• Backgamee play

    From Timothy Chow@tchow12000@yahoo.com to rec.games.backgammon on Tue Jan 2 22:36:36 2024
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    In a backgame, I refer to the player who is playing the backgame as
    the "backgamer" and the other player as the "backgamee." This
    terminology seems logical to me, though I don't know if anyone else
    uses it. Similarly, I use the terms "holder" and "holdee" when it's
    a holding game.

    XGID=-bCbBCCAAAA------bacb-ba--:1:-1:1:31:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X O X O |
    | X X X X | | X X X O X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 81 O: 151 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 31

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    Tim Chow
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  • From Stick Rice@bananaboater315@gmail.com to rec.games.backgammon on Wed Jan 3 14:48:29 2024
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    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:36:38rC>PM UTC-5, Timothy Chow wrote:
    In a backgame, I refer to the player who is playing the backgame as
    the "backgamer" and the other player as the "backgamee." This
    terminology seems logical to me, though I don't know if anyone else
    uses it. Similarly, I use the terms "holder" and "holdee" when it's
    a holding game.

    XGID=-bCbBCCAAAA------bacb-ba--:1:-1:1:31:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X O X O |
    | X X X X | | X X X O X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 81 O: 151 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 31

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    Tim Chow
    When the terms are so similar I don't think we get much mileage out of using them. Instead I prefer saying it the long way such as "I was playing a backgame" or "I was playing against a backgame".
    Stick
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  • From Timothy Chow@tchow12000@yahoo.com to rec.games.backgammon on Thu Jan 4 09:17:36 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.backgammon

    On 1/3/2024 5:48 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
    When the terms are so similar I don't think we get much mileage out of using them. Instead I prefer saying it the long way such as "I was playing a backgame" or "I was playing against a backgame".

    I use them when categorizing decisions as "backgamer cubes" versus
    "backgamee cubes" or "backgamer checker plays" versus "backgamee
    checker plays." It's also convenient if one wants to say something
    like, "A common backgamee tactic is to banana split, to force the
    backgamer to hit and recirculate the backgamee's checkers."

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@tchow12000@yahoo.com to rec.games.backgammon on Thu Jan 4 09:26:02 2024
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    XGID=-bCbBCCAAAA------bacb-ba--:1:-1:1:31:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X O X O |
    | X X X X | | X X X O X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 81 O: 151 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 31

    Prime or clear? The conventional wisdom is that the backgamee should
    strive to prime the backgamer, but this advice does not necessarily
    apply late in the game, especially if the backgamee is losing the
    timing battle. X can prime with 10/7 9/8, but he can't expect to hold
    the prime long enough to force O to crunch, so X is well advised not
    to create points that he may have difficulty clearing safely.

    1. Rollout-| 9/8 7/4 eq:+0.510
    Player: 66.61% (G:29.60% B:3.55%)
    Opponent: 33.39% (G:1.61% B:0.05%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.502..+0.519) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout-| 9/6 8/7 eq:+0.426 (-0.084)
    Player: 65.06% (G:25.37% B:2.44%)
    Opponent: 34.94% (G:1.49% B:0.04%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.417..+0.435) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout-| 10/7 8/7 eq:+0.422 (-0.088)
    Player: 65.37% (G:24.57% B:2.55%)
    Opponent: 34.63% (G:2.20% B:0.07%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.414..+0.431) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout-| 10/7 9/8 eq:+0.373 (-0.137)
    Player: 63.62% (G:24.62% B:2.15%)
    Opponent: 36.38% (G:2.53% B:0.09%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.364..+0.382) - [0.0%]

    5. Rollout-| 10/9 7/4 eq:+0.359 (-0.151)
    Player: 62.18% (G:27.02% B:3.36%)
    Opponent: 37.82% (G:2.90% B:0.10%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.350..+0.368) - [0.0%]

    -| 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow
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  • From Stick Rice@bananaboater315@gmail.com to rec.games.backgammon on Fri Jan 5 01:52:48 2024
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.backgammon

    On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:26:04rC>AM UTC-5, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=-bCbBCCAAAA------bacb-ba--:1:-1:1:31:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X O X O |
    | X X X X | | X X X O X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 81 O: 151 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 31
    Prime or clear? The conventional wisdom is that the backgamee should
    strive to prime the backgamer, but this advice does not necessarily
    apply late in the game, especially if the backgamee is losing the
    timing battle. X can prime with 10/7 9/8, but he can't expect to hold
    the prime long enough to force O to crunch, so X is well advised not
    to create points that he may have difficulty clearing safely.

    1. Rollout-| 9/8 7/4 eq:+0.510
    Player: 66.61% (G:29.60% B:3.55%)
    Opponent: 33.39% (G:1.61% B:0.05%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.502..+0.519) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout-| 9/6 8/7 eq:+0.426 (-0.084)
    Player: 65.06% (G:25.37% B:2.44%)
    Opponent: 34.94% (G:1.49% B:0.04%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.417..+0.435) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout-| 10/7 8/7 eq:+0.422 (-0.088)
    Player: 65.37% (G:24.57% B:2.55%)
    Opponent: 34.63% (G:2.20% B:0.07%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.414..+0.431) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout-| 10/7 9/8 eq:+0.373 (-0.137)
    Player: 63.62% (G:24.62% B:2.15%)
    Opponent: 36.38% (G:2.53% B:0.09%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.364..+0.382) - [0.0%]

    5. Rollout-| 10/9 7/4 eq:+0.359 (-0.151)
    Player: 62.18% (G:27.02% B:3.36%)
    Opponent: 37.82% (G:2.90% B:0.10%)
    Confidence: -#0.009 (+0.350..+0.368) - [0.0%]

    -| 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow
    Maybe it's just me because I'm not that bright but probably for others too but when I read backgamee or backgamer for eg I have to stop and think about what you mean. I wouldn't think it helps readers out. For personal use it's understandable if that's what you want. For the public I don't see it ever catching on and it comes off as more of a hindrance than an aide. Just my half cent.
    Stick
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  • From Timothy Chow@tchow12000@yahoo.com to rec.games.backgammon on Fri Jan 5 08:30:59 2024
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    On 1/5/2024 4:52 AM, Stick Rice wrote:
    Maybe it's just me because I'm not that bright but probably for others too but when I read backgamee or backgamer for eg I have to stop and think about what you mean. I wouldn't think it helps readers out. For personal use it's understandable if that's what you want. For the public I don't see it ever catching on and it comes off as more of a hindrance than an aide. Just my half cent.

    All terminology seems unfamiliar at first. Think about Nactation.

    Whether it catches on has less to do with the terminology itself
    and more to do with who is using the terminology. Of course if a
    nobody like myself uses it, it won't catch on. If a 'celebrity'
    in the backgammon world starts using it, then it will definitely
    catch on no matter how bad the terminology is. As I recall, you
    hate Michy's use of "double tiger." But because Michy is using it,
    it's catching on.

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