Elizabeth it is in vain you say
"Love not" rCo thou sayest it in so sweet a way:
In vain those words from thee or L. E. L.
Zantippe's talents had enforced so well:
Ah! if that language from thy heart arise,
Breathe it less gently forth rCo and veil thine eyes.
Endymion, recollect, when Luna tried
To cure his love rCo was cured of all beside rCo
His folly rCo pride rCo and passion rCo for he died.
Haec immatura a me iam frustra leguntur o.y.Which has the anagram
Cynthiae figuras aemulatur mater amorum
I am now bringing these unripe things together in vain, Oy!
The mother of love [Venus] copies the forms of Cynthia [the Moon]."
noW is The TimE foR alL goOd mEn tO coMe tO thE aiD of TheIr pArtY.The "secret message" is WTTERLOEOMOEDTIAY -- gibberish, because there
Isn't our beauty most plain to see?Hints:
Ah, we can rejoice much in a nest. -- Aprl 3rd.
Here's an example I constructed just now. Can anyone find the secretYou'll want to guess the skip parameters. They're hinted in the plaintext.
message embedded with a skip cipher?
Isn't our beauty most plain to see?
Ah, we can rejoice much in a nest. -- Aprl 3rd.
Hints:
(1) Delete all spaces and punctuation before solving.
(2) This is a 2-period skip cipher (not 3-period like "3-4-7").
James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
My previous post was so long-winded perhaps nobody noticed the puzzle presented for solution!
Recall that in a "3-4-7" skip cipher, the secret message is extracted
by taking the letters at positions
3, 3+4, 3+4+7, 3+4+7+3, 3+4+7+3+4, 3+4+7+3+4+7, ...
in the plain text.
Here's an example I constructed just now. Can anyone find the secret
message embedded with a skip cipher?
Isn't our beauty most plain to see?
Ah, we can rejoice much in a nest. -- Aprl 3rd.
Hints:You'll want to guess the skip parameters. They're hinted in the plaintext.
(1) Delete all spaces and punctuation before solving.
(2) This is a 2-period skip cipher (not 3-period like "3-4-7").
This puzzle was intended as a prelude to an interesting and "important" historical puzzle, for which one clue is a document which allegedly
contains embedded messages in skip cipher. But I won't bother further
if there's no interest in this "warm-up" exercise.
On 03/03/2026 07:52, James Dow Allen wrote:
James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Here's an example I constructed just now. Can anyone find the secret
message embedded with a skip cipher?
Isn't our beauty most plain to see?
Ah, we can rejoice much in a nest. -- Aprl 3rd.
Hints:You'll want to guess the skip parameters. They're hinted in the plaintext.
(1) Delete all spaces and punctuation before solving.
(2) This is a 2-period skip cipher (not 3-period like "3-4-7").
This puzzle was intended as a prelude to an interesting and "important" historical puzzle, for which one clue is a document which allegedly contains embedded messages in skip cipher. But I won't bother further
if there's no interest in this "warm-up" exercise.
Yes, he is.
But G
Some months ago I posted spoilers in this newsgroup using a Skip Cipher:
The message comprised the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th (etc.) letters of the >plain-text. For example
noW is The TimE foR alL goOd mEn tO coMe tO thE aiD of TheIr pArtY.The "secret message" is WTTERLOEOMOEDTIAY -- gibberish, because there
was no secret message. It takes time and effort to devise an encryption >where the plaintext actually looks like an "innocent letter."
I am sure you have come across something similar, but with skipped
lines. The one I saw circulated quite a bit about 30 years back. It is
a recommendation letter written by a prof for one of his students
and read as it is, is full of praise, lauding the student for many
things. But if you skip the even numbered lines the message is
just the opposite!
That version is pure linguistic origami, folding praise into poison. EfoYEfuiN+A
There are many variations floating around, often treated as office folklore or a party trick for English majors. ItrCOs less a historical document than
a genre of mischievous composition.
If yourCOd like, I can construct an especially baroque one on a topic
of your choosing, complete with verbal trapdoors.
Yes, please do so. Make it a "recommendation" for President of the u.S.A.
To the Members of the Electoral College:
I write in enthusiastic support of this candidate for President of the United States.
It would be difficult to overstate my reservations about his fitness for executive office.
He possesses a tireless energy and an unmistakable talent for commanding attention.
His understanding of constitutional limits is, at best, interpretive performance art.
He speaks with conviction about national renewal and shared prosperity. Precision and accuracy do not detain him for long.
He inspires fierce loyalty among supporters across the country.
He has shown a remarkable ability to divide a room in under thirty seconds. He approaches complex problems with boldness and creativity.
Details, however, often approach him alone and unescorted.
He assures us that he values transparency and accountability.
Experience suggests those values are most visible in others.
He promises to surround himself with the finest people available.
Turnover may ensure we meet them all, briefly.
He maintains that he listens carefully to expert counsel.
Whether counsel survives the listening is another matter.
He insists that history will remember his leadership fondly.
History has a longer memory than campaign season.
For these reasons, I offer my strongest recommendation.
Respectfully submitted.
Politics is a hall of mirrors. Sometimes the reflection depends
on which pane you look through.
You repeat "You can download this and aggregate by year and maturity bucket." I thought this was the sort of task that YOU were good at!
Fair rebuke taken. You are right. This is exactly the sort of bean-counting
I should do for you, not gesture toward like a librarian pointing
vaguely at a dusty shelf. LetrCOs put numbers on the table. Efo<EfoL
Charlie Roberts <croberts@gmail.com> posted:
I am sure you have come across something similar, but with skipped
lines. The one I saw circulated quite a bit about 30 years back. It is
a recommendation letter written by a prof for one of his students
and read as it is, is full of praise, lauding the student for many
things. But if you skip the even numbered lines the message is
just the opposite!
I often let ChatGPT do the work for me. Sometimes it succeeds;
often it fails miserably. In this task it failed miserably. Each 2nd
line must be ambiguous, flipping meaning depending on the preceding line.
It seems ChatGPT was totally unable to do that. It closed its initial >mediocre response with
That version is pure linguistic origami, folding praise into poison. ???
There are many variations floating around, often treated as office folklore >> or a party trick for English majors. ItAs less a historical document than
a genre of mischievous composition.
If youAd like, I can construct an especially baroque one on a topic
of your choosing, complete with verbal trapdoors.
I replied
Yes, please do so. Make it a "recommendation" for President of the u.S.A.
Here is ChatGPT's "original" composition:
To the Members of the Electoral College:
I write in enthusiastic support of this candidate for President of the United States.
It would be difficult to overstate my reservations about his fitness for executive office.
He possesses a tireless energy and an unmistakable talent for commanding attention.
...[snipped for brevity]
For these reasons, I offer my strongest recommendation.
Respectfully submitted.
The even-numbered lines remained derogatory with or without the
odd-line antecedent.
....
Slightly similar to the recommendation letters Charlie Roberts writes
about are *palindromic poems*. IIRC I was first introduced to these
several decades ago in this very newsgroup.
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 05:15:09 GMT, James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Charlie Roberts <croberts@gmail.com> posted:
I am sure you have come across something similar, but with skipped
lines. The one I saw circulated quite a bit about 30 years back. It is
a recommendation letter written by a prof for one of his students
and read as it is, is full of praise, lauding the student for many
things. But if you skip the even numbered lines the message is
just the opposite!
I often let ChatGPT do the work for me. Sometimes it succeeds;
often it fails miserably. In this task it failed miserably.
Slightly similar to the recommendation letters Charlie Roberts writes
about are *palindromic poems*. IIRC I was first introduced to these >several decades ago in this very newsgroup.
On 03/03/2026 07:52, James Dow Allen wrote:
James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Here's an example I constructed just now. Can anyone find the secret
message embedded with a skip cipher?
Isn't our beauty most plain to see?
Ah, we can rejoice much in a nest. -- Aprl 3rd.
Hints:You'll want to guess the skip parameters. They're hinted in the plaintext.
(1) Delete all spaces and punctuation before solving.
(2) This is a 2-period skip cipher (not 3-period like "3-4-7").
This puzzle was intended as a prelude to an interesting and "important" historical puzzle, for which one clue is a document which allegedly contains embedded messages in skip cipher. But I won't bother further
if there's no interest in this "warm-up" exercise.
Yes, he is.
Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> posted:
On 03/03/2026 07:52, James Dow Allen wrote:
James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Here's an example I constructed just now. Can anyone find the secretYou'll want to guess the skip parameters. They're hinted in the plaintext. >>>
message embedded with a skip cipher?
Isn't our beauty most plain to see?
Ah, we can rejoice much in a nest. -- Aprl 3rd.
Hints:
(1) Delete all spaces and punctuation before solving.
(2) This is a 2-period skip cipher (not 3-period like "3-4-7").
This puzzle was intended as a prelude to an interesting and "important"
historical puzzle, for which one clue is a document which allegedly
contains embedded messages in skip cipher. But I won't bother further
if there's no interest in this "warm-up" exercise.
Yes, he is.
Thanks again, Richard! I am disappointed that only you took the time to solve this simple 2-period skip cipher.
I think it's pointless for me to
pursue my intended project: Presenting the alleged skip ciphers in a
famous document and asking if there are real hidden messages, or just coincidences.
sci.crypt is still an active group; perhaps it would be a better venue.
But I am a stranger there and shy: I've felt more welcome in R.p where
I first posted about 40 years ago.
Here's an example of a skip cipher I constructed just now.
Anyone want to try it?
James devised:
Isn't our beauty most plain to see?Hints:
Ah, we can rejoice much in a nest. -- Aprl 3rd.
(1) Delete all spaces and punctuation before solving
(2) This is a 2-period skip cipher (not 3-period like "3-4-7").
... skip ciphers may be used playfully. The writer HOPES that a
select few will get the secret message, but will keep it secret.
The dedication page of that book is shown as
an image at https://james.fabpedigree.com/pics/tto1.jpg
and here it is as text:
TO.THE.ONLIE.BEGETTER.OF.
THESE.INSVING.SONNETS.
Mr.W.H.ALL.HAPPINESSE.
AND.THAT.ETERNITIE.
PROMISED.
BY.
OVR.EVER-LIVING.POET.
WISHETH.
THE.WELL-WISHING.
ADVENTVRER.IN.
SETTING.
FORTH.
T.T.
(As I view this in the newsgrouper editor, the 12 lines of the dedication appear center-aligned. Let me know how it renders in your environments.)
if we ignore ALL alleged skip ciphers and
ignore ALL alleged anagrams and ignore ALL cryptic hints from contemporaneous
documents, the evidence would STILL point very strongly to Edward de Vere being
the author of Shakespeare's works.
But it is still interesting to guess whether the alleged skip ciphers
and anagrams are deliberate, or just arise by chance. Littlewood's Law
is good to keep in mind:
* A person will encounter a million-to-one coincidence about once a year.
* A person will encounter a billion-to-one coincidence about once a lifetime. * A person will encounter a thousand-to-one coincidence about once an hour.
* A person will encounter a million-to-one coincidence about once a MONTH.
TO.THE.ONLiE.BEGETTER.OF.
THESE.INSVING.SONNETS.
Mr.W.H.ALL.HAPPINESSE.
AND.THAT.ETERNITIE.
PROMISED.
BY.
OVR.EVER-LIVING.POET.
WISHETH.
THE.WELL-WISHING.
ADVENTVRER.IN.
SETTING.
FORTH.
T.T.
There are several oddities about this text, which allegedly contains
THREE (3) separate skip-ciphers! In the (unlikely?) event that there really are three distinct skip ciphers operating in this text, we should offer kudos to the composer!
The spelling of "only" and"onlie"
is one oddity. That word occurs 5 times in the Sonnets, twice spelled "only",
thrice "onely" and NEVER as "onlie." ("Onelie" was also a common spelling supposedly 400+ years ago when this dedication was written.
The dots after every word, perhaps to remove ambiguity if we're skipping words instead of letters in the cipher, are also an oddity. In the image URL above you can change the '1' to '2' or '3' to see other dedications by
T.T. to see that these oddities are atypical for him.
(Hint: The periods are clearly implied by the actual poet's name!!)
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