• donut spare and AWD

    From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Sep 19 20:27:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    A large part of why I'm fixing the AWD 2000 CRV is its very conveniently
    rear hatch mounted full sized spare tire, like its twin the Gen 1 Land Rover Freelander. I made a backup camera mount that the spare tire slides onto, simplifying putting it on. A yearly 5 tire rotation requires jacking each wheel only once, spare to right rear, RR moves to RF, RF moves to LR, LR
    moves to LF, LF becomes the spare. While the wheel is off I check the brakes and spray LPS-3 rust inhibitor underneath.

    I drive over 100 miles for winter holidays and tax filing, too often in New England snowy or icy weather. That exceeds the distance rating for a donut spare and I think one could make the car swerve when braking on slippery pavement. I learned not to have good winter tires on only the front of a FWD car in winter when I went all around a cloverleaf loop almost sideways.

    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? I've been
    looking at new ones in case I can't buy or make parts to fix the CRV. It
    isn't always evident if the tire storage area is big enough or can be
    modified to take a full sized tire. My last flat tire was on the day before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.


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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Sep 19 23:24:47 2026
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    On 9/19/2026 7:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    A large part of why I'm fixing the AWD 2000 CRV is its very conveniently rear hatch mounted full sized spare tire, like its twin the Gen 1 Land
    Rover Freelander. I made a backup camera mount that the spare tire
    slides onto, simplifying putting it on. A yearly 5 tire rotation
    requires jacking each wheel only once, spare to right rear, RR moves to
    RF, RF moves to LR, LR moves to LF, LF becomes the spare. While the
    wheel is off I check the brakes and spray LPS-3 rust inhibitor underneath.

    I drive over 100 miles for winter holidays and tax filing, too often in
    New England snowy or icy weather. That exceeds the distance rating for a donut spare and I think one could make the car swerve when braking on slippery pavement. I learned not to have good winter tires on only the
    front of a FWD car in winter when I went all around a cloverleaf loop
    almost sideways.

    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? I've been looking at new ones in case I can't buy or make parts to fix the CRV. It isn't always evident if the tire storage area is big enough or can be modified to take a full sized tire. My last flat tire was on the day
    before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.



    I drive a 27 year old 4Runner , the spare has never touched the
    ground AFAIK . It's 4X4 with A/T tires and if it's icy and I HAVE to get
    out of The Holler - uphill almost all the way and steep in sections - I
    have chains for all 4 wheels . Got 'em for the '86 GMC pickup too ,
    though it's so light in the back it could be dicey - this truck was not "built" for slick roads .
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  • From Bob La Londe@user16941@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Sep 20 11:44:47 2026
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    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> posted:

    On 9/19/2026 7:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    A large part of why I'm fixing the AWD 2000 CRV is its very conveniently rear hatch mounted full sized spare tire, like its twin the Gen 1 Land Rover Freelander. I made a backup camera mount that the spare tire
    slides onto, simplifying putting it on. A yearly 5 tire rotation
    requires jacking each wheel only once, spare to right rear, RR moves to RF, RF moves to LR, LR moves to LF, LF becomes the spare. While the
    wheel is off I check the brakes and spray LPS-3 rust inhibitor underneath.

    I drive over 100 miles for winter holidays and tax filing, too often in New England snowy or icy weather. That exceeds the distance rating for a donut spare and I think one could make the car swerve when braking on slippery pavement. I learned not to have good winter tires on only the front of a FWD car in winter when I went all around a cloverleaf loop almost sideways.

    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? I've been looking at new ones in case I can't buy or make parts to fix the CRV. It isn't always evident if the tire storage area is big enough or can be modified to take a full sized tire. My last flat tire was on the day before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.



    I drive a 27 year old 4Runner , the spare has never touched the
    ground AFAIK . It's 4X4 with A/T tires and if it's icy and I HAVE to get
    out of The Holler - uphill almost all the way and steep in sections - I
    have chains for all 4 wheels . Got 'em for the '86 GMC pickup too ,
    though it's so light in the back it could be dicey - this truck was not "built" for slick roads .

    WHAT? You don't throw a couple of bags of sand in the bed in the wintertime? I thought that was old school country standard wintertime practice in snow country.

    Maybe that's just something else. Desert dwellers learned driving in sand and accidentally discovered also works in snow.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Sep 20 07:51:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Snag" wrote in message news:118nn6d$2qvge$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/19/2026 7:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? ...
    My last flat tire was on the day before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.


    I drive a 27 year old 4Runner , the spare has never touched the
    ground AFAIK . It's 4X4 with A/T tires and if it's icy and I HAVE to get
    out of The Holler - uphill almost all the way and steep in sections - I
    have chains for all 4 wheels . Got 'em for the '86 GMC pickup too ,
    though it's so light in the back it could be dicey - this truck was not
    "built" for slick roads .
    Snag

    ------------------------------

    The spare on my 91 Ranger is also original and unused. I've had a few punctures and a sidewall bubble on the CRV. Springtime day thawing and night freezing causes a lot of potholes that bounce vehicles around and can't be properly repaired until warmer weather. I find lost car parts and tools at
    the front edge of my yard, mostly plastic but some metal.

    The most recent puncture appears to be from a staple on a phone pole poster.
    I didn't see it against oncoming headlights but heard the brief flapping
    after passing over a depressed manhole cover. The repair shop had to demount the tire to find the wire on the inside, soap didn't accurately locate it
    from outside.

    Here the risk may be low but the consequences high on a cold winter holiday night with nothing open. My one experience with AAA wasn't encouraging, no
    one was available locally and the eventual unhappy responder came from 40 miles away. I hope the blankets and orange winter hunting coat and coveralls
    I keep in the car will be enough to sleep in it overnight. The seats fold
    down into a bed, another practical feature dropped on newer models, along
    with a roof high enough to not bump my head getting in and out and untinted side windows that show traffic alongside in poor light.

    I bought the factory shop manuals for my vehicles and can perform the operations in it without a computer's permission. That's another large
    factor.

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  • From Bob La Londe@user16941@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Sep 20 13:54:39 2026
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    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> posted:

    "Snag" wrote in message news:118nn6d$2qvge$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/19/2026 7:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? ...
    My last flat tire was on the day before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.


    I drive a 27 year old 4Runner , the spare has never touched the
    ground AFAIK . It's 4X4 with A/T tires and if it's icy and I HAVE to get
    out of The Holler - uphill almost all the way and steep in sections - I
    have chains for all 4 wheels . Got 'em for the '86 GMC pickup too ,
    though it's so light in the back it could be dicey - this truck was not "built" for slick roads .
    Snag

    ------------------------------

    The spare on my 91 Ranger is also original and unused. I've had a few punctures and a sidewall bubble on the CRV. Springtime day thawing and night freezing causes a lot of potholes that bounce vehicles around and can't be properly repaired until warmer weather. I find lost car parts and tools at the front edge of my yard, mostly plastic but some metal.

    The most recent puncture appears to be from a staple on a phone pole poster. I didn't see it against oncoming headlights but heard the brief flapping after passing over a depressed manhole cover. The repair shop had to demount the tire to find the wire on the inside, soap didn't accurately locate it from outside.

    Here the risk may be low but the consequences high on a cold winter holiday night with nothing open. My one experience with AAA wasn't encouraging, no one was available locally and the eventual unhappy responder came from 40 miles away. I hope the blankets and orange winter hunting coat and coveralls I keep in the car will be enough to sleep in it overnight. The seats fold down into a bed, another practical feature dropped on newer models, along with a roof high enough to not bump my head getting in and out and untinted side windows that show traffic alongside in poor light.

    I bought the factory shop manuals for my vehicles and can perform the operations in it without a computer's permission. That's another large factor.


    I'm a big fan of full size spairs, but there is something to be said for a run flat donut, when you consider how poorly most people think about anything other than their immediate task.

    My wife no longer has the physical ability to change a tire, so she's gonna call road service, or she's gonna call me anyway, but I see the appeal for general safety of a donut if it is actually run flat.

    My truck and the Jeep (yes I bought another jeep) both have full sized spairs. I don't know about the Nissan that was my dad's car, but i'm trading that that in on the Jeep anyway. Actually, I'm pretty sure it has a donut. I have lifted the cover and looked before.

    The other good safety reason for vehicles having a doughnut for a spare is it's more likely people will get the flat fixed instead of just driving on their spare until they have two flats.

    My wife ordered a Tesla long range model 3 AWD, but it isn't here yet. I have no idea what type of spair its going to have.

    I seem to vaguely recall one of the new cars we had didn't come with a spare. It just came with an air compressor. We did pick up a spare for it.

    No I didn't buy a brand new jeep. Starting with the JL model in 2018, Stellantis managed to totally enshitify the line. I bought another 2017 JK to replace the 2017 JK I sold. It's actually got lower miles than the one I sold. But the big difference is it instead of two doors. It's not quite as capable being longer off highway, but it's more capable for mall, crawling with the family.
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    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Sep 20 08:39:15 2026
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    On 9/20/2026 6:54 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    My wife ordered a Tesla long range model 3 AWD, but it isn't here yet. I have no idea what type of spair its going to have.

    I looked it up. No spare. Just road side assistance and/or repair kit.

    It's actually got lower miles than the one I sold. But the big difference is it instead of two doors *** IT HAS FOUR DOORS ***. It's not quite as capable being longer off highway, but it's more capable for mall crawling with the family.

    Technically that means its not a JK. Its a JKU.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Sep 20 13:54:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:118oun4$7e8a$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/20/2026 6:54 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    My wife ordered a Tesla long range model 3 AWD, but it isn't here yet. I have no idea what type of spair its going to have.

    I looked it up. No spare. Just road side assistance and/or repair kit.

    It's actually got lower miles than the one I sold. But the big difference
    is it instead of two doors *** IT HAS FOUR DOORS ***. It's not quite as capable being longer off highway, but it's more capable for mall crawling with the family.

    Technically that means its not a JK. Its a JKU.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

    -------------------------------------

    I drove an Army M151 Jeep on the German Autobahn which is definitely not
    where they belong. They were prone to flipping on winding back roads BMWs
    were born for. My VW Beetle could reach any field radio site the trucks and vans could and unlike military vehicles be inconspicuously left locked
    outside a village Gasthaus (inn) overnight. For exploring the back country I prefer a dirt bike that can follow a footpath to a fishing spot or travel at least a short ways on the Interstate.

    When I bought the Ranger a friend got a Jeep and we rode around in each others'. I silently felt the Ranger was the better choice in commuter
    traffic and quite adequate for my firewood logging on narrow forest trails though I had to plan where to turn it around.

    Now that the sandpits and woods I used to play in are all shopping malls and housing developments an AWD SUV that can handle snow and ice seems a better choice, for instance a Jeep Compass which I liked except for the
    head-bumping low roof. I really need a solid roof with a rack to carry long loads found by chance, the worst being 300 Lbs of surplus steel channel to build my sawmill. The longest was 21' fence tubing sections for antenna
    masts. The CRV carried both, the pickup could have. The Ranger's 7' bed brought two inherited Sears garden tractors home from Maine. All things considered they are right for my needs except for being so old. Most of the problems they did have arose from road salt corrosion.

    I've been told that short Jeeps are very tricky on ice because they spin so easily and quickly. If forced to slide the CRV straightens itself out, the Ranger doesn't but is recoverable due to much practice, some on motorcycles and tail-heavy Beetles.

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Sep 20 20:58:15 2026
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    On 9/20/2026 6:44 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:

    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> posted:

    On 9/19/2026 7:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    A large part of why I'm fixing the AWD 2000 CRV is its very conveniently >>> rear hatch mounted full sized spare tire, like its twin the Gen 1 Land
    Rover Freelander. I made a backup camera mount that the spare tire
    slides onto, simplifying putting it on. A yearly 5 tire rotation
    requires jacking each wheel only once, spare to right rear, RR moves to
    RF, RF moves to LR, LR moves to LF, LF becomes the spare. While the
    wheel is off I check the brakes and spray LPS-3 rust inhibitor underneath. >>>
    I drive over 100 miles for winter holidays and tax filing, too often in
    New England snowy or icy weather. That exceeds the distance rating for a >>> donut spare and I think one could make the car swerve when braking on
    slippery pavement. I learned not to have good winter tires on only the
    front of a FWD car in winter when I went all around a cloverleaf loop
    almost sideways.

    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? I've been
    looking at new ones in case I can't buy or make parts to fix the CRV. It >>> isn't always evident if the tire storage area is big enough or can be
    modified to take a full sized tire. My last flat tire was on the day
    before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.



    I drive a 27 year old 4Runner , the spare has never touched the
    ground AFAIK . It's 4X4 with A/T tires and if it's icy and I HAVE to get
    out of The Holler - uphill almost all the way and steep in sections - I
    have chains for all 4 wheels . Got 'em for the '86 GMC pickup too ,
    though it's so light in the back it could be dicey - this truck was not
    "built" for slick roads .

    WHAT? You don't throw a couple of bags of sand in the bed in the wintertime? I thought that was old school country standard wintertime practice in snow country.

    Maybe that's just something else. Desert dwellers learned driving in sand and accidentally discovered also works in snow.



    Concrete blocks and rocks . We have lots and lots of rocks here .
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  • From Gerry@geraldrmiller@yahoo.ca to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Sep 20 23:22:58 2026
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    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:44:47 GMT, Bob La Londe <user16941@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> posted:

    On 9/19/2026 7:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    A large part of why I'm fixing the AWD 2000 CRV is its very conveniently >> > rear hatch mounted full sized spare tire, like its twin the Gen 1 Land
    Rover Freelander. I made a backup camera mount that the spare tire
    slides onto, simplifying putting it on. A yearly 5 tire rotation
    requires jacking each wheel only once, spare to right rear, RR moves to >> > RF, RF moves to LR, LR moves to LF, LF becomes the spare. While the
    wheel is off I check the brakes and spray LPS-3 rust inhibitor underneath. >> >
    I drive over 100 miles for winter holidays and tax filing, too often in >> > New England snowy or icy weather. That exceeds the distance rating for a >> > donut spare and I think one could make the car swerve when braking on
    slippery pavement. I learned not to have good winter tires on only the
    front of a FWD car in winter when I went all around a cloverleaf loop
    almost sideways.

    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? I've been
    looking at new ones in case I can't buy or make parts to fix the CRV. It >> > isn't always evident if the tire storage area is big enough or can be
    modified to take a full sized tire. My last flat tire was on the day
    before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.



    I drive a 27 year old 4Runner , the spare has never touched the
    ground AFAIK . It's 4X4 with A/T tires and if it's icy and I HAVE to get
    out of The Holler - uphill almost all the way and steep in sections - I
    have chains for all 4 wheels . Got 'em for the '86 GMC pickup too ,
    though it's so light in the back it could be dicey - this truck was not
    "built" for slick roads .

    WHAT? You don't throw a couple of bags of sand in the bed in the wintertime? I thought that was old school country standard wintertime practice in snow country.

    Maybe that's just something else. Desert dwellers learned driving in sand and accidentally discovered also works in snow.
    In the case of the family car I learned to drive on (1931 model "A"
    tudor), to get extra weight on the chained rear wheels, Dad would have
    me stand on the bumperettes and hang onto a rope through the rear
    windows. We could go pretty much anywhere!
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Sep 21 09:13:10 2026
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    "Gerry" wrote in message news:7c81bllp47ksnh22du35u9oop0tflrj728@4ax.com...

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:44:47 GMT, Bob La Londe <user16941@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    WHAT? You don't throw a couple of bags of sand in the bed in the >wintertime? I thought that was old school country standard wintertime >practice in snow country.

    Maybe that's just something else. Desert dwellers learned driving in sand >and accidentally discovered also works in snow.
    In the case of the family car I learned to drive on (1931 model "A"
    tudor), to get extra weight on the chained rear wheels, Dad would have
    me stand on the bumperettes and hang onto a rope through the rear
    windows. We could go pretty much anywhere!

    -----------------------------------

    I didn't want weight in the bed of the truck that couldn't be lashed down
    well enough to not crash through the rear window if I slid into anything. In MA rush hour commuting a breakdown or crash on a divided highway suddenly
    jams traffic on the other side. The subtext of TV food bank ads is that many MA residents aren't competent to even feed themselves.

    While trying to learn to race on ice I had developed the reflexes to keep
    the front wheels rolling straight ahead when the rear slid out. I wasn't nearly competitive but I did learn the sort of maneuvers at 10 MPH that they do at 60, and this: https://americancop.com/bootleg-turns-escaping-the-kill-zone/
    Usually I held the beer while others showed off. These skills and good
    winter tires saved me from crashing several times on icy pavement.

    At the motorcycle club's ice racing events many of the spectators would be
    in leg casts from crashes. For me the hardest skill they taught was Trials, which requires much better balance than I have. I can't balance stationary
    on two wheels, never mind one and then pivot sideways to tap a boulder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_trials
    https://www.netra.org/


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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Sep 21 12:26:44 2026
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    On 9/20/2026 8:22 PM, Gerry wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:44:47 GMT, Bob La Londe <user16941@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> posted:

    On 9/19/2026 7:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    A large part of why I'm fixing the AWD 2000 CRV is its very conveniently >>>> rear hatch mounted full sized spare tire, like its twin the Gen 1 Land >>>> Rover Freelander. I made a backup camera mount that the spare tire
    slides onto, simplifying putting it on. A yearly 5 tire rotation
    requires jacking each wheel only once, spare to right rear, RR moves to >>>> RF, RF moves to LR, LR moves to LF, LF becomes the spare. While the
    wheel is off I check the brakes and spray LPS-3 rust inhibitor underneath. >>>>
    I drive over 100 miles for winter holidays and tax filing, too often in >>>> New England snowy or icy weather. That exceeds the distance rating for a >>>> donut spare and I think one could make the car swerve when braking on
    slippery pavement. I learned not to have good winter tires on only the >>>> front of a FWD car in winter when I went all around a cloverleaf loop
    almost sideways.

    What do you do about the lack of a decent spare on new cars? I've been >>>> looking at new ones in case I can't buy or make parts to fix the CRV. It >>>> isn't always evident if the tire storage area is big enough or can be
    modified to take a full sized tire. My last flat tire was on the day
    before the 2025 Thanksgiving trip.



    I drive a 27 year old 4Runner , the spare has never touched the
    ground AFAIK . It's 4X4 with A/T tires and if it's icy and I HAVE to get >>> out of The Holler - uphill almost all the way and steep in sections - I
    have chains for all 4 wheels . Got 'em for the '86 GMC pickup too ,
    though it's so light in the back it could be dicey - this truck was not
    "built" for slick roads .

    WHAT? You don't throw a couple of bags of sand in the bed in the wintertime? I thought that was old school country standard wintertime practice in snow country.

    Maybe that's just something else. Desert dwellers learned driving in sand and accidentally discovered also works in snow.
    In the case of the family car I learned to drive on (1931 model "A"
    tudor), to get extra weight on the chained rear wheels, Dad would have
    me stand on the bumperettes and hang onto a rope through the rear
    windows. We could go pretty much anywhere!

    I've seen many a pickup truck wallowing its way out the sand with three
    bubbas hanging onto the tail gate jumping up and down on the back
    bumper. Its marginal but it sometimes works.

    In my first car I used to keep two bags of cement in the trunk for
    desert running. One of my buddies once asked me what those were for. I
    told him those are for when you piss me off if I can find some water
    deep enough.
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    CNC Molds N Stuff
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