• Went retro for a bit ...

    From Geoff@geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org to rec.photo.digital on Sun Apr 19 13:21:55 2026
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    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for US$143 on
    Ebay.
    --
    geoff

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  • From David Taylor@david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid to rec.photo.digital on Sun Apr 19 06:23:17 2026
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    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for US$143 on Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!
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    David
    Web: https://www.satsignal.eu
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to rec.photo.digital on Sun Apr 19 09:34:24 2026
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    On 19/04/2026 06:23, David Taylor wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for US$143 on
    Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!



    if only I knew the difference between "micro", "macro" and "marco"
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  • From Bill W@nothing@nowhere.com to rec.photo.digital on Sun Apr 19 11:32:16 2026
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    On Apr 19, 2026, Abandoned Trolley wrote
    (in article <10s242f$3rba6$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 19/04/2026 06:23, David Taylor wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for US$143 on Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!

    if only I knew the difference between "micro", "macro" and "marcorCY
    Wondering that myself...

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  • From Geoff@geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org to rec.photo.digital on Mon Apr 20 10:25:43 2026
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    On 19/04/2026 8:34 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 06:23, David Taylor wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for US$143 on >>> Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!



    if only I knew the difference between "micro", "macro" and "marco"

    'Macro' is the term for extreme close-up photography. It is also a term
    used in computing, for a commonly repeated series of commands.

    'Micro' is the naming convention Nikon use to label their macro lenses.
    It is also a prefix to indicate smallness.

    'Marco' is the Italian,Spanish, and Portuguese equivalent of the English
    name Mark. A famous Marco was a Venetian sailing explorer, and another
    is a Trump sycophant.
    --
    geoff
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to rec.photo.digital on Mon Apr 20 09:23:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.photo.digital

    On 19/04/2026 23:25, Geoff wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 8:34 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 06:23, David Taylor wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for
    US$143 on
    Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!



    if only I knew the difference between "micro", "macro" and "marco"

    'Macro' is the term for extreme close-up photography. It is also a term
    used in computing, for a commonly repeated series of commands.

    'Micro' is the naming convention Nikon use to label their macro lenses.
    It is also a prefix to indicate smallness.

    'Marco' is the Italian,Spanish, and Portuguese equivalent of the English name Mark. A famous Marco was a Venetian sailing explorer, and another
    is a Trump sycophant.



    Thanks


    I already knew what macrophotography is


    And I know that the lens you bought is NOT a macro lens
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  • From Geoff@geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org to rec.photo.digital on Fri Apr 24 12:33:18 2026
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    On 20/04/2026 8:23 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 23:25, Geoff wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 8:34 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 06:23, David Taylor wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for
    US$143 on
    Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!



    if only I knew the difference between "micro", "macro" and "marco"

    'Macro' is the term for extreme close-up photography. It is also a
    term used in computing, for a commonly repeated series of commands.

    'Micro' is the naming convention Nikon use to label their macro
    lenses. It is also a prefix to indicate smallness.

    'Marco' is the Italian,Spanish, and Portuguese equivalent of the
    English name Mark. A famous Marco was a Venetian sailing explorer, and
    another is a Trump sycophant.



    Thanks


    I already knew what macrophotography is


    And I know that the lens you bought is NOT a macro lens

    Really - I've been ripped off ! And everybody else seems to have been
    misled all these years.

    https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/200mm-f4-micro-ais.htm
    --
    geoff
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to rec.photo.digital on Fri Apr 24 10:23:57 2026
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    On 24/04/2026 01:33, Geoff wrote:
    On 20/04/2026 8:23 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 23:25, Geoff wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 8:34 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 06:23, David Taylor wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for
    US$143 on
    Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!



    if only I knew the difference between "micro", "macro" and "marco"

    'Macro' is the term for extreme close-up photography. It is also a
    term used in computing, for a commonly repeated series of commands.

    'Micro' is the naming convention Nikon use to label their macro
    lenses. It is also a prefix to indicate smallness.

    'Marco' is the Italian,Spanish, and Portuguese equivalent of the
    English name Mark. A famous Marco was a Venetian sailing explorer,
    and another is a Trump sycophant.



    Thanks


    I already knew what macrophotography is


    And I know that the lens you bought is NOT a macro lens

    Really - I've been ripped off ! And everybody else seems to have been
    misled all these years.

    https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/200mm-f4-micro-ais.htm



    scroll down to the bit that says "Maximum Reproduction Ratio" - which is quoted as 1:2


    that means that if the image on the film was twice as large, then it
    would be a macro lens


    While you are there, if you <CTRL F> and search for the word "macro" on
    the whole page you will find that it occurs 3 times - none of them in connection with this lens


    also, the bit that says "Close Focus = 2.34 feet - 0.71 meters" is a bit
    of a clue



    The lens is not described as a macro, not labelled as a macro and was
    not sold as a macro - so who is being misled ?




    Extract from chatgpt :

    ******************************************************

    what is the definition of macrophotography for film cameras ?



    Macro photography (sometimes called macrophotography) refers to
    photographing very small subjects so they appear life-size or larger on
    the film.

    For film cameras specifically, the definition is tied to something
    called the reproduction ratio (or magnification ratio):

    1:1 magnification (true macro): The subject is recorded on the film at
    its actual size
    Greater than 1:1: The subject appears larger on the film than in real life Below 1:1 (e.g., 1:2): Often called close-up photography, not true macro


    ******************************************************

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  • From Geoff@geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org to rec.photo.digital on Sat Apr 25 18:28:04 2026
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    On 24/04/2026 9:23 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 24/04/2026 01:33, Geoff wrote:
    On 20/04/2026 8:23 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 23:25, Geoff wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 8:34 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 06:23, David Taylor wrote:
    On 19/04/2026 02:21, Geoff wrote:
    Just picked up a 200mm f4 Ai-S manual focus Micro Nikkor - for
    US$143 on
    Ebay.

    Marco can be fun, especially with that focal length!



    if only I knew the difference between "micro", "macro" and "marco"

    'Macro' is the term for extreme close-up photography. It is also a
    term used in computing, for a commonly repeated series of commands.

    'Micro' is the naming convention Nikon use to label their macro
    lenses. It is also a prefix to indicate smallness.

    'Marco' is the Italian,Spanish, and Portuguese equivalent of the
    English name Mark. A famous Marco was a Venetian sailing explorer,
    and another is a Trump sycophant.



    Thanks


    I already knew what macrophotography is


    And I know that the lens you bought is NOT a macro lens

    Really - I've been ripped off ! And everybody else seems to have been
    misled all these years.

    https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/200mm-f4-micro-ais.htm



    scroll down to the bit that says "Maximum Reproduction Ratio" - which is quoted as 1:2


    that means that if the image on the film was twice as large, then it
    would be a macro lens


    While you are there, if you <CTRL F> and search for the word "macro" on
    the whole page you will find that it occurs 3 times - none of them in connection with this lens


    also, the bit that says "Close Focus = 2.34 feet - 0.71 meters" is a bit
    of a clue



    The lens is not described as a macro, not labelled as a macro and was
    not sold as a macro - so who is being misled ?




    Extract from chatgpt-a-a :

    ******************************************************

    what is the definition of macrophotography for film cameras ?



    Macro photography (sometimes called macrophotography) refers to photographing very small subjects so they appear life-size or larger on
    the film.

    For film cameras specifically, the definition is tied to something
    called the reproduction ratio (or magnification ratio):

    1:1 magnification (true macro): The subject is recorded on the film at
    its actual size
    Greater than 1:1: The subject appears larger on the film than in real life Below 1:1 (e.g., 1:2): Often called close-up photography, not true macro


    ******************************************************


    If you believe that 'macro' has to be 1:1, then 'as you like'.

    Reading the Rockwell page I see, specifically in relation to this lens:

    "Superb as a low-cost FX macro lens, too."

    "Not the best lens for macro product shots due to lateral color fringing
    at close distances. The current 200mm f/4 AF-D is far superior, and
    oddly, this AI-s lens has no problems at normal non-macro distances"

    "It's a great lens for anything, however if you're shooting products
    with black-and-white graphics in the closest macro range and looking
    closely, you'll see some red-blue color fringing on sharp outlines at
    the sides."
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    geoff
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to rec.photo.digital on Sat Apr 25 08:14:56 2026
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    If you believe that 'macro' has to be 1:1, then 'as you like'.

    Reading the Rockwell page I see, specifically in relation to this lens:

    "Superb as a low-cost FX macro lens, too."

    "Not the best lens for macro product shots due to lateral color fringing
    at close distances. The current 200mm f/4 AF-D is far superior, and
    oddly, this AI-s lens has no problems at normal non-macro distances"

    "It's a great lens for anything, however if you're shooting products
    with black-and-white graphics in the closest macro range and looking closely, you'll see some red-blue color fringing on sharp outlines at
    the sides."




    I dont think its "as I like"

    It would appear to be as everybody except you likes - including Nikon,
    who never marketed it as a macro lens



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  • From Geoff@geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org to rec.photo.digital on Mon Apr 27 11:06:16 2026
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    On 25/04/2026 7:14 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:


    If you believe that 'macro' has to be 1:1, then 'as you like'.

    Reading the Rockwell page I see, specifically in relation to this lens:

    "Superb as a low-cost FX macro lens, too."

    "Not the best lens for macro product shots due to lateral color
    fringing at close distances. The current 200mm f/4 AF-D is far
    superior, and oddly, this AI-s lens has no problems at normal non-
    macro distances"

    "It's a great lens for anything, however if you're shooting products
    with black-and-white graphics in the closest macro range and looking
    closely, you'll see some red-blue color fringing on sharp outlines at
    the sides."




    I dont think its "as I like"

    It would appear to be as everybody except you likes - including Nikon,
    who never marketed it as a macro lens




    Well, me and Ken Rockwell it seems. Whatever.

    Piss on my parade as much as you like, but I can get reasonable quality
    and size close-focussed shots from a greater distance than with my 105.
    --
    geoff
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  • From David Taylor@david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid to rec.photo.digital on Mon Apr 27 07:52:09 2026
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    On 27/04/2026 00:06, Geoff wrote:
    Piss on my parade as much as you like, but I can get reasonable quality
    and size close-focussed shots from a greater distance than with my 105.

    ... and that's just where the benefit of that lens lies, as I hinted earlier.

    Cheers,
    Davif
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    David
    Web: https://www.satsignal.eu
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to rec.photo.digital on Mon Apr 27 08:26:13 2026
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    Well, me and Ken Rockwell it seems. Whatever.

    Piss on my parade as much as you like, but I can get reasonable quality
    and size close-focussed shots from a greater distance than with my 105.



    I didnt realise there was a parade to piss on

    (I probably could have found a set of extension tubes for less)
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