• John On Glyn Johns' Vs. Phi Spector's LiB Mixes

    From nyarlathotep1@nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com (Norbert) to rec.music.beatles on Sun Jun 1 17:33:41 2025
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    The original LiB mixes were undertaken by the great Glyn Johns. Lennon insisted on giving these recordings to the deranged Phil Spector, who
    added all sorts of overdubs.

    Asked to comment on Spector's work on Let It Be, Lennon said: "He was
    given the shittiest load of badly recorded shit -- and with a lousy
    feeling to it -- ever. And he made something out of it. It wasn't
    fantastic, but when I heard it, I didn't puke."

    Several years later, during Lennon's time with May Pang, Mick Jagger and
    Glyn Johns visited the couple. Johns was aloof. Jagger told Lennon
    that there was something he and Glyn needed to discuss. Glyn reminded
    Lennon of his comments about the original Lib recordings. John
    responded: "Forget about it, Glyn. I was just stoned an lettin' off
    steam."

    Over the years, Glyn various colorful metaphors to describe what he felt Spector had done to his mixes, such as "He vomited all over them.
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  • From Nil@rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid to rec.music.beatles on Mon Jun 2 00:27:28 2025
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    On 01 Jun 2025, nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com (Norbert) wrote in
    rec.music.beatles:

    The original LiB mixes were undertaken by the great Glyn Johns.
    Lennon insisted on giving these recordings to the deranged Phil
    Spector, who added all sorts of overdubs.

    Asked to comment on Spector's work on Let It Be, Lennon said: "He
    was given the shittiest load of badly recorded shit -- and with a
    lousy feeling to it -- ever. And he made something out of it. It
    wasn't fantastic, but when I heard it, I didn't puke."

    Several years later, during Lennon's time with May Pang, Mick
    Jagger and Glyn Johns visited the couple. Johns was aloof.
    Jagger told Lennon that there was something he and Glyn needed to
    discuss. Glyn reminded Lennon of his comments about the original
    Lib recordings. John responded: "Forget about it, Glyn. I was
    just stoned an lettin' off steam."

    Over the years, Glyn various colorful metaphors to describe what
    he felt Spector had done to his mixes, such as "He vomited all
    over them.

    I think the Glyn Johns versions of the album are terrible. Careless and
    poorly thought out. I can only hope that they were quickly done rough
    drafts. If released in that state it would have been a blight on The
    Beatle's career.

    Spector's orchestrations are overblown at some but not all times, and
    they are often tasteful and musical. I agree with John - the resultant
    album is very listenable and I still enjoy it a lot.
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  • From super70s@super70s@super70s.invalid to rec.music.beatles on Mon Jun 2 15:48:13 2025
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    On 2025-06-02 04:27:28 +0000, Nil said:

    On 01 Jun 2025, nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com (Norbert) wrote in rec.music.beatles:

    The original LiB mixes were undertaken by the great Glyn Johns.
    Lennon insisted on giving these recordings to the deranged Phil
    Spector, who added all sorts of overdubs.

    Asked to comment on Spector's work on Let It Be, Lennon said: "He
    was given the shittiest load of badly recorded shit -- and with a
    lousy feeling to it -- ever. And he made something out of it. It
    wasn't fantastic, but when I heard it, I didn't puke."

    Several years later, during Lennon's time with May Pang, Mick
    Jagger and Glyn Johns visited the couple. Johns was aloof.
    Jagger told Lennon that there was something he and Glyn needed to
    discuss. Glyn reminded Lennon of his comments about the original
    Lib recordings. John responded: "Forget about it, Glyn. I was
    just stoned an lettin' off steam."

    Over the years, Glyn various colorful metaphors to describe what
    he felt Spector had done to his mixes, such as "He vomited all
    over them.

    I think the Glyn Johns versions of the album are terrible. Careless and poorly thought out. I can only hope that they were quickly done rough
    drafts. If released in that state it would have been a blight on The
    Beatle's career.

    Spector's orchestrations are overblown at some but not all times, and
    they are often tasteful and musical. I agree with John - the resultant
    album is very listenable and I still enjoy it a lot.

    I just think the original LIB -- whether you think it's good, mediocre
    or bad -- is part of Beatles lore. I didn't even bother to buy the
    "Naked" album (and I have some of post-breakup releases like the
    Anthology and Beatles at the Beeb).

    Spector has said he could care less about what McCartney and all its
    other detractors have said about it, and that no doubt goes for Lennon
    and Johns too.

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  • From Geoff@geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org to rec.music.beatles on Tue Jun 3 21:59:15 2025
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    On 3/06/2025 8:48 am, super70s wrote:
    On 2025-06-02 04:27:28 +0000, Nil said:

    On 01 Jun 2025, nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com (Norbert) wrote in
    rec.music.beatles:

    The original LiB mixes were undertaken by the great Glyn Johns.
    Lennon insisted on giving these recordings to the deranged Phil
    Spector, who added all sorts of overdubs.

    Asked to comment on Spector's work on Let It Be, Lennon said:-a "He
    was given the shittiest load of badly recorded shit -- and with a
    lousy feeling to it -- ever.-a And he made something out of it.-a It
    wasn't fantastic, but when I heard it, I didn't puke."

    Several years later, during Lennon's time with May Pang, Mick
    Jagger and Glyn Johns visited the couple.-a Johns was aloof.
    Jagger told Lennon that there was something he and Glyn needed to
    discuss.-a Glyn reminded Lennon of his comments about the original
    Lib recordings.-a John responded:-a "Forget about it, Glyn.-a I was
    just stoned an lettin' off steam."

    Over the years, Glyn various colorful metaphors to describe what
    he felt Spector had done to his mixes, such as "He vomited all
    over them.

    I think the Glyn Johns versions of the album are terrible. Careless and
    poorly thought out. I can only hope that they were quickly done rough
    drafts. If released in that state it would have been a blight on The
    Beatle's career.

    Spector's orchestrations are overblown at some but not all times, and
    they are often tasteful and musical. I agree with John - the resultant
    album is very listenable and I still enjoy it a lot.

    I just think the original LIB -- whether you think it's good, mediocre
    or bad -- is part of Beatles lore. I didn't even bother to buy the
    "Naked" album (and I have some of post-breakup releases like the
    Anthology and Beatles at the Beeb).

    Spector has said he could care less about what McCartney and all its
    other detractors have said about it, and that no doubt goes for Lennon
    and Johns too.


    Love the original. Yes, a bit flowery.

    Love 'Naked' too. Well worth a listen.
    --
    geoff
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  • From nyarlathotep1@nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com (Norbert) to rec.music.beatles on Tue Jun 3 10:01:25 2025
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    Johns once said something to the effect that he strove to convey to the
    lister what it was like to be in the room with the band. While the
    versions of the songs he mixed aren't all good, I suspect they are fair representations of how the band were on those occasions.

    Spector's approach, to my mind, consisted in slathering the band's
    performances in goop.

    There are interviews with McCartney going way back in which he expressed
    the wish to release the original (Johns) recordings. He said that,
    while they would have sounded raw at the time of the original release,
    they'd be hip by contemporary standards. He eventually hit on LiB
    Naked, of course -- still a reaction against the Spectorized versions.
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  • From super70s@super70s@super70s.invalid to rec.music.beatles on Tue Jun 3 11:22:44 2025
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    On 2025-06-03 10:01:25 +0000, Norbert said:

    Johns once said something to the effect that he strove to convey to the lister what it was like to be in the room with the band. While the
    versions of the songs he mixed aren't all good, I suspect they are fair representations of how the band were on those occasions.

    Spector's approach, to my mind, consisted in slathering the band's performances in goop.

    There are interviews with McCartney going way back in which he expressed
    the wish to release the original (Johns) recordings. He said that,
    while they would have sounded raw at the time of the original release,
    they'd be hip by contemporary standards. He eventually hit on LiB
    Naked, of course -- still a reaction against the Spectorized versions.

    On some of the songs ("Two of Us," "One After 909," "I've Got a
    Feeling") it's hard to get any "rawer" than what was originally
    released. Unless you want to get rid of Billy Preston's keyboards.

    I think Paul's knickers got in a twist mostly over "The Long and
    Winding Road," which he considered one of his masterpieces and didn't
    want it messed with.

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  • From nyarlathotep1@nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com (Norbert) to rec.music.beatles on Tue Jun 3 16:31:07 2025
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    Could be. What Spector did to "Winding Road" is heinous.
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  • From Geoff@geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org to rec.music.beatles on Wed Jun 4 11:33:55 2025
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    On 4/06/2025 4:31 am, Norbert wrote:
    Could be.-a What Spector did to "Winding Road" is heinous.

    I think 'syrupy' is a good description.
    --
    geoff
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  • From Nil@rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid to rec.music.beatles on Mon Jun 9 17:08:55 2025
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    On 03 Jun 2025, Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote in
    rec.music.beatles:

    Love the original. Yes, a bit flowery.

    Love 'Naked' too. Well worth a listen.

    I love the original, even with the flowers.

    For me, "Naked" has no real advantage to me over the original. Some of
    the new mixes may be marginally "better" than the originals, but the
    vibe and atmosphere are missing.

    I like Giles Martin's 2021 remix best. It sounds true to the original
    release, just a little bit cleaner. The orchestral overdubs are still
    there but they're better balanced and less overbearing. I have problems
    with some of Giles' other remixes, but I think he got it right on this
    one.
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