• Snake Oil

    From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat May 16 15:16:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    When it comes to cutting have you ever seen anybody demonstrate clearly
    in front of you in an observable manner that one cutting oil is better
    than another?

    I've been a big fan of Tap Magic for a long time, and I honestly don't remember how long its been since I changed the 1/4-20 tap in my cordless
    drill or the 10-32 tap in the tapping head in my mid size drill press.
    Only a drop or two in a hole often makes the difference between slipping
    the clutch and tapping cleanly in one go without adjusting the clutch.
    (DON'T ADJUST THE CLUTCH.)

    That being said I've been just using whatever is handy lately. Tapping milling, drilling, turning, parting, and saw cutting... whatever. Tap
    Magic, Rapid Tap, Ridgid Dark Thread Cutting oil, or WD-40. When I was a
    kid all I often had was 3 in 1 oil so that's what I used for drilling.

    I think I am leaning towards Ridgid Dark Thread Cutting Oil for
    everything (well everything that doesn't get flood coolant). Its cheap
    and it seems to just work. Its less than $30 a gallon retail.
    Industrial suppliers charge more, but if they do that there is always
    the local hardware store or even a box store, and they often deliver
    same day. Sometimes for free.

    I didn't plan to use the Dark Thread Cutting Oil. I had about a half
    gallon I had grabbed with some other stuff last time I was in my dad's
    old shop and it was just sitting there. I first used it on the lathe
    turning and parting some 4140QT. My only complaint is the smoke, but if
    I crack the back overhead door a few inches, and one of the front
    overhead doors I get cross ventilation pretty much all the time. I was
    just using it because it was there.

    There is an unopened gallon jug of Tap Magic on the floor next to my
    desk I ordered a while back, but before it arrived I just started using
    the Ridgid Dark Thread Cutting oil, and haven't gotten around to filling
    my Tap Magic oil bottles back up yet.

    Back in my teens I used a lot of that Ridgid cutting oil standing out
    back of our hardware store in the sun power threading pipe with a pipe
    drive. Soak it with a few squirts of oil and thread it in one press of
    the foot peddle. I bet I was using about 100 times more oil than was
    really needed. LOL. Never broke a die, and never wiped the threads on
    a pipe though.


    *** Another kind of snake oil ***

    In lead castings there is an old saw about using candle smoke as a mold release. Its been going around like it was the magic sauce for well
    over 40 years that I know of. The thing is lead doesn't stick to
    aluminum molds. Maybe the stingy coat of soot acts as a minuscule
    insulator to slow the freeze by a fraction of a second. Maybe it acts
    as a lubricant on castings that don't have any draft angle, but I never
    felt it was worth the trouble. Then people started touting Frankford
    Arsenal Dropout. Its a graphite spray that works about the same as
    candle smoke as near as I can tell. Maybe marginally better, but that
    may just because its easier to get a tiny bit thicker more uniform
    coating. People also claims both work for molds that are difficult to
    fill. Maybe, but I think any help there is more along the lines of the
    mold is hotter on the second or third pour when they finally get around
    to spraying in their mold release. I can tell you that I don't see any difference between Frankford Arsenal Drop Out, and generic hardware
    store graphite spray lube in performance. I have both.

    You want to know the real magic sauce for lead casting molds that are difficult to pour? Baby powder. The old stuff with real ultra fine
    talcum powder. The new stuff with corn starch I am told works, but I
    have not tried it. I still have a stock of the "good" stuff that got
    Johnson and Johnson sued over inflated asbestos claims. A lot of molds
    that just wouldn't pour will pour and even flash when lightly dusted
    with fine talcum powder and the loose powder blown away or dumped out.
    It might act as an insulator maybe, but what I think really happens is
    there is no carrier to stick the particles to the mold. I think the
    fine particles break up the surface tension of the lead and allow it to
    flow out better like rain on a dirty car.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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