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Time to celebrate & enjoy 'grandeur'.
So glad I have this set!

Georg Friedrich H|nndel
Concerti Grossi op.6
Berliner Philharmoniker
Herbert von Karajan
DGG 435 041-2
recorded 1967-1969
--
Roland van Gaalen
The Netherlands
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A great Karajan set is a box with 9 discs on Decca with his Decca
recordings for orchestra with the VPO (there is also a larger box which includes his opera recordings for Decca).

There are at least 2 versions, available on amazon.de: https://www.amazon.de/-/nl/dp/B000025WIP/ https://www.amazon.de/-/nl/dp/B00114LF4E/
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That very late Bruckner 7, Mahler 9 and the Sibelius 4.

But frankly I haven't heard HvK for a very long time.
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 11:11:40 +0000, Herman wrote:

That very late Bruckner 7, Mahler 9 and the Sibelius 4.

Sibelius 4 is arguably HvK's finest performance.

The other two are completely unnecessary and not
worth a split second listening to.

It is good to hear that Herman still has one half
of a functioning ear after listening to all the
Hamas propaganda.

Cheers!
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Georg Friedrich H|nndel
Concerti Grossi op.6

PS: I just checked the Google archive of this newsgroup (see below).

I guess I have changed my mind about the Karajan recordings.

Part of the explanation may be that I have a much larger and nicer, and
more comfortable, living room now.

The sound of the Berlin Philharmonic feels better here!
--
Roland van Gaalen
The Netherlands
----------------------------
In 1997 I wrote:

<< From time to time I listen to Karajan's recording of Handel's
Concerti Grossi Opus 6 (Berlin Philh/ DG 435 041-2; recorded in
1967/8/9). It seems to me that Karajan's Handel is a caricature
[spelling corrected]: not at all light or elegant, not particularly
romantic either, but rather massive
(as is to be expected from Karajan's Berlin Philharmonic) in a
sentimental way--especially the unbearable yet beautiful string solo
playing. Some may call it "campy."

But I can't say that I dislike the set enough not to listen to it
fairly often or to get rid of it.>>

In 2000, in a thread about 'forgotton conductors':

<< Herbert von Karajan. He's not quite forgotten, though, and, as a
matter of fact, he did make it to CD. I have his Handel concerti grossi
on cd.>>

And in 2001:

<< This is vintage Karajan, that is, 1960s camp mocking the "grand old-fashioned style"; the famous Handelian splendor is missing
completely. [...] >>
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Thanks to all for Karajan recommendations so far.

Meanwhile, I have ordered the CD recordings of Handel's Concerti Grossi
op.6 by Il Giardino Armonico.
--
Roland van Gaalen
The Netherlands
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"Thanks to all for Karajan recommendations so far."

Alas, I have to confess I listened to the first mvt of Karajan's last
recording with the Wieners Ph. and it sounds very very tired. More so
than Haitink with the Radio Phil in the same piece in another last
performance.

So no recommendation.
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 15:52:35 +0000, Herman wrote:

"Thanks to all for Karajan recommendations so far."

Alas, I have to confess I listened to the first mvt of Karajan's last recording with the Wieners Ph. and it sounds very very tired. More so
than Haitink with the Radio Phil in the same piece in another last performance.

So no recommendation.

Do you mean his last recording of Bruckner 7?
It gets a strong recommendation from me. Next to several recordings by
Haitink.

BTW Can we stop crossposting?
I reply on rec.music.classical, using novabbs.com
I would like to post more replies, but not so when they also appear on
RMCR.
novabbs.com does not give me that option when people are crossposting.
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Op 2024-07-08 om 12:27 schreef Roland van Gaalen:

Time to celebrate & enjoy 'grandeur'.
So glad I have this set!

Georg Friedrich H|nndel
Concerti Grossi op.6
Berliner Philharmoniker
Herbert von Karajan
DGG 435 041-2
recorded 1967-1969
--
Roland van Gaalen
The Netherlands

OTTOMH a few more Karajan recommendations:

- Nielsen symphony 4
- Prokofiev: symphony 5
- Shostakovich: symphony 10 (2 recordings)
- Honegger: symphony 2 and 3
- a lot of "smaller" works like opera intermezzi, ouvertures by Supp|-,
works by Johann Strauss jr
- also works by Richard Strauss
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On 7/8/2024 11:23 AM, Roland van Gaalen wrote:

I guess I have changed my mind about the Karajan recordings.

Part of the explanation may be that I have a much larger and nicer, and
more comfortable, living room now.

The sound of the Berlin Philharmonic feels better here!

As long as they were recorded in the Jesus-Christus-Kirche, not the Philharmonie!

More generally on Fluffy, Karajan's critical appreciation is bound to be subject to a cyclical history of corsi e ricorsi (pace Giambattista
Vico), with cycles of starry-eyed enthusiasm followed by counter-cycles
of blunt dismissal and back and forth. Something in between, Karajan was exceedingly good as an opera conductor, especially (but not exclusively)
in the first half of his career. Things like the 1953 H|nnsel und Gretel;
the 1954 Ariadne auf Naxos; the 1955 Berlin Lucia di Lammermoor and the
1956 Trovatore with the best Callas on record; why not, the 1956 Rosenkavalier; hell yes, the 1963 Vienna Carmen; the 1965 La Scala Cav
and Pag; the 1972 Boheme which obliterates all other Bohemes on record, starting from Beecham; and the 1979 Parsifal that on net supersedes even Knappertsbusch at his best. In the symphonic repertoire the 1964-67
Sibelius is the unsurpassed peak, possibly matched by the 1969 Honegger. Everything else I am afraid is subject to corsi e ricorsi...

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On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 23:09:34 +0000, PPeso wrote:

More generally on Fluffy, Karajan's critical
appreciation is bound to be subject to a cyclical
history of corsi e ricorsi (pace Giambattista Vico),
with cycles of starry-eyed enthusiasm followed by
counter-cycles of blunt dismissal and back and forth.

No "corsi e ricorsi" for me. Kharajan never made
music, except for Strauss and Sibelius.

Something in between,

Between sleaze and slime.

Karajan was exceedingly good as an opera conductor,

Who cares about opera? Who has time to listen to
operas?

Ciao!
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 23:31:08 +0000, DeepBlue wrote:

On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 23:09:34 +0000, PPeso wrote:

More generally on Fluffy, Karajan's critical
appreciation is bound to be subject to a cyclical
history of corsi e ricorsi (pace Giambattista Vico),
with cycles of starry-eyed enthusiasm followed by
counter-cycles of blunt dismissal and back and forth.

No "corsi e ricorsi" for me. Kharajan never made
music, except for Strauss and Sibelius.

And Honegger as you mention. Except for
the fact the jury is still out deciding
if Honegger is even music.

Ciao!
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