• [NBC Miami] 36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games

    From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.dnd on Thu Apr 25 19:49:02 2024
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    tl;dr: wanna live of dnd? her husband makes 90.000$ a year. In other
    words: marry rich

    I feel like this is a pretty poor example of money management. The whole spouse with a hobby job thing has been going on for a long time, and millennials are hardly the only ones that have been doing that.
    I do find it interesting how the game is explained in the article though.

    Source: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/

    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If rCyyou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC

    This story is part of CNBC Make It's Millennial Money series, which
    details how people around the world earn, spend and save their money.

    People are surprised to learn that Mari Murdock, 36, is a professional
    game master, a role in which she organizes and narrates tabletop
    roleplaying games like Dungeons & Dragons.

    "A lot of people don't see things like hobbies or artistic endeavors as something that could generally make them money," she tells CNBC Make It.

    Admittedly, she didn't expect running D&D games to turn into a paying
    gig, either rCo at least at first: "It was just a hobby I did with my
    friends in college."

    Dungeons & Dragons is an open-ended tabletop game in which the narrative
    is shaped by the players' choices, whether that's through combat,
    puzzles or negotiation. A GM is the world-builder and narrator for the players' actions, but they also enforce and explain the rules, kind of
    like a mediator or referee.

    Since random rolls of the dice can be the difference in whether a
    player's character is swallowed by a gelatinous cube or crushed by a
    herd of centaurs, a good GM will also be an adept improviser who can
    keep the story moving based on the circumstances of the game.

    In other words, it's not an easy gig. But as Murdock played tabletop
    games through the 2010s, she grew more confident in the skills it takes
    to run a good game. While not obvious at the time, it's what led to her becoming a paid GM.

    "I love teaching, I love writing and I love playing games rCo it's been an interesting career path that's an amalgamation of all the things that I
    want to do," she says.

    Since 2021, Murdock's main source of income has been working as a GM for Dungeon Master Direct, a Utah-based company that specializes in online
    and in-person tabletop roleplaying game sessions that range from $375 to
    $750.

    She makes $24,000 as a dungeon master for the company, plus another
    $13,000 teaching writing at nearby Westminster University in Salt Lake
    City, where she lives with her husband, Scott. He makes $96,000 as a communications director at a state agency.

    Here's a look at how Murdock was able to turn her hobby into a career.
    Becoming a tabletop gamer

    The eldest of two siblings in a Latter-day Saints family, Murdock says
    she was "willful" and "liked being my own boss" when she was growing up.

    Most of her childhood took place in Michigan and in Utah, where she
    spent her days "climbing trees, catching frogs, playing make believe."
    At night, she would stay up reading books, pretty much "any type of storytelling."

    In 2007, Murdock's family moved to Hawaii after her father got a
    teaching job at Brigham Young University-Hawaii. She studied literature
    at the school, and while there, played her first tabletop role-playing
    game at a friend's house and "loved it."

    In 2010, she took time off from school to become a full-time missionary.
    She was assigned to Japan, the country where her mother was born.


    While in Japan, Murdock met her now-husband, Scott, who was also doing missionary work in another part of the country.

    Mari returned to Hawaii in 2012 and graduated from BYU-H with a
    bachelor's degree in literature. She got a communications job on campus,
    and was soon joined by Scott, who moved to Hawaii to be with her and
    finish his degree.

    They helped create a gaming club on campus, with Murdock acting as the
    club's faculty advisor since she worked for the university.

    The club was a hit, becoming the second-largest student group on campus. Murdock got more involved with the club, running tabletop RPGs for
    first-time players. In 2013, she entered and won an open audition to
    write fiction for Legend of the Five Rings, a popular collectible card
    game set in feudal Japan.

    "That really opened the doors to networking for other types of work,
    because when people were looking for a writer who could do fiction at a professional level, my name would start coming up," says Murdock.
    Getting hired as a professional Dungeon Master

    Even if she didn't do it for a living, Murdock says she'd still be
    planning D&D campaigns for friends, reading game books or writing fiction.

    Since hobbies can become side hustles, "it's important to remember that creative work is work," she says.

    As a friend once said to her: "You're going to be doing it anyway, you
    might as well find someone to pay you for it."

    In 2016, Murdock moved to Salt Lake City with Scott, where she studied
    for a master's degree in transatlantic literature. She also continued freelance writing, mostly for Legend of the Five Rings.

    "I got roped into writing anything that they needed me to," says
    Murdock. This included novelizations of the game, as well as text that explains game mechanics, character backstories or text that appears on
    game cards. She was mostly paid in free products at first, but later got
    paid in cash.

    In 2020, Dax Levine rCo an old friend from Murdock's university gaming
    club rCo founded Dungeon Master Direct, a professional dungeon master
    service. The timing was fortuitous, as tabletop gaming became more
    popular during the pandemic.

    The company was successful enough that in May 2021 Levine was able to
    hire Murdock as a game master, commonly called a dungeon master when
    playing Dungeons & Dragons.

    "I run about three games a week on a busy week," says Murdock. Each
    ongoing game, including prep, takes about four to five hours a week of
    her time.

    She also helps run company events, like the largest game of Dungeons &
    Dragons ever played, according to Guinness World Records. The game was
    held at a mall in Provo, Utah, and culminated in all 1,227 participants defeating an evil wizard named Vecna in the final attack.
    Mari Murdock running a gaming session.
    Graham Merwin | CNBC Make It
    Mari Murdock running a gaming session.

    Despite the fantastical elements of Dungeons & Dragons, Murdock says her interest in gaming has not been discouraged by her church. In fact, "a
    lot of members of the LDS church gravitate toward fantasy games," she says.

    Attitudes have change since the "satanic panic" of the 1980s, where
    people had "this stereotype that kids in their basements were actually summoning these demons and things like that," she says.

    For Murdock, gaming allows you to immerse yourself in "a pretend
    situation where you are imagining that you are someone else. I think
    that really develops creativity. It creates problem solving and a lot of empathy."

    What Mari and Scott spend in a month

    Here's how Mari and Scott spent their money in February 2024:

    Debt repayment: $2,450 for student loans, credit card debt, PayPal Credit, personal loan
    Mortgage: $2,147
    Food: $1,390 on groceries and dining out
    Discretionary: $832 for home goods, a Kickstarter contribution,
    hair salon
    Utilities: $452 for Wi-Fi, heat, water and electricity
    Savings: $400
    Subscriptions and memberships: $235 on Hulu, Spotify, Amazon Prime, Midjourney, Patreon, Nebula, Max
    Insurance: $161 for health, dental, vision, car and home
    Phones: $140
    Gas: $71

    In June 2023, Mari and Scott purchased a detached two-bedroom home in
    downtown Salt Lake City for $535,000, with a down payment of $40,000. To afford the home, they took on a personal loan within their family, which
    works out to $777 in monthly payments in addition to their mortgage.

    As part of the move, they did what Murdock calls a "financial reset,"
    with the goal of paying down the roughly $15,000 in credit card debt
    they accumulated during the pandemic. For that reason, debt repayment is
    the biggest monthly expense for the couple, with nearly $1,400 put
    toward credit card payments alone.

    They also have student loan debt of about $25,000 each. Scott hopes to
    qualify for public service loan forgiveness in a couple of years, since
    he works for a government agency.
    Mari Murdock and her husband Scott celebrate their 10th anniversary.
    Courtesy of Mari Murdock
    Mari Murdock and her husband Scott celebrate their 10th anniversary.

    Prior to the move, the couple had consistently paid a tithe to their
    church totaling one tenth of their income. However, they have paused
    their monthly contributions until they can pay down their credit card debt.

    Murdock usually spends up to 10 hours a week volunteering for the Relief Society, an LDS philanthropic women's organization. She figures her
    current contribution to the church is "my time commitment rather than my
    money commitment."

    They own a fully paid off 2018 Jeep Compass, so they save money on transportation costs, only paying about $200 for gas and car insurance
    each month.

    As for investments, the couple has about $20,000 set aside through
    Scott's 401(k) and pension. "Once we are completely out of debt besides
    the mortgage, we will probably put more into our retirement accounts,"
    says Murdock.
    Looking ahead

    Once their debt is paid down, "we're hoping to maybe foster children or
    adopt children, because that's something we've always been interested
    in," says Murdock.

    As for her career, juggling freelance writing, GMing and teaching "can
    be overwhelming at times," Murdock says. But it's also "fulfilling to
    all of the parts of my brain that just loves doing all sorts of
    different things."
    Mari Murdock walking in Salt Lake City with her husband, Scott.
    Graham Merwin | CNBC Make It
    Mari Murdock walking in Salt Lake City with her husband, Scott.

    Murdock wants to continue these pursuits, but would like to branch out
    and write her own novels too.

    "I went to school specifically to learn how to be a creative writer, so
    I love that GMing is a creative outlet that allows me to hone my
    storytelling, plotting and characterization skills," she says. "I feel
    very lucky that I'm able to do this. I'm feeling happy and blessed with it."
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  • From Justisaur@justisaur@yahoo.com to rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.dnd on Thu Apr 25 14:32:39 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.dnd

    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:


    tl;dr: wanna live of dnd? her husband makes 90.000$ a year. In other
    words: marry rich

    My wife makes that, I made 70k last year, but where we live to get that
    is expensive, we're in a tiny 70's house (about 1000 sq ft.) that's
    falling apart, needs probably 150k, maybe more in deferred maintenance
    from the previous owners, and 2 kids in a just so-so neighborhood &
    school.



    Source: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/

    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If rCyyou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC...

    ...in-person tabletop roleplaying game sessions that range from $375 to $750...

    Is that per person? Probably not, if not that's about $15 per hour
    minimum for players assuming 5 person games. If her games take 15
    hours (as is said later) between prep and play she should be getting
    about $25 an hour.

    ...She makes $24,000 as a dungeon master for the company, plus another
    $13,000 teaching writing at nearby Westminster University in Salt Lake
    City, where she lives with her husband, Scott. He makes $96,000 as a communications director at a state agency.

    A little discrepancy there. She really makes $24k from DMing... for
    another company. Sounds like she's getting screwed on pay.

    "That really opened the doors to networking for other types of work,
    because when people were looking for a writer who could do fiction at a professional level, my name would start coming up," says Murdock.
    Getting hired as a professional Dungeon Master

    $24k isn't really opening the doors for anything.


    Even if she didn't do it for a living, Murdock says she'd still be
    planning D&D campaigns for friends, reading game books or writing fiction.

    Since hobbies can become side hustles, "it's important to remember that creative work is work," she says.

    As a friend once said to her: "You're going to be doing it anyway, you
    might as well find someone to pay you for it."

    And that's how you turn your hobby into a chore.

    "I run about three games a week on a busy week," says Murdock. Each
    ongoing game, including prep, takes about four to five hours a week of
    her time.

    24k for 15 hrs a week, assuming a couple weeks off a year she's making
    $3.20 an hour?!? Maybe there's some overhead like venue, scheduling
    done by someone else or something, but she's really getting screwed at
    that rate!

    In June 2023, Mari and Scott purchased a detached two-bedroom home in
    downtown Salt Lake City for $535,000, with a down payment of $40,000. To afford the home, they took on a personal loan within their family, which
    works out to $777 in monthly payments in addition to their mortgage.

    So they got a 60 year loan with no interest from family. They should be
    paying ~$3,300 a month with a bank loan. Must be nice.
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  • From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.dnd on Fri Apr 26 10:38:30 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.dnd

    On 4/25/2024 11:32 PM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:


    tl;dr: wanna live of dnd? her husband makes 90.000$ a year. In other
    words: marry rich

    My wife makes that, I made 70k last year, but where we live to get that
    is expensive, we're in a tiny 70's house (about 1000 sq ft.) that's
    falling apart, needs probably 150k, maybe more in deferred maintenance
    from the previous owners, and 2 kids in a just so-so neighborhood & school.



    Source: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/

    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If rCyyou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC...

    ...in-person tabletop roleplaying game sessions that range from $375 to $750...

    Is that per person?-a Probably not, if not that's about $15 per hour
    minimum for players assuming 5 person games.-a-a If her games take 15
    hours (as is said later) between prep and play she should be getting
    about $25 an hour.

    ...She makes $24,000 as a dungeon master for the company, plus another $13,000 teaching writing at nearby Westminster University in Salt Lake
    City, where she lives with her husband, Scott. He makes $96,000 as a communications director at a state agency.

    A little discrepancy there.-a She really makes $24k from DMing... for another company.-a Sounds like she's getting screwed on pay.

    "That really opened the doors to networking for other types of work,
    because when people were looking for a writer who could do fiction at a professional level, my name would start coming up," says Murdock.
    Getting hired as a professional Dungeon Master

    $24k isn't really opening the doors for anything.


    Even if she didn't do it for a living, Murdock says she'd still be
    planning D&D campaigns for friends, reading game books or writing fiction.

    Since hobbies can become side hustles, "it's important to remember that creative work is work," she says.

    As a friend once said to her: "You're going to be doing it anyway, you
    might as well find someone to pay you for it."

    And that's how you turn your hobby into a chore.

    "I run about three games a week on a busy week," says Murdock. Each
    ongoing game, including prep, takes about four to five hours a week of
    her time.

    24k for 15 hrs a week, assuming a couple weeks off a year she's making
    $3.20 an hour?!?-a Maybe there's some overhead like venue, scheduling
    done by someone else or something, but she's really getting screwed at
    that rate!

    In June 2023, Mari and Scott purchased a detached two-bedroom home in downtown Salt Lake City for $535,000, with a down payment of $40,000. To afford the home, they took on a personal loan within their family, which works out to $777 in monthly payments in addition to their mortgage.

    So they got a 60 year loan with no interest from family. They should be paying ~$3,300 a month with a bank loan.-a Must be nice.


    I mean, I have absolutely nothing against her doing it like that. But
    this article is supposedly about how millenials use their money, and
    frankly, this is someone having a small side hustle while her husband
    earns the money, and they are getting a no-interest loan from her
    family. That's all... great for them, but what about people who don't
    have a spouse that can support them doing their hobbies or have a family
    that can support them?

    And yeah, it's not a good use of her time if earning money is her goal.

    It's one of those typical articles about how well millenials have it in
    a lot of ways.

    Anyway, the old maxim about making your hobby your job is that then you
    won't have a free day for the rest of your life...
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@spallshurgenson@gmail.com to rec.games.frp.dnd on Fri Apr 26 11:22:57 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.dnd


    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/
    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If
    ayou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC...

    Personally, I can't imagine anything worse than making my hobby my
    job. It turns the thing I enjoy most into something I /have/ to do.
    One of the reasons I enjoy the things I do is that I /don't/ have to
    them. The worst parts of DMing are that feeling of obligation trying
    to pump out the next adventure; that you're players are waiting on you
    to create another interesting and fun experience. Especially when
    there's a deadline ("Oh god, we're meeting up to play in TWO days and
    I haven't even started the final dungeon!!!").

    Throw in the idea that people are PAYING me for the privilege? I'd go
    nuts. Not to mention, I'm sure quality and experimentalism would go
    down. Can't take risks, not if you want that filthy lucre to keep
    coming in; just pump out pablum.

    DM for money? No thank you. Not me.



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  • From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to rec.games.frp.dnd on Sat Apr 27 01:02:40 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.dnd

    On 4/26/2024 5:22 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/
    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If
    rCyyou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC...

    Personally, I can't imagine anything worse than making my hobby my
    job. It turns the thing I enjoy most into something I /have/ to do.
    One of the reasons I enjoy the things I do is that I /don't/ have to
    them. The worst parts of DMing are that feeling of obligation trying
    to pump out the next adventure; that you're players are waiting on you
    to create another interesting and fun experience. Especially when
    there's a deadline ("Oh god, we're meeting up to play in TWO days and
    I haven't even started the final dungeon!!!").

    Throw in the idea that people are PAYING me for the privilege? I'd go
    nuts. Not to mention, I'm sure quality and experimentalism would go
    down. Can't take risks, not if you want that filthy lucre to keep
    coming in; just pump out pablum.

    DM for money? No thank you. Not me.




    there was the idea floating around at one point that players would
    actually chip in some money for every session so the DM could afford
    buying all those expensive books. But I never saw it done properly.
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  • From Spawn@tates@leather.pants to rec.games.frp.dnd on Sat Apr 27 18:43:18 2024
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    On 27/04/2024 1:22 am, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:

    Personally, I can't imagine anything worse than making my hobby my
    job. It turns the thing I enjoy most into something I /have/ to do.
    One of the reasons I enjoy the things I do is that I /don't/ have to
    them. The worst parts of DMing are that feeling of obligation trying
    to pump out the next adventure; that you're players are waiting on you
    to create another interesting and fun experience. Especially when
    there's a deadline ("Oh god, we're meeting up to play in TWO days and
    I haven't even started the final dungeon!!!").

    Throw in the idea that people are PAYING me for the privilege? I'd go
    nuts. Not to mention, I'm sure quality and experimentalism would go
    down. Can't take risks, not if you want that filthy lucre to keep
    coming in; just pump out pablum.

    DM for money? No thank you. Not me.


    Yeah, it just sounds kind of stressful to me. I have been running games
    for so many decades that it's kind of just second nature for me, with
    lots of winging it and flying by the seat of my pants. If I was getting
    paid for it I'd feel obliged to bring some kind of level of
    professionalism to proceedings which would just kind of kill the reason
    I do it, ie, to relax and have fun with my wife and my mates - no
    glasses of wine behind the DM's screen if I feel like it, taking
    exhaustive notes rather than mostly leaving that to my players and
    asking them to recap for me at the start of every session (haha), etc,
    etc, etc. As you say, all more in the name of trying for an acceptable
    level of consistency rather than taking risks, taking the game to crazy
    and unexpected places and so forth.

    That said if people want to do this and others want to pay, more power
    to them I guess. But the best payment for me will always be everyone
    around the table having a good time and, ideally, getting really into
    the adventure.
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    Spawn

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@spallshurgenson@gmail.com to rec.games.frp.dnd on Sat Apr 27 10:38:07 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.dnd

    On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 01:02:40 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/26/2024 5:22 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/
    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If
    ayou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC...

    Personally, I can't imagine anything worse than making my hobby my
    job. It turns the thing I enjoy most into something I /have/ to do.
    One of the reasons I enjoy the things I do is that I /don't/ have to
    them. The worst parts of DMing are that feeling of obligation trying
    to pump out the next adventure; that you're players are waiting on you
    to create another interesting and fun experience. Especially when
    there's a deadline ("Oh god, we're meeting up to play in TWO days and
    I haven't even started the final dungeon!!!").

    Throw in the idea that people are PAYING me for the privilege? I'd go
    nuts. Not to mention, I'm sure quality and experimentalism would go
    down. Can't take risks, not if you want that filthy lucre to keep
    coming in; just pump out pablum.

    DM for money? No thank you. Not me.




    there was the idea floating around at one point that players would
    actually chip in some money for every session so the DM could afford
    buying all those expensive books. But I never saw it done properly.

    But that's not really paying the DM so much as helping the group enjoy
    the game. It's somewhat equivalent to everyone chipping in to pay for
    snacks and drinks. It's an expense shared by the group. It's, "Hey, I
    want to give you guys a great game, but the tool I need to do so is
    too expensive, can you guys help out". If the group is willing, I've
    no problem.

    But paying the DM for DMing? That's, "Hey, I can give you a great
    game, and I could do it for free just as easily, but I want money for
    it." Which isn't necessarily bad - offering services for pay is what
    capitalism is all about - but it turns play into work. It turns what
    should be a fun and relaxed experience into an obligation. Maybe some
    people are fine with that. I'm not going to damn anyone for following
    that route. If DM and players are fine with it, that's great. But the
    idea of me doing it sends shivers down my spine.






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  • From Justisaur@justisaur@yahoo.com to rec.games.frp.dnd on Sat Apr 27 17:21:10 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.dnd

    On 4/26/2024 4:02 PM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/26/2024 5:22 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/
    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If
    rCyyou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC...

    Personally, I can't imagine anything worse than making my hobby my
    job. It turns the thing I enjoy most into something I /have/ to do.
    One of the reasons I enjoy the things I do is that I /don't/ have to
    them. The worst parts of DMing are that feeling of obligation trying
    to pump out the next adventure; that you're players are waiting on you
    to create another interesting and fun experience. Especially when
    there's a deadline ("Oh god, we're meeting up to play in TWO days and
    I haven't even started the final dungeon!!!").

    Throw in the idea that people are PAYING me for the privilege? I'd go
    nuts. Not to mention, I'm sure quality and experimentalism would go
    down. Can't take risks, not if you want that filthy lucre to keep
    coming in; just pump out pablum.

    DM for money? No thank you. Not me.

    there was the idea floating around at one point that players would
    actually chip in some money for every session so the DM could afford
    buying all those expensive books. But I never saw it done properly.

    Never saw that, but I did get splat books as gifts. Of course the rule
    I had I wouldn't allow anything in a splat book unless I owned it,
    probably helped, along with a free pass to try anything once if you were
    the one who bought it for me. :D
    --
    -Justisaur

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@spallshurgenson@gmail.com to rec.games.frp.dnd on Sun Apr 28 13:41:39 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.dnd

    On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 17:21:10 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/26/2024 4:02 PM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/26/2024 5:22 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On 4/25/2024 10:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/business/money-report/36-year-old-makes-37000-a-year-leading-dungeons-dragons-games-if-youre-doing-it-anyway-you-might-as-well-get-paid/3294720/
    36-year-old makes $37,000 a year leading Dungeons & Dragons games: If >>>>> ayou're doing it anyway, you might as well' get paid
    By Mike Winters,CNBC and Raffi Paul,CNBC...

    Personally, I can't imagine anything worse than making my hobby my
    job. It turns the thing I enjoy most into something I /have/ to do.
    One of the reasons I enjoy the things I do is that I /don't/ have to
    them. The worst parts of DMing are that feeling of obligation trying
    to pump out the next adventure; that you're players are waiting on you
    to create another interesting and fun experience. Especially when
    there's a deadline ("Oh god, we're meeting up to play in TWO days and
    I haven't even started the final dungeon!!!").

    Throw in the idea that people are PAYING me for the privilege? I'd go
    nuts. Not to mention, I'm sure quality and experimentalism would go
    down. Can't take risks, not if you want that filthy lucre to keep
    coming in; just pump out pablum.

    DM for money? No thank you. Not me.

    there was the idea floating around at one point that players would
    actually chip in some money for every session so the DM could afford
    buying all those expensive books. But I never saw it done properly.

    Never saw that, but I did get splat books as gifts. Of course the rule
    I had I wouldn't allow anything in a splat book unless I owned it,
    probably helped, along with a free pass to try anything once if you were
    the one who bought it for me. :D


    I was similar. I was never against adding content from splat-books,
    but I'd add it because I thought it necessary/neat, and not just
    because it existed. Simply crying "But it is in the rulebook!" was
    never a winning argument with me... especially if it was an uncommon
    ruling or in some weird side volume I'd never heard of.

    Which isn't to say our group didn't experiment. Tell me about
    something neat and that you'd like to try it, and I'd just as likely
    give it a shot. I think the only difference between our methods was
    that Ididn't have to own the rulebook personally (but I did want to
    read about the addition, of course. Back in the day, this usually
    meant a quick trip to the photocopier so I could have my own 'pages'
    for reference ;-) If the addition worked in our campaign - if it fit
    the style of our game, it didn't unbalance the mechanics, or wasn't
    outright stupid - we'd keep it. If it didn't, I explain why to the
    players and we'd stop using the rule / spell / monster / class /
    whatever.

    I think, overall, we had a 50% success rate. A lot of the stuff -
    especially in the TSR days - was either too stupid, too unbalanced, or
    just added too much complexity for us to stick with for very long.




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