On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 17:46:39 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Uncle Bruce wrote on 8/10/2026 5:21 PM:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 21:36:15 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-08-10, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:
You really need to stop "guessing".
Why would I do that? Guessing is collecting data and forming an
theory of the world. Since I can't know absolutely all data on a
matter, guessing is my only option. You only believe that you
know things as they are.
Perhaps you should collect more data before you "guess".
He's becoming fact intolerant, like Leo. Maybe they're undergoing
the same process. Leo's further along.
Could it be the same process that eventually affected poor Popeye?
Yes, I think so. He also went from fairly sane (before my time here),
to rather weird to completely off his rocker (sex with nuns in the
Vatican, "Meghan Markle doesn't have big enough breasts to be a
royal".
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 20:37:14 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:
On 8/10/2026 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Uncle Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
dsi1 is obsessed with race and there had been no mention of
Asians yet, so he couldn't help himself.
I'm not obsessed with race. Race don't mean shit to me. I'm allCall it what you will. You're all about race.
about culture.
In your world, culture is race. You're afraid of both. That's the
breaks.
I would fear *culture* LONG before race ever came in the equation.
cranberry transformer <ct@in.valid> posted:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 20:37:14 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:
On 8/10/2026 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Call it what you will. You're all about race.
Uncle Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
dsi1 is obsessed with race and there had been no mention of
Asians yet, so he couldn't help himself.
I'm not obsessed with race. Race don't mean shit to me. I'm all
about culture.
In your world, culture is race. You're afraid of both. That's the
breaks.
I would fear *culture* LONG before race ever came in the equation.
I don't fear any culture or race. Well, I am a little leery of the Turks. They
are a rather odd people. Race doesn't say a thing about a people but culture >says a lot. The Chinese are so obsessed with food that they greet each other by
saying "have you eaten today?" If I said that to most other people, they'd think
I was inviting them to lunch. In Hawaii, it means I'm going to take you out to >lunch, my treat. I can't say what it means on the mainland.
cranberry transformer <ct@in.valid> posted:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 20:37:14 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:
On 8/10/2026 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Uncle Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:
dsi1 is obsessed with race and there had been no mention of
Asians yet, so he couldn't help himself.
I'm not obsessed with race. Race don't mean shit to me. I'mCall it what you will. You're all about race.
all about culture.
In your world, culture is race. You're afraid of both. That's the
breaks.
I would fear *culture* LONG before race ever came in the equation.
I don't fear any culture or race. Well, I am a little leery of the
Turks. They are a rather odd people.
Race doesn't say a thing about a
people but culture says a lot.
The Chinese are so obsessed with food
that they greet each other by saying "have you eaten today?" If I
said that to most other people, they'd think I was inviting them to
lunch. In Hawaii, it means I'm going to take you out to lunch, my
treat. I can't say what it means on the mainland.
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 22:31:41 -0400, EdP <esp@snet.> wrote:
On 8/8/2026 10:02 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
If I had to bet, I'd say that most Americans have never heard of "broadYour numbers may be correct. I've heard of fava, but never had them or
beans," though they might have heard of fava beans, and that most
Americans have never eaten fava beans. Of course, in your demographic
(old lady) there would be a much larger proportion, as I can imagine
them being a component of one of the various, nasty, multiple bean
salads. Betsy, who *has* eaten fava beans, did not know that they are
also called broad beans. I imagine that if you asked a representative
sample of 100 Americans to name every bean they could think of, and gave >>> them 5 minutes, less than half would mention fava, and the number who
mentioned "broad beans" would be in the low single digits. If we were
playing Family Feud (name a type of bean), the #1 answer would no doubt
be "green beans." Another top 5 would likely be, "pork 'n beans," and
maybe soy bean.
have seen them in the store. Never heard of broad beans. I just did a
search on the Publix app and fava did not show.
Don't forget navy beans, a very common one.
How about snow peas?
On 2026-08-10, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:
You really need to stop "guessing".
Why would I do that? Guessing is collecting data and forming an theory of the
world. Since I can't know absolutely all data on a matter, guessing is my only
option. You only believe that you know things as they are.
Perhaps you should collect more data before you "guess".
On 8/9/2026 3:40 AM, Uncle Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 22:31:41 -0400, EdP <esp@snet.> wrote:Aren't they also called mangetout?
On 8/8/2026 10:02 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
If I had to bet, I'd say that most Americans have never heard of "broad >>>> beans," though they might have heard of fava beans, and that mostYour numbers may be correct. I've heard of fava, but never had them or
Americans have never eaten fava beans. Of course, in your demographic
(old lady) there would be a much larger proportion, as I can imagine
them being a component of one of the various, nasty, multiple bean
salads. Betsy, who *has* eaten fava beans, did not know that they are
also called broad beans. I imagine that if you asked a representative
sample of 100 Americans to name every bean they could think of, and gave >>>> them 5 minutes, less than half would mention fava, and the number who
mentioned "broad beans" would be in the low single digits. If we were
playing Family Feud (name a type of bean), the #1 answer would no doubt >>>> be "green beans." Another top 5 would likely be, "pork 'n beans," and
maybe soy bean.
have seen them in the store. Never heard of broad beans. I just did a
search on the Publix app and fava did not show.
Don't forget navy beans, a very common one.
How about snow peas?
On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 18:46:02 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 8/9/2026 3:40 AM, Uncle Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 22:31:41 -0400, EdP <esp@snet.> wrote:Aren't they also called mangetout?
On 8/8/2026 10:02 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
If I had to bet, I'd say that most Americans have never heard of "broad >>>>> beans," though they might have heard of fava beans, and that mostYour numbers may be correct. I've heard of fava, but never had them or >>>> have seen them in the store. Never heard of broad beans. I just did a >>>> search on the Publix app and fava did not show.
Americans have never eaten fava beans. Of course, in your demographic >>>>> (old lady) there would be a much larger proportion, as I can imagine >>>>> them being a component of one of the various, nasty, multiple bean
salads. Betsy, who *has* eaten fava beans, did not know that they are >>>>> also called broad beans. I imagine that if you asked a representative >>>>> sample of 100 Americans to name every bean they could think of, and gave >>>>> them 5 minutes, less than half would mention fava, and the number who >>>>> mentioned "broad beans" would be in the low single digits. If we were >>>>> playing Family Feud (name a type of bean), the #1 answer would no doubt >>>>> be "green beans." Another top 5 would likely be, "pork 'n beans," and >>>>> maybe soy bean.
Don't forget navy beans, a very common one.
How about snow peas?
Yes, in the UK.
Nisei:
Grew up navigating a dual identity absorbing American education,
language, and social values
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 16:02:19 -0600, cranberry transformer
<ct@in.valid> wrote:
Nisei:
Grew up navigating a dual identity absorbing American education,
language, and social values
"American language" is a bit like someone with very little
schooling trying to speak English with severe sinus obstruction.
Expect double negatives in every other sentence.
But WTF are "American education" and "American social values"?
Do they even exist?
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 16:28:48 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
You're giving him da last woid, Tojo ?
Maybe you'll save face once again.
Save this, bigot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1S7nNfWHYY
World War II veteran of the 141st recalls being rescued by 442nd RCT
Go For Broke National Education Center
Oct 21, 2020
Astro Tortolano, a World War II veteran and member of the 141st Infantry Regiment, recalls the grim conditions he and his unit faced after being surrounded by German soldiers. This battalion of the 141st would eventually be relieved by Japanese American soldiers of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team after days of brutal fighting.
No one has gone Issei v. Nisei yet, which may just be historical
ignorance of where we've come from.
Generational and Legal Differences
Issei (First Generation):
Born in
Japan; legally barred from becoming U.S. naturalized citizens until the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952; faced severe restrictions including bans
on land ownership (Alien Land Laws).
Nisei (Second Generation):
Born in
the United States; automatically U.S. citizens by birth under the 14th Amendment; often served as a cultural bridge despite facing widespread societal discrimination.
Cultural and Social Experience
Issei:
Maintained strong cultural,
linguistic, and emotional ties to Japan; built the foundational ethnic communities, farms, and small businesses.
Nisei:
Grew up navigating a
dual identityrCoabsorbing American education, language, and social values outside the home while experiencing Japanese traditions within it.
World War II Impact
Issei:
Treated as "enemy aliens" by the U.S.
government following the attack on Pearl Harbor; subjected to immediate suspicion and mass forced incarceration.
Nisei:
Despite being American
citizens, roughly 70,000 Nisei were also forcibly incarcerated
alongside their parents; many young Nisei men later proved their
loyalty by serving in segregated U.S. military units like the 442nd Regimental Combat Team.
https://store.hiarmymuseumsoc.org/cdn/shop/products/01_442Patch_r1_1a3fb0ee-f889-4a18-ac95-2c6ea5d9a74f_2000x.jpg?v=1597565048
https://www.pacificcitizen.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/442_nd_infantry_rct_class_a_patch_69217_grande.jpeg
https://www.pacificcitizen.org/the-story-of-the-442nd-patch/
The 442nd Regimental Combat Team is the US ArmyrCOs most-decorated unit
for its size in military history. Created in response to the War DepartmentrCOs call for volunteers to serve during World War II, more
than 12,000 Nisei Japanese American men fought with a rCLGo for BrokerCY spirit in some of the greatest battles held in Europe during the war.
In all, the unit was awarded more than 18,000 commendations in less
than two years for their bravery, honor and courage in helping to turn
the tide to an American victory in WWII.
https://youtu.be/oG4N1GORWM4
https://youtu.be/U1S7nNfWHYY
Real American heroes.
cranberry transformer <ct@in.valid> posted:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 16:28:48 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
You're giving him da last woid, Tojo ?
Maybe you'll save face once again.
Save this, bigot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1S7nNfWHYY
World War II veteran of the 141st recalls being rescued by 442nd RCT
Go For Broke National Education Center
Oct 21, 2020
Astro Tortolano, a World War II veteran and member of the 141st
Infantry Regiment, recalls the grim conditions he and his unit
faced after being surrounded by German soldiers. This battalion of
the 141st would eventually be relieved by Japanese American
soldiers of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team after days of brutal
fighting.
Initially, there was some friction between the volunteers from Hawaii
and the groups from the mainland. There was a great cultural divide.
The Hawaiians thought the mainland nissei were bananas and the
mainland nissei thought the Hawaiians were unsophisticated hicks. It
took a while for the different groups to learn to trust and respect
each other. Most of the volunteers in the 442 regiment were from
Hawaii.
cranberry transformer <ct@in.valid> posted:
No one has gone Issei v. Nisei yet, which may just be historical
ignorance of where we've come from.
Generational and Legal Differences
Issei (First Generation):
Born in
Japan; legally barred from becoming U.S. naturalized citizens until
the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952; faced severe restrictions
including bans on land ownership (Alien Land Laws).
Nisei (Second Generation):
Born in
the United States; automatically U.S. citizens by birth under the
14th Amendment; often served as a cultural bridge despite facing
widespread societal discrimination.
Cultural and Social Experience
Issei:
Maintained strong cultural,
linguistic, and emotional ties to Japan; built the foundational
ethnic communities, farms, and small businesses.
Nisei:
Grew up navigating a
dual identityrCoabsorbing American education, language, and social
values outside the home while experiencing Japanese traditions
within it.
World War II Impact
Issei:
Treated as "enemy aliens" by the U.S.
government following the attack on Pearl Harbor; subjected to
immediate suspicion and mass forced incarceration.
Nisei:
Despite being American
citizens, roughly 70,000 Nisei were also forcibly incarcerated
alongside their parents; many young Nisei men later proved their
loyalty by serving in segregated U.S. military units like the 442nd Regimental Combat Team.
https://store.hiarmymuseumsoc.org/cdn/shop/products/01_442Patch_r1_1a3fb0ee-f889-4a18-ac95-2c6ea5d9a74f_2000x.jpg?v=1597565048
https://www.pacificcitizen.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/442_nd_infantry_rct_class_a_patch_69217_grande.jpeg
Indeed it must have been.https://www.pacificcitizen.org/the-story-of-the-442nd-patch/
The 442nd Regimental Combat Team is the US ArmyrCOs most-decorated
unit for its size in military history. Created in response to the
War DepartmentrCOs call for volunteers to serve during World War II,
more than 12,000 Nisei Japanese American men fought with a rCLGo for BrokerCY spirit in some of the greatest battles held in Europe during
the war. In all, the unit was awarded more than 18,000
commendations in less than two years for their bravery, honor and
courage in helping to turn the tide to an American victory in WWII.
https://youtu.be/oG4N1GORWM4
https://youtu.be/U1S7nNfWHYY
Real American heroes.
My wife's late friend's father was in the 442nd Regiment. Her mom was
from Italy. I guess she was what people would call a "war bride."
That was interesting.
On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 20:49:18 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
cranberry transformer <ct@in.valid> posted:
No one has gone Issei v. Nisei yet, which may just be historical ignorance of where we've come from.
Generational and Legal Differences
Issei (First Generation):
Born in
Japan; legally barred from becoming U.S. naturalized citizens
until the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952; faced severe restrictions including bans on land ownership (Alien Land Laws).
Nisei (Second Generation):
Born in
the United States; automatically U.S. citizens by birth under the
14th Amendment; often served as a cultural bridge despite facing widespread societal discrimination.
Cultural and Social Experience
Issei:
Maintained strong cultural,
linguistic, and emotional ties to Japan; built the foundational
ethnic communities, farms, and small businesses.
Nisei:
Grew up navigating a
dual identityrCoabsorbing American education, language, and social
values outside the home while experiencing Japanese traditions
within it.
World War II Impact
Issei:
Treated as "enemy aliens" by the U.S.
government following the attack on Pearl Harbor; subjected to
immediate suspicion and mass forced incarceration.
Nisei:
Despite being American
citizens, roughly 70,000 Nisei were also forcibly incarcerated
alongside their parents; many young Nisei men later proved their
loyalty by serving in segregated U.S. military units like the
442nd Regimental Combat Team.
https://store.hiarmymuseumsoc.org/cdn/shop/products/01_442Patch_r1_1a3fb0ee-f889-4a18-ac95-2c6ea5d9a74f_2000x.jpg?v=1597565048
https://www.pacificcitizen.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/442_nd_infantry_rct_class_a_patch_69217_grande.jpeg
https://www.pacificcitizen.org/the-story-of-the-442nd-patch/
The 442nd Regimental Combat Team is the US ArmyrCOs most-decorated
unit for its size in military history. Created in response to the
War DepartmentrCOs call for volunteers to serve during World War II,
more than 12,000 Nisei Japanese American men fought with a rCLGo for BrokerCY spirit in some of the greatest battles held in Europe
during the war. In all, the unit was awarded more than 18,000 commendations in less than two years for their bravery, honor and
courage in helping to turn the tide to an American victory in
WWII.
https://youtu.be/oG4N1GORWM4
https://youtu.be/U1S7nNfWHYY
Real American heroes.
My wife's late friend's father was in the 442nd Regiment. Her mom
was from Italy. I guess she was what people would call a "war
bride." That was interesting.
Indeed it must have been.
Some powerful melange of cuisines right there.
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-08-10, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:
You really need to stop "guessing".
Why would I do that? Guessing is collecting data and forming an theory of the
world. Since I can't know absolutely all data on a matter, guessing is my only
option. You only believe that you know things as they are.
Perhaps you should collect more data before you "guess".
Is there anything that you feel is incorrect? Once again I call your bluff. It's
not even a good bluff. It's so vague that it's mostly a lame attempt at a bluff.
My guess is that it's SOP for you. It's surprising that a person with your background could be so imprecise.
You have to get it fresh picked. We used to go to a farm stand and on weekends about noon, there would be 10 to 15 people standing around
waiting for the tractor to come back from the field with the fresh picked.
Lucky for you that you can wing it. A lot of people cannot. Pasta sauce
is one of those types of recipes that often call for a certain size can
of tomatoes. Recipes for things involving canned tuna or salmon often
call for a certain weight of fish, often reflecting the amount in the typical can. I saw tuna on sale at the grocery store yesterday and the
cans were so small they would not make enough tuna salad for two sandwiches.
I'd not have known that Americans call them fava beans, if it wasn't
for RFC.
When a guy peas in the snow he ca write his name.
On 2026-08-09, Uncle Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'd not have known that Americans call them fava beans, if it wasn't
for RFC.
I wouldn't have known what fava beans were, if it wasn't for Hannibal
Lecter. I still haven't tasted them. Why would I?
Oh...and chianti! I ain't a wine guy.
On 2026-08-09, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Lucky for you that you can wing it. A lot of people cannot. Pasta sauce
is one of those types of recipes that often call for a certain size can
of tomatoes. Recipes for things involving canned tuna or salmon often
call for a certain weight of fish, often reflecting the amount in the
typical can. I saw tuna on sale at the grocery store yesterday and the
cans were so small they would not make enough tuna salad for two sandwiches.
They'll make two. Add more mayo. But, that's it.
On 2026-08-09, Uncle Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'd not have known that Americans call them fava beans, if it wasn't
for RFC.
I wouldn't have known what fava beans were, if it wasn't for Hannibal
Lecter. I still haven't tasted them. Why would I?
Oh...and chianti! I ain't a wine guy.
you can have the human liver.
You're confused. Horse beans are the same species as broad beans,
but a different variety.
Broad beans ( Vicia faba) are grown for human consumption; fleshier, tenderer.
Horse beans. aka field beans, are a different variety (smaller,
harder, coarser) grown for animal feed and green manure.
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