly new to the system, or did
    Spanish team become materially stronger?


    ItrCOs a good question. I remember how the addition of
    midfield steel in the form of Marcos Senna was seen as
    one of the crucial reasons for their 2008 breakthrough.

    Ciao,
    Werner

    The way I remember it, they didn't dominate posession and press high
    like in the tiki-taka era and as they do now. In 2010 they had Xavi and
    Puyol at least, who were personally very strong and the winner type.
    Now the whole team seems to be stronger than even then, better oiled,
    more goal-oriented and, not to forget a small detail, they seem to have
    finally learned how to score enough of the many chances they create.

    Also, let's remember that in 2002 they were the first favorites, ahead
    of Brazil or on about the same level, and they were robbed at daylight.
    In 94 too, there was the Tasotti incident, they were more or less equal
    to Italy who then went on to lose a shootout against Brazil in the
    final.
    IMO they're a dominant team since at least 94. Of course, not like they
    are now, at this moment they're undoubtedly a level above anybody else.
    And there's also the video ref, that IMO is very well suited for their offensive, controlling style of play. They had their share of ref
    decisions against them this time too, but fewer than before.
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