• 16 Holes

    From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Apr 29 19:28:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    I've been letting a couple of the guys from the college BAJA SAE team
    machine some parts in my shop the last few days.

    I had an idea to make a useful tool for bottom clamping large parts to
    allow almost full access. A more flexible version of the edge clamping
    system I use for mold making fixture plates. Of course I had to make
    it... all on the manual South Bend mill. Not one bit of CNC involved.
    I made the bulk of it from 4140. Then I tapped 16 holes in 4140 without breaking a single tap. I powered tapped them... with a hand tap.

    As I was tapping the 15th and 16th hole I was already thinking about
    coming to the group to brag about it, and knowing I should shut down
    that way of think, because if I didn't I would surely break a tap off in
    the last hole.

    Two of the guys who were babysitting the CNC mill they were using walked
    out of the CNC machine room as I was lining up on hole 16 and I asked
    them, "Are you ready to see me break a tap off in a hole?"

    Of course when they found out what I was making they wanted it for that freaking monolith of aluminum they are turning into mostly chips and a
    gear case. Just coincidentally it would be a hundred times better than
    the strap clamps they are using now.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Apr 29 19:30:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 4/29/2026 7:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I've been letting a couple of the guys from the college BAJA SAE team machine some parts in my shop the last few days.

    I had an idea to make a useful tool for bottom clamping large parts to
    allow almost full access.-a A more flexible version of the edge clamping system I use for mold making fixture plates.-a Of course I had to make
    it... all on the manual South Bend mill.-a Not one bit of CNC involved. I made the bulk of it from 4140.-a Then I tapped 16 holes in 4140 without breaking a single tap.-a I powered tapped them... with a hand tap.

    As I was tapping the 15th and 16th hole I was already thinking about
    coming to the group to brag about it, and knowing I should shut down
    that way of think, because if I didn't I would surely break a tap off in
    the last hole.

    Two of the guys who were babysitting the CNC mill they were using walked
    out of the CNC machine room as I was lining up on hole 16 and I asked
    them, "Are you ready to see me break a tap off in a hole?"

    Of course when they found out what I was making they wanted it for that freaking monolith of aluminum they are turning into mostly chips and a
    gear case.-a Just coincidentally it would be a hundred times better than
    the strap clamps they are using now.



    P.S. I cheated and went with only 60% thread form.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Apr 29 23:21:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 4/29/2026 9:30 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 4/29/2026 7:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I've been letting a couple of the guys from the college BAJA SAE team
    machine some parts in my shop the last few days.

    I had an idea to make a useful tool for bottom clamping large parts to
    allow almost full access.-a A more flexible version of the edge
    clamping system I use for mold making fixture plates.-a Of course I had
    to make it... all on the manual South Bend mill.-a Not one bit of CNC
    involved. I made the bulk of it from 4140.-a Then I tapped 16 holes in
    4140 without breaking a single tap.-a I powered tapped them... with a
    hand tap.

    As I was tapping the 15th and 16th hole I was already thinking about
    coming to the group to brag about it, and knowing I should shut down
    that way of think, because if I didn't I would surely break a tap off
    in the last hole.

    Two of the guys who were babysitting the CNC mill they were using
    walked out of the CNC machine room as I was lining up on hole 16 and I
    asked them, "Are you ready to see me break a tap off in a hole?"

    Of course when they found out what I was making they wanted it for
    that freaking monolith of aluminum they are turning into mostly chips
    and a gear case.-a Just coincidentally it would be a hundred times
    better than the strap clamps they are using now.



    P.S.-a I cheated and went with only 60% thread form.


    OHMIGOD ! The ones that don't strip right off are going to gall and
    seize ! Oh , wait , did you say 4140 ? Never mind .

    I'm sure it's just pure coincidence that you're doing this just as
    those up-and-coming machinist/engineer/ etc kids are in need of just
    such an apparatus ... I was going to say something sappy , but I'll just
    say good on you and keep it up .
    --
    Snag
    I appreciated foreign cultures more
    when they stayed foreign ...
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Apr 30 07:52:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Snag" wrote in message news:10sulch$2nl4i$1@dont-email.me...

    On 4/29/2026 9:30 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 4/29/2026 7:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Then I tapped 16 holes in 4140 without breaking a single tap. I powered
    tapped them... with a hand tap.

    -----------------------------
    That's a mark of an experienced professional.

    I go the taper, plug, bottoming route for difficult ones, like holes in
    grade 5 and 8 bolts.

    When building custom machinery we had to tap the pre-punched mounting rails
    in shop-made 12 gauge steel relay racks. I used a Milwaukee drill freehand
    and retired the 10-32 taps after each 1000 holes.

    Now they are called server racks. The hole pattern spacing alternates
    between 1/2" and 5/8" apart, lots of holes per rack. https://www.budind.com/racks-cabinets-relay-racks/?

    At Mitre the shop preferred thread forming taps for 6061 aluminum. I had to
    be careful starting the screws the first time because sometimes the
    rolled-up thread flanks were incompletely closed and would catch the thread. Apparently the fix was reducing the drill size.

    Custom machined RF-tight enclosures for microwave circuits were somewhat
    like molds. They may have shelves part way down to mount the circuit board, and inner walls to isolate circuit sections, avoid unwanted resonant
    cavities or heat-sink power components. The screws were small and closely spaced because areas where the box and cover don't make good contact can radiate as antennas. https://www.gquipment.com/rf-enclosures/14-rf-enclosure-mini-aluminium-with-mounting-flange.html

    This shows what tax collectors and spies can learn from unshielded circuits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_detector_van

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Britain/comments/15h7i1c/they_must_be_better_equipped_than_mi5_does_anyone/#lightbox


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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Apr 30 16:33:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 4/30/2026 4:52 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:10sulch$2nl4i$1@dont-email.me...

    On 4/29/2026 9:30 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 4/29/2026 7:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Then I tapped 16 holes in 4140 without breaking a single tap.-a I
    powered tapped them... with a hand tap.

    -----------------------------
    That's a mark of an experienced professional.

    I go the taper, plug, bottoming route for difficult ones, like holes in grade 5 and 8 bolts.

    When building custom machinery we had to tap the pre-punched mounting
    rails in shop-made 12 gauge steel relay racks. I used a Milwaukee drill freehand and retired the 10-32 taps after each 1000 holes.

    Now they are called server racks. The hole pattern spacing alternates between 1/2" and 5/8" apart, lots of holes per rack. https://www.budind.com/racks-cabinets-relay-racks/?

    I used, worked on, and installed a lot of 19 inch equipment racks when I
    was contracting. I've got an "expensive cabinet/rack sitting outside
    rusting right now.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From David Billington@djb@invalid.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri May 1 02:27:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 01/05/2026 00:33, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 4/30/2026 4:52 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:10sulch$2nl4i$1@dont-email.me...

    On 4/29/2026 9:30 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 4/29/2026 7:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Then I tapped 16 holes in 4140 without breaking a single tap.-a I
    powered tapped them... with a hand tap.

    -----------------------------
    That's a mark of an experienced professional.

    I go the taper, plug, bottoming route for difficult ones, like holes
    in grade 5 and 8 bolts.

    When building custom machinery we had to tap the pre-punched mounting
    rails in shop-made 12 gauge steel relay racks. I used a Milwaukee
    drill freehand and retired the 10-32 taps after each 1000 holes.

    Now they are called server racks. The hole pattern spacing alternates
    between 1/2" and 5/8" apart, lots of holes per rack.
    https://www.budind.com/racks-cabinets-relay-racks/?

    I used, worked on, and installed a lot of 19 inch equipment racks when
    I was contracting.-a I've got an "expensive cabinet/rack sitting
    outside rusting right now.


    I've got one in my living room that I bought from a work colleague whose
    wife didn't like it, I use it as my drink and glass cabinet. It has a
    front door with-apolycarbonate? window-aand ball bearing runners for all
    the shelves, I replaced the metal shelves with laminated glass and
    fitted mirror panels to the sides and rear panel, and a lock for when
    friends visited with their younger kids. Not to everyonerCOs taste but it works for me.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Apr 30 19:40:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 4/30/2026 4:52 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    I used a Milwaukee drill freehand and retired the 10-32 taps after each
    1000 holes.


    I have my old Milwauke drill on the back bench with a 1/4-20 machine tap chucked up all the time. I've lost track of how many holes it has tapped.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Apr 30 19:43:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 4/29/2026 7:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I've been letting a couple of the guys from the college BAJA SAE team machine some parts in my shop the last few days.

    I had an idea to make a useful tool for bottom clamping large parts to
    allow almost full access.-a A more flexible version of the edge clamping system I use for mold making fixture plates.-a Of course I had to make
    it... all on the manual South Bend mill.-a Not one bit of CNC involved. I made the bulk of it from 4140.-a Then I tapped 16 holes in 4140 without breaking a single tap.-a I powered tapped them... with a hand tap.

    As I was tapping the 15th and 16th hole I was already thinking about
    coming to the group to brag about it, and knowing I should shut down
    that way of think, because if I didn't I would surely break a tap off in
    the last hole.

    Two of the guys who were babysitting the CNC mill they were using walked
    out of the CNC machine room as I was lining up on hole 16 and I asked
    them, "Are you ready to see me break a tap off in a hole?"

    Of course when they found out what I was making they wanted it for that freaking monolith of aluminum they are turning into mostly chips and a
    gear case.-a Just coincidentally it would be a hundred times better than
    the strap clamps they are using now.



    Fixed side: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/20260430_193523.jpg

    Clamping Side: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/20260430_193527.jpg

    A Similar Fixture I use Everyday: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/20260430_193601.jpg

    My Original Infinity Vise: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/20260430_193631.jpg

    You guys probably saw the Original Infinity Vise back when I made it
    years ago.
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    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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