A partner and I are planning to give Bailey weak two-bids a try, as
described in the Sept 1998 Bridge World. They look like fun, but nobody around here (Pittsburgh, PA) plays them, so they will be unfamiliar to
our opponents. What do you say when you alert your Bailey bids? Is a pre- alert needed?
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On Wednesday, January 3, 2001 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-8, Bob Park wrote:
A partner and I are planning to give Bailey weak two-bids a try, as
described in the Sept 1998 Bridge World. They look like fun, but nobody
around here (Pittsburgh, PA) plays them, so they will be unfamiliar to
our opponents. What do you say when you alert your Bailey bids? Is a pre-
alert needed?
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I like them at match points. My partner doesn't alert them, but I do.
In my opinion, not alerting is unethical. If they ask, tell them
everything you know. Full disclosure. Anything else is unethical in
my opinion. Pre alerts are not necessary.
I very much doubt whether Bob Park is still waiting for an answer after
19 years. Still, it's nice to see someone posting here.
In article <RLQsf5B9LoQeFwgv@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
John Hall <john@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
...
I very much doubt whether Bob Park is still waiting for an answer after
19 years. Still, it's nice to see someone posting here.
I noted the date of the original post, but I don't think it matters.
Certainly, in a group like this one (rgb), any posts we can get are welcome.
But here's the thing, I really don't understand why people get hyper about >necro-posts anyway. There really doesn't seem any harm in it to me.
But here's the thing, I really don't understand why people get hyper about necro-posts anyway. There really doesn't seem any harm in it to me.
A partner and I are planning to give Bailey weak two-bids a try, as
described in the Sept 1998 Bridge World. They look like fun, but nobody around here (Pittsburgh, PA) plays them, so they will be unfamiliar to
our opponents. What do you say when you alert your Bailey bids? Is a pre- alert needed?
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
On Wednesday, January 3, 2001 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-8, Bob Park wrote:
A partner and I are planning to give Bailey weak two-bids a try, as
described in the Sept 1998 Bridge World. They look like fun, but nobody
around here (Pittsburgh, PA) plays them, so they will be unfamiliar to
our opponents. What do you say when you alert your Bailey bids? Is a pre-
alert needed?
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
I was doing a web search on Bailey Weak Two Bids, saw the question, and >didn't look at the date. So I answered it. Excuse me all to hell. If
it is really going to upset people to answer the question, then take
it down.
We play Bailey Weak 2 bids. So although it may be an outdated
question to you, it isn't to us. In fact the question consistently
comes up.
I hope this doesn't spoil your whole day. Maybe take some aspirin
and get a good night's sleep.
Kenny McCormack skrev:
But here's the thing, I really don't understand why people get hyper about >> necro-posts anyway. There really doesn't seem any harm in it to me.
I'm not getting hyper, but through the last years there has been
a number of necro-posts in different groups, and with yours as
the only exception, the posters have dropped a single message
only to never appear again.
And if the question for example is about which tv-set is the best
one to buy, or how to fix a broken washing machine, then it makes
little sense to answer the question ten years later.
In article <1fsd4vgzanmwq$.dlg@lundhansen.dk>,Larry Lang <lawrencelintonlang@gmail.com>
Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
Kenny McCormack skrev:
But here's the thing, I really don't understand why people get hyper about >> necro-posts anyway. There really doesn't seem any harm in it to me.
I'm not getting hyper, but through the last years there has been
a number of necro-posts in different groups, and with yours as
the only exception, the posters have dropped a single message
only to never appear again.
Every once in a while, in the obits newsgroup, you'll see a post attached
to an item about somebody dying, say 20 years ago (It will say at the top
of the post something like "On 13 April, 2001, so and so said this and
so"). The new post will say that the person referenced in the obit (who died, say, 20 years ago) was their gramma (or something similar).
I think this sort of post is charming and useful. Not to be discouraged.
And if the question for example is about which tv-set is the best
one to buy, or how to fix a broken washing machine, then it makes
little sense to answer the question ten years later.
Maybe...
Anyway, bridge is pretty timeless. Nothing wrong with commenting 20 years later on a bridge topic. Also, the whole idea of newsgroups (as opposed to private email) is that it is for everyone, not just the OP. If your intent was solely to inform the OP, you'd just send them a private email (and not cost the net hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars by doing so).
--
Every time a Republican gets caught doing something illegal (i.e., just about every
day or two), they always immediately issue two simultaneous statements about it:
1) "I didn't do it" (Standard denial)
2) "Here's how I did it and why I did it and why it shouldn't matter to you and why you should go back to watching TV sports"
On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 6:13:52 AM UTC-8, Kenny McCormack wrote:Bob Park here.
In article <1fsd4vgzanmwq$.d...@lundhansen.dk>,
Bertel Lund Hansen <gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
Kenny McCormack skrev:
But here's the thing, I really don't understand why people get hyper about
necro-posts anyway. There really doesn't seem any harm in it to me.
I'm not getting hyper, but through the last years there has been
a number of necro-posts in different groups, and with yours as
the only exception, the posters have dropped a single message
only to never appear again.
Every once in a while, in the obits newsgroup, you'll see a post attached to an item about somebody dying, say 20 years ago (It will say at the top of the post something like "On 13 April, 2001, so and so said this and so"). The new post will say that the person referenced in the obit (who died, say, 20 years ago) was their gramma (or something similar).
I think this sort of post is charming and useful. Not to be discouraged.
And if the question for example is about which tv-set is the best
one to buy, or how to fix a broken washing machine, then it makes
little sense to answer the question ten years later.
Maybe...
Anyway, bridge is pretty timeless. Nothing wrong with commenting 20 years later on a bridge topic. Also, the whole idea of newsgroups (as opposed to private email) is that it is for everyone, not just the OP. If your intent was solely to inform the OP, you'd just send them a private email (and not cost the net hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars by doing so).
--Larry Lang <lawrencel...@gmail.com>
Every time a Republican gets caught doing something illegal (i.e., just about every
day or two), they always immediately issue two simultaneous statements about it:
1) "I didn't do it" (Standard denial)
2) "Here's how I did it and why I did it and why it shouldn't matter to you and why you should go back to watching TV sports"
10:40 AM (4 minutes ago)
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Bertel,
If I had understood the date of the question and where it came from, I would not have replied. Next time I'll do a research project on where the question came from, before I answer. I hope this will make your life easier.
But here's the scoop. As a Bridge director, I can tell you the official ACBL stance on alerts has been modified at least 8 times in the last 20 years. Your remark about washing machines doesn't apply. And since my comment is so important to you, I'll finish what I started and answer the question in a more general sense and thus answer the question completely..
There is an ethical and a legal aspect of what you should alert at Bridge As of now, they do not coincide because there is not enough room in the rule book to cover every possible situation and auction. One must balance the problem that could be caused by alerting partner to your understanding of the agreement, against not giving the opponents full disclosure that they need to defend and bid to the best of their ability.
I would argue that Bailey Weak 2 bids are so different from normal weak two bids (5 cards instead of 6) that ethically you should alert. However, if you don't, few directors would take exception. As in all situations, if the opponents ask, you must give full disclosure, even and up to including things you know about partner's bidding style through past history.
Will this change sometime in the future? Certainly it will. The ACBL has passed and then revoked many laws about weak twos already, and written and revised many pamphlets about alerting. It revises Bridge Laws, seemingly every 4 years? The whole attitude has changed about penalties, such that they now wish to put a board back to normalcy after an irregularity rather than penalize the person causing the irregularity.
And yes, Bailey Weak 2 Bids are still played, and people still argue about alerting.
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