• Your Generator Sucks (Maybe Mine Too)

    From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Sep 21 12:29:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS

    Long read, but maybe worth it

    Mine does too. If you are on jobs sites using it all the time it
    probably doesn't suck. If you have plenty of time to take care of
    everything exactly the way you are supposed to, it might not suck as
    much, but if like me, you use your generator once every year or two when
    the power goes out due to a traffic accident or a bad storm, you may
    have found yourself outside in whatever shelter you can find from the
    storm holding a flashlight in your mouth while you clean the carburetor
    before you can use it.

    I've got three gas generators. They are good generators, and after last
    night they are all for sale.

    A while back I had the dumb idea to get a tri fuel generator, and just
    run it on propane. Never any residue left behind to gum it up. Close
    the valve when the power comes back on and hook your bottle back up to
    your barbeque grill. Okay I went a little further than that with a
    100lb gas bottle that should carry the generator at about 50% load for
    up to 16 hours according to the manual. It peaks at 13Kw on gasoline,
    but on propane they say it will only produce about 9Kw sustained. It
    also says you shouldn't run it over 50% capacity for the first 30 hours
    during breakin.

    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/20260921_075211.jpg

    The power went out yesterday. Reports said due to an auto accident.
    The initial couple hours estimated to repair didn't bother me. I would
    have been content to take care of some yard chores until the light level dropped to low, surf machining videos on my cell phone, and just leave
    the refrigerator and freezer doors closed, but the service restoral time
    kept getting pushed out.

    When I received the tri-fuel generator all I did was take it out of the
    box, put the wheel kit on it, put all the accessory items in a
    waterproof ammo can on top of the generator, and roll it in out of the
    sun. I didn't do anything to prep it. I didn't hook up the battery. I didn't put the battery maintainer on it. I didn't even put engine oil
    in it. Total elapsed time from rolling it up to the house to everything
    I wanted powered being powered was (or felt like) much less than the
    normal time to get one of my gas generators going after it's been
    setting for a year or more.

    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/20260921_075207.jpg

    It started right up.

    It is brand new (not any more I guess), so I didn't hook that much up.
    It's still in the break-in period. Two refrigerators, an upright
    freezer, and the power strip that our electric recliners plug into. The recliners have USB charging ports in the arm rests, so I was able to
    charge my phone to use as a wireless hot spot for my laptop. I added my laptop power supply and a fan to the power strip for the chairs and we
    were quite comfortable watching one of our regular TV series on Amazon
    Prime Video on the laptop.

    I did the basic power calculations in my head, and I could have
    certainly added some lights, and a couple medium size window air
    conditioners after it is broken in and can run full load. The temps
    were nice (after the sweat from hauling everything into place and
    running cords to everything dried up) so I didn't worry to much about
    air conditioning. A fan was more than enough.

    Would I recommend this particular model? Well not really. Its a Harbor Freight generator, but most other generators in the same size and configuration likely aren't much better. I expect if you use it like I
    do and change the oil after the initial break in it might last you
    decades. If you use it everyday all day long, well it's a relatively affordable Harbor Freight model. I'd probably go with a Honda or a
    Yamaha a generator instead. I have a Honda and a smaller Yamaha for
    sale by the way, I am sure both need the air filters and the carburetors cleaned again. LOL.

    All said and done I probably spent more time rolling up my heavy duty extension cords this morning than I did getting it going yesterday
    afternoon.

    Seriously though for my rare use for a few hours to a day or two at
    worst, it's probably perfectly fine. Maybe in five or ten years, after
    it gets broken in at this rate, I might change my mind.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Sep 21 16:42:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 9/21/2026 2:29 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS

    Long read, but maybe worth it

    Mine does too.-a If you are on jobs sites using it all the time it
    probably doesn't suck.-a If you have plenty of time to take care of everything exactly the way you are supposed to, it might not suck as
    much, but if like me, you use your generator once every year or two when
    the power goes out due to a traffic accident or a bad storm, you may
    have found yourself outside in whatever shelter you can find from the
    storm holding a flashlight in your mouth while you clean the carburetor before you can use it.

    I've got three gas generators. They are good generators, and after last night they are all for sale.

    A while back I had the dumb idea to get a tri fuel generator, and just
    run it on propane.-a Never any residue left behind to gum it up.-a Close
    the valve when the power comes back on and hook your bottle back up to
    your barbeque grill.-a Okay I went a little further than that with a
    100lb gas bottle that should carry the generator at about 50% load for
    up to 16 hours according to the manual.-a It peaks at 13Kw on gasoline,
    but on propane they say it will only produce about 9Kw sustained.-a It
    also says you shouldn't run it over 50% capacity for the first 30 hours during breakin.

    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/20260921_075211.jpg

    The power went out yesterday.-a Reports said due to an auto accident. The initial couple hours estimated to repair didn't bother me.-a I would have been content to take care of some yard chores until the light level
    dropped to low, surf machining videos on my cell phone, and just leave
    the refrigerator and freezer doors closed, but the service restoral time kept getting pushed out.

    When I received the tri-fuel generator all I did was take it out of the
    box, put the wheel kit on it, put all the accessory items in a
    waterproof ammo can on top of the generator, and roll it in out of the sun.-a I didn't do anything to prep it.-a I didn't hook up the battery.-a I didn't put the battery maintainer on it.-a I didn't even put engine oil
    in it.-a Total elapsed time from rolling it up to the house to everything
    I wanted powered being powered was (or felt like) much less than the
    normal time to get one of my gas generators going after it's been
    setting for a year or more.

    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/20260921_075207.jpg

    It started right up.

    It is brand new (not any more I guess), so I didn't hook that much up.
    It's still in the break-in period.-a Two refrigerators, an upright
    freezer, and the power strip that our electric recliners plug into.-a The recliners have USB charging ports in the arm rests, so I was able to
    charge my phone to use as a wireless hot spot for my laptop.-a I added my laptop power supply and a fan to the power strip for the chairs and we
    were quite comfortable watching one of our regular TV series on Amazon
    Prime Video on the laptop.

    I did the basic power calculations in my head, and I could have
    certainly added some lights, and a couple medium size window air conditioners after it is broken in and can run full load.-a The temps
    were nice (after the sweat from hauling everything into place and
    running cords to everything dried up) so I didn't worry to much about
    air conditioning.-a A fan was more than enough.

    Would I recommend this particular model?-a Well not really.-a Its a Harbor Freight generator, but most other generators in the same size and configuration likely aren't much better.-a I expect if you use it like I
    do and change the oil after the initial break in it might last you decades.-a If you use it everyday all day long, well it's a relatively affordable Harbor Freight model.-a I'd probably go with a Honda or a
    Yamaha a generator instead.-a I have a Honda and a smaller Yamaha for
    sale by the way, I am sure both need the air filters and the carburetors cleaned again.-a LOL.

    All said and done I probably spent more time rolling up my heavy duty extension cords this morning than I did getting it going yesterday afternoon.

    Seriously though for my rare use for a few hours to a day or two at
    worst, it's probably perfectly fine.-a Maybe in five or ten years, after
    it gets broken in at this rate, I might change my mind.



    I've considered getting a propane conversion for my Briggs 5500 . But
    I'd have to either wire in a transfer box at the main panel if I want to
    feed it from my 250 gallon tank , run a line up by the shop from said
    tank - and copper's expensive - or move my 100 lb bottle up by the shop
    . (I feed the main panel from the sub out in the shop)
    Since I'm pretty anal about running the carb dry it usually starts on
    the first or second pull . I keep the tank full of stabilized non
    ethanol gas to minimize condensation . I don't use it often , but when I
    need it I NEED it and since it's been reliable I hesitate to change
    things .
    --
    Snag
    I appreciated foreign cultures more
    when they stayed foreign ...
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Sep 23 07:34:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Snag" wrote in message news:118s8bh$94b9$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/21/2026 2:29 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS Mine does too. If you are on jobs sites using it all the time it probably doesn't suck. If you have plenty of time to take
    care of everything exactly the way you are supposed to, it might not suck
    as much, but if like me, you use your generator once every year or two
    when the power goes out due to a traffic accident or a bad storm, you may have found yourself outside in whatever shelter you can find from the
    storm holding a flashlight in your mouth while you clean the carburetor before you can use it.

    Since I'm pretty anal about running the carb dry it usually starts on
    the first or second pull . I keep the tank full of stabilized non
    ethanol gas to minimize condensation . I don't use it often , but when I
    need it I NEED it and since it's been reliable I hesitate to change
    things .
    Snag

    ---------------------------------
    I run the 1st model HF 61169 2500W Predator inverter genny dry after the periodic tests and made a tank pressurizer to prime the Honda EU1000i when filled from empty, and to push all the gas out the carb bowl drain after
    using it. The little Honda is stored indoors so I need to clear snow / ice from only a small area outside the garage door to use it after a storm. The cord comes in through the clothes dryer vent hole. It's powerful enough to recharge the batteries for an inverter that can start the refrigerator or
    run the microwave.

    One of my inverters is an APC1400 UPS with external 100Ah batteries that I plug the refrigerator into when a night storm that might take down the grid
    is predicted. The battery shipping disconnect Anderson connector on the rear panel is easily rewired to be a parallel input.

    The Predator is in the shed behind the house so I have to clear a path to
    use it, and also reach the firewood. It's inaudible from the street back there, especially in a sound enclosure made from fireproof suspended ceiling panels, and I might risk running it while I sleep. The Honda and a gallon of gas should be enough while I loudly clear the paths and driveway.

    Both start quickly and easily. The Honda is from the early 2000's and was running poorly when I bought it cheap at a flea market. Pressure-flushing
    the fuel system returned it to full performance.

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Sep 23 06:49:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 9/23/2026 6:34 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:118s8bh$94b9$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/21/2026 2:29 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS Mine does too.-a If you are on jobs sites using it
    all the time it probably doesn't suck.-a If you have plenty of time to
    take care of everything exactly the way you are supposed to, it might
    not suck as much, but if like me, you use your generator once every
    year or two when the power goes out due to a traffic accident or a bad
    storm, you may have found yourself outside in whatever shelter you can
    find from the storm holding a flashlight in your mouth while you clean
    the carburetor before you can use it.

    -a Since I'm pretty anal about running the carb dry it usually starts on
    the first or second pull . I keep the tank full of stabilized non
    ethanol gas to minimize condensation . I don't use it often , but when I
    need it I NEED it and since it's been reliable I hesitate to change
    things .
    Snag

    ---------------------------------
    I run the 1st model HF 61169 2500W Predator inverter genny dry after the periodic tests and made a tank pressurizer to prime the Honda EU1000i
    when filled from empty, and to push all the gas out the carb bowl drain after using it. The little Honda is stored indoors so I need to clear
    snow / ice from only a small area outside the garage door to use it
    after a storm. The cord comes in through the clothes dryer vent hole.
    It's powerful enough to recharge the batteries for an inverter that can start the refrigerator or run the microwave.

    One of my inverters is an APC1400 UPS with external 100Ah batteries that
    I plug the refrigerator into when a night storm that might take down the grid is predicted. The battery shipping disconnect Anderson connector on
    the rear panel is easily rewired to be a parallel input.

    The Predator is in the shed behind the house so I have to clear a path
    to use it, and also reach the firewood. It's inaudible from the street
    back there, especially in a sound enclosure made from fireproof
    suspended ceiling panels, and I might risk running it while I sleep. The Honda and a gallon of gas should be enough while I loudly clear the
    paths and driveway.

    Both start quickly and easily. The Honda is from the early 2000's and
    was running poorly when I bought it cheap at a flea market. Pressure-flushing the fuel system returned it to full performance.


    I find it amusing the things people toss out for the simplest problems .
    --
    Snag
    I appreciated foreign cultures more
    when they stayed foreign ...
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Sep 23 10:12:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Snag" wrote in message news:1190ed5$b7m6$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/23/2026 6:34 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    Both start quickly and easily. The Honda is from the early 2000's and was running poorly when I bought it cheap at a flea market. Pressure-flushing the fuel system returned it to full performance.


    I find it amusing the things people toss out for the simplest problems .
    Snag

    ----------------------------------
    I bought it and a 3KW Coleman that needed carb work at ham radio flea
    markets from sellers with at least electronic competence. For some of this
    old stuff I've needed to lathe turn larger main jets for ethanol gas. Make two, increase a drill size at a time until slightly too rich then step back.
    I learned the signs and smell of correct mixture on adjustable Mikuni and Keihin motorcycle carbs, and chainsaws. The lead-in taper should match the stock jet to have the same discharge coefficient, requiring a custom D bit.
    I also tuned my wood stove secondary heated air inlet for complete
    combustion; smoke-free exhaust that doesn't sting my eyes and smells
    fragrant.

    https://www.bbq-brethren.com/threads/using-red-oak.106023/
    "Normally, red oak is a great wood for smoking - especially beef. A lot of Brethren swear by it."

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  • From Bob La Londe@user16941@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Sep 23 14:40:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking


    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> posted:

    "Snag" wrote in message news:1190ed5$b7m6$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/23/2026 6:34 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    Both start quickly and easily. The Honda is from the early 2000's and was running poorly when I bought it cheap at a flea market. Pressure-flushing the fuel system returned it to full performance.


    I find it amusing the things people toss out for the simplest problems .
    Snag

    ----------------------------------
    I bought it and a 3KW Coleman that needed carb work at ham radio flea markets from sellers with at least electronic competence. For some of this old stuff I've needed to lathe turn larger main jets for ethanol gas. Make two, increase a drill size at a time until slightly too rich then step back. I learned the signs and smell of correct mixture on adjustable Mikuni and Keihin motorcycle carbs, and chainsaws. The lead-in taper should match the stock jet to have the same discharge coefficient, requiring a custom D bit. I also tuned my wood stove secondary heated air inlet for complete combustion; smoke-free exhaust that doesn't sting my eyes and smells fragrant.

    https://www.bbq-brethren.com/threads/using-red-oak.106023/
    "Normally, red oak is a great wood for smoking - especially beef. A lot of Brethren swear by it."


    When I quit contracting I threw thousands, if not, tens of thousands of dollars worth of new and good used equipment in the dumpster, because not dealing with tire kickers and nickel on dimers, churning my time was financially more beneficial than trying to sell the stuff.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From bp@bp@www.zefox.net to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Sep 23 15:50:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS

    Long read, but maybe worth it


    All said and done I probably spent more time rolling up my heavy duty extension cords this morning than I did getting it going yesterday afternoon.

    Seriously though for my rare use for a few hours to a day or two at
    worst, it's probably perfectly fine. Maybe in five or ten years, after
    it gets broken in at this rate, I might change my mind.

    It's unclear what you're objecting to, maybe the nuisance of handling
    extension cords? If so, a portable generator inlet receptacle takes
    most of that work away.

    Running the gasoline out of a carb isn't usually a difficult problem,
    am I missing something?

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Sep 23 12:30:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking



    BP wrote in message news:1190sgk$1tdnf$1@dont-email.me...

    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS

    Long read, but maybe worth it


    All said and done I probably spent more time rolling up my heavy duty extension cords this morning than I did getting it going yesterday
    afternoon.

    Seriously though for my rare use for a few hours to a day or two at
    worst, it's probably perfectly fine. Maybe in five or ten years, after
    it gets broken in at this rate, I might change my mind.

    It's unclear what you're objecting to, maybe the nuisance of handling
    extension cords? If so, a portable generator inlet receptacle takes
    most of that work away.

    Running the gasoline out of a carb isn't usually a difficult problem,
    am I missing something?

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

    --------------------------------
    It's unclear that he was objecting at all, just commenting on his new purchase.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Sep 24 15:15:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 9/23/2026 9:30 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:


    BP wrote in message news:1190sgk$1tdnf$1@dont-email.me...

    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS

    Long read, but maybe worth it


    All said and done I probably spent more time rolling up my heavy duty
    extension cords this morning than I did getting it going yesterday
    afternoon.

    Seriously though for my rare use for a few hours to a day or two at
    worst, it's probably perfectly fine.-a Maybe in five or ten years, after
    it gets broken in at this rate, I might change my mind.

    It's unclear what you're objecting to, maybe the nuisance of handling extension cords? If so, a portable generator inlet receptacle takes
    most of that work away.

    Running the gasoline out of a carb isn't usually a difficult problem,
    am I missing something?

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

    --------------------------------
    It's unclear that he was objecting at all, just commenting on his new purchase.


    Ah-yup.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Sep 25 14:07:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 9/24/2026 3:15 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 9:30 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:


    BP wrote in message news:1190sgk$1tdnf$1@dont-email.me...

    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS

    Long read, but maybe worth it


    All said and done I probably spent more time rolling up my heavy duty
    extension cords this morning than I did getting it going yesterday
    afternoon.

    Seriously though for my rare use for a few hours to a day or two at
    worst, it's probably perfectly fine.-a Maybe in five or ten years, after >>> it gets broken in at this rate, I might change my mind.

    It's unclear what you're objecting to, maybe the nuisance of handling
    extension cords? If so, a portable generator inlet receptacle takes
    most of that work away.

    Running the gasoline out of a carb isn't usually a difficult problem,
    am I missing something?

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

    --------------------------------
    It's unclear that he was objecting at all, just commenting on his new
    purchase.


    Ah-yup.


    The title was "clickbait." So far I like the convenience of running the tri-fuel generator on propane. Probably going to pick up a couple more
    100lb cylinders since I use propane for forge and foundry work as well.
    A 100lb cylinder won't ice up in the amount of time I usually have to
    run a project, and I don't have to play regulator games to get both
    burners (on the forge) burning properly with the modern safety valvea on
    the smaller cylinders. I'd pick up a 250lb, but they are more than 2.5
    times as expensive. Doesn't make sense except for the longer run time
    without changing bottles. If we had more frequent power outages I might anyway.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Clare Snyder@clare@snyder.on.ca to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Sep 25 20:55:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 14:07:56 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    On 9/24/2026 3:15 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 9:30 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:


    BP wrote in message news:1190sgk$1tdnf$1@dont-email.me...

    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
    YOUR GENERATOR SUCKS

    Long read, but maybe worth it


    All said and done I probably spent more time rolling up my heavy duty
    extension cords this morning than I did getting it going yesterday
    afternoon.

    Seriously though for my rare use for a few hours to a day or two at
    worst, it's probably perfectly fine.a Maybe in five or ten years, after >>>> it gets broken in at this rate, I might change my mind.

    It's unclear what you're objecting to, maybe the nuisance of handling
    extension cords? If so, a portable generator inlet receptacle takes
    most of that work away.

    Running the gasoline out of a carb isn't usually a difficult problem,
    am I missing something?

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

    --------------------------------
    It's unclear that he was objecting at all, just commenting on his new
    purchase.


    Ah-yup.


    The title was "clickbait." So far I like the convenience of running the >tri-fuel generator on propane. Probably going to pick up a couple more >100lb cylinders since I use propane for forge and foundry work as well.
    A 100lb cylinder won't ice up in the amount of time I usually have to
    run a project, and I don't have to play regulator games to get both
    burners (on the forge) burning properly with the modern safety valvea on
    the smaller cylinders. I'd pick up a 250lb, but they are more than 2.5 >times as expensive. Doesn't make sense except for the longer run time >without changing bottles. If we had more frequent power outages I might >anyway.
    For long outages I'll just ration my power a bit and run mine on
    natural gas.I only get 5500 watts on NG, but that's enough to "live"
    on.
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