• It happen but 1/2 block from home

    From Mark J cleary@mcleary08@comcast.net to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 12:57:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going harder but cold weather
    see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with some pot holes.
    I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens right. Sure enough I look
    down and the right front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. My guess
    is a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll another 1/2
    block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the Catrike so a
    flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can live with. I have a
    feeling though changing inner tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on
    the road.
    --
    Deacon Mark

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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 13:16:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually
    at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going
    harder but cold weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with
    some pot holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens
    right. Sure enough I look down and the right front 20 inch
    tire on the catrike went flat. My guess is a pitch flat but
    on a trike pretty easy to just roll another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can
    live with. I have a feeling though changing inner tubes is
    not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    You'll discover one feature of tricycles in that stub-axle
    wheels can change rubber without removing the wheel from the
    vehicle. Bonus!
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 13:21:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually
    at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going
    harder but cold weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with
    some pot holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens
    right. Sure enough I look down and the right front 20 inch
    tire on the catrike went flat. My guess is a pitch flat but
    on a trike pretty easy to just roll another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can
    live with. I have a feeling though changing inner tubes is
    not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 13:23:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually
    at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was
    going harder but cold weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with
    some pot holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that
    happens right. Sure enough I look down and the right front
    20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. My guess is a pitch
    flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll another 1/2
    block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can
    live with. I have a feeling though changing inner tubes is
    not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm



    oops, typo.
    Seven minutes.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From Mark J cleary@mcleary08@comcast.net to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 13:58:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually at 59
    degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going harder but cold
    weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with some pot
    holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens right. Sure enough
    I look down and the right front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat.
    My guess is a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll
    another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the Catrike so a
    flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can live with. I have a
    feeling though changing inner tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on
    the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time Andrew. Just
    changed the tube and never bothered with the wheel or tire coming off.
    One thing I did though was a good finger inspection on the tire outside
    and inside. I have had flats where I did not get the piece of whatever
    out of the tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and only have one
    place that it goes through. It is almost a perfect round hole and on the inside of tube not outside road contact.

    It it did not take long at all but these Schwalb 406 Durango 1.1 call
    for 85-115 PSI. I don't run them that high maybe around 80 average as I
    air them around 90 and they go for about a week or so before needing and
    air. To me it seems that is a high pressure. The rear is a Schwalb One
    23 and it does take more I run it around 90 psi but I have run them as
    low as 75.

    Finally I took the flat tube and patched it I am old school. Patch the
    tube if it seams reasonable to do so. I know riders who just toss. Now I
    need to buy two replacement front tires. They are certainly good for
    what I think will be many miles but with 4750 on them I need
    replacements on deck. The rear I have some trusty Conti GP5000s on hand
    the best tire ever> Is wish they made and equivalent 20 inch tire. Might
    have to AI that question.
    --
    Deacon Mark
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  • From NFN Smith@worldoff9908@gmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 12:08:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going harder but cold weather see-ato-apull-adown-athe-aaverage.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with some pot holes.
    I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens right. Sure enough I look
    down and the right front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. My guess
    is a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll another 1/2 block-ahome.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the Catrike so a
    flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can live with. I have a
    feeling though changing inner tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on the-aroad.

    I've seen a statistic that indicates that a majority of automobile
    accidents happen within a mile or two of the motorist's home. Part of
    that, I'm sure, is that that's where any motorist is most frequently.

    But I think a further dynamic is that for stuff that people are very
    familiar with, then they tend to be less attentive.

    For you as a cyclist (and this particular incident) is that when home is nearly in sight, then it's easy to let your attention wander, and where
    you're a lot more vulnerable to making a simple mistake like this.

    I know that in racing, the expectation is "ride through the finish
    line", and a good negative example of that was a couple of months ago
    with the guy who was performing a victory salute for winning, and
    crashed before the line. He still managed to win the race, but was
    horizontal when he crossed the line. He would have been a lot more
    embarrassed if his crash had cost him the win.

    Smith
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 15:20:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/11/2026 1:58 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly
    actually at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought
    I was going harder but cold weather see to pull down the
    average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with
    some pot holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that
    happens right. Sure enough I look down and the right
    front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. My guess is
    a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll
    another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I
    can live with. I have a feeling though changing inner
    tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time
    Andrew. Just changed the tube and never bothered with the
    wheel or tire coming off. One thing I did though was a good
    finger inspection on the tire outside and inside. I have had
    flats where I did not get the piece of whatever out of the
    tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and
    only have one place that it goes through. It is almost a
    perfect round hole and on the inside of tube not outside
    road contact.

    It it did not take long at all but these Schwalb 406 Durango
    1.1 call for 85-115 PSI. I don't run them that high maybe
    around 80 average as I air them around 90 and they go for
    about a week or so before needing and air. To me it seems
    that is a high pressure. The rear is a Schwalb One 23 and it
    does take more I run it around 90 psi but I have run them as
    low as 75.

    Finally I took the flat tube and patched it I am old school.
    Patch the tube if it seams reasonable to do so. I know
    riders who just toss. Now I need to buy two replacement
    front tires. They are certainly good for what I think will
    be many miles but with 4750 on them I need replacements on
    deck. The rear I have some trusty Conti GP5000s on hand the
    best tire ever> Is wish they made and equivalent 20 inch
    tire. Might have to AI that question.


    Inside flat is a rim or rim liner problem.

    Low pressure pinch flat (aka 'snake bite') is on the sides
    (usually two slits). Increase and maintain recommended
    pressure. Inspect tire casing* to ensure fabric is not torn.

    Punctures are on the outside (tire side) and great care
    should be taken to find* and remove the object, which can be
    very small (wire, remnant of a thorn or in urban areas a
    syringe needle).

    For your flat, rim is either solid section or hollow.

    Solid section rims' nipples stick up inside rim, which needs
    a rubber, not broken or chafed, rim liner. Rubber rim liner
    has to be wide enough to fill the well, but not so wide as
    to obstruct or occlude rim bead seat.

    Hollow section rims have a hole to allow access to the
    nipple. Rim liners are nylon cloth which can withstand tire
    pressures over those holes. Rubber or plastic rim liners
    will cut through under pressure on a hollow section rim,
    leaving distinctly round or crescent cuts* or marks on the
    inside face of the tube.

    *Good practice is to mark tire, rim and valve on one side
    before dismounting tire, so the injury may be traced back to
    its source. Especially for punctures, you're looking for a
    very small thing embedded somewhere in a lot of area of
    fabric. Knowing where to look makes that more likely successful.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 16:25:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 13:16:54 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually
    at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going
    harder but cold weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with
    some pot holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens
    right. Sure enough I look down and the right front 20 inch
    tire on the catrike went flat. My guess is a pitch flat but
    on a trike pretty easy to just roll another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can
    live with. I have a feeling though changing inner tubes is
    not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    You'll discover one feature of tricycles in that stub-axle
    wheels can change rubber without removing the wheel from the
    vehicle. Bonus!

    I've fixed tires both ways, on the trike and off. I prefer having it
    off.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
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  • From Ted Heise@theise@panix.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 22:12:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 15:20:57 -0500,
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:58 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I
    can live with. I have a feeling though changing inner
    tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time
    Andrew. Just changed the tube and never bothered with the
    wheel or tire coming off. One thing I did though was a good
    finger inspection on the tire outside and inside. I have had
    flats where I did not get the piece of whatever out of the
    tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and
    only have one place that it goes through. It is almost a
    perfect round hole and on the inside of tube not outside road
    contact.

    Inside flat is a rim or rim liner problem.

    Low pressure pinch flat (aka 'snake bite') is on the sides
    (usually two slits). Increase and maintain recommended
    pressure. Inspect tire casing* to ensure fabric is not torn.

    Punctures are on the outside (tire side) and great care should
    be taken to find* and remove the object, which can be very
    small (wire, remnant of a thorn or in urban areas a syringe
    needle).

    I had a pinch flat a few weeks ago that I patched on the road.
    The tire pumped to pressure reasonably effectively, but shortly
    after starting out it went flat again. Turned out I had a small
    puncture that lost enough pressure to aggravate the risk of pinch
    flatting.


    For your flat, rim is either solid section or hollow.

    Solid section rims' nipples stick up inside rim, which needs a
    rubber, not broken or chafed, rim liner. Rubber rim liner has
    to be wide enough to fill the well, but not so wide as to
    obstruct or occlude rim bead seat.

    Hollow section rims have a hole to allow access to the nipple.
    Rim liners are nylon cloth which can withstand tire pressures
    over those holes. Rubber or plastic rim liners will cut through
    under pressure on a hollow section rim, leaving distinctly
    round or crescent cuts* or marks on the inside face of the
    tube.

    Great info, as usual.

    Any thoughts on fabric strips (e.g., Velox)? I've had them form
    creases on my Ritchey (hollow section) rims, and have had flats
    that were in the same spot and caused (I think) by fretting
    abrasion.


    *Good practice is to mark tire, rim and valve on one side
    before dismounting tire, so the injury may be traced back to
    its source. Especially for punctures, you're looking for a
    very small thing embedded somewhere in a lot of area of fabric.
    Knowing where to look makes that more likely successful.

    I don't mark anything, but always keep the tube in the same
    orientation as the rim and tire after I pull it put and inflate
    it. Once I find the leak, I use that to zero in on where to
    inspect the tire (and rim, if needed). Pretty much the approach
    you suggest, Andrew.
    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> Gretna, NE, USA
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Sep 11 19:32:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/11/2026 5:12 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 15:20:57 -0500,
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:58 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I
    can live with. I have a feeling though changing inner
    tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time
    Andrew. Just changed the tube and never bothered with the
    wheel or tire coming off. One thing I did though was a good
    finger inspection on the tire outside and inside. I have had
    flats where I did not get the piece of whatever out of the
    tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and
    only have one place that it goes through. It is almost a
    perfect round hole and on the inside of tube not outside road
    contact.

    Inside flat is a rim or rim liner problem.

    Low pressure pinch flat (aka 'snake bite') is on the sides
    (usually two slits). Increase and maintain recommended
    pressure. Inspect tire casing* to ensure fabric is not torn.

    Punctures are on the outside (tire side) and great care should
    be taken to find* and remove the object, which can be very
    small (wire, remnant of a thorn or in urban areas a syringe
    needle).

    I had a pinch flat a few weeks ago that I patched on the road.
    The tire pumped to pressure reasonably effectively, but shortly
    after starting out it went flat again. Turned out I had a small
    puncture that lost enough pressure to aggravate the risk of pinch
    flatting.


    For your flat, rim is either solid section or hollow.

    Solid section rims' nipples stick up inside rim, which needs a
    rubber, not broken or chafed, rim liner. Rubber rim liner has
    to be wide enough to fill the well, but not so wide as to
    obstruct or occlude rim bead seat.

    Hollow section rims have a hole to allow access to the nipple.
    Rim liners are nylon cloth which can withstand tire pressures
    over those holes. Rubber or plastic rim liners will cut through
    under pressure on a hollow section rim, leaving distinctly
    round or crescent cuts* or marks on the inside face of the
    tube.

    Great info, as usual.

    Any thoughts on fabric strips (e.g., Velox)? I've had them form
    creases on my Ritchey (hollow section) rims, and have had flats
    that were in the same spot and caused (I think) by fretting
    abrasion.


    *Good practice is to mark tire, rim and valve on one side
    before dismounting tire, so the injury may be traced back to
    its source. Especially for punctures, you're looking for a
    very small thing embedded somewhere in a lot of area of fabric.
    Knowing where to look makes that more likely successful.

    I don't mark anything, but always keep the tube in the same
    orientation as the rim and tire after I pull it put and inflate
    it. Once I find the leak, I use that to zero in on where to
    inspect the tire (and rim, if needed). Pretty much the approach
    you suggest, Andrew.


    Velox used to be our preferred rim liner. But it's
    annoyingly thick where clearance is critical (as on so many
    modern rims). Besides, it's not stretchy so it needs
    adhesive which, as you found is prone to migration. We
    prefer Torelli or Ritchey or FSA or similar thin nylon cloth
    liners now.

    A pet peeve here is with a local shop who uses Velox on
    solid section rims where it promptly cuts through on any
    sharp nipple edge or protruding spoke.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Sep 12 04:05:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 15:20:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 9/11/2026 1:58 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly
    actually at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought
    I was going harder but cold weather see to pull down the
    average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with
    some pot holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that
    happens right. Sure enough I look down and the right
    front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. My guess is
    a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll
    another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I
    can live with. I have a feeling though changing inner
    tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time
    Andrew. Just changed the tube and never bothered with the
    wheel or tire coming off. One thing I did though was a good
    finger inspection on the tire outside and inside. I have had
    flats where I did not get the piece of whatever out of the
    tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and
    only have one place that it goes through. It is almost a
    perfect round hole and on the inside of tube not outside
    road contact.

    It it did not take long at all but these Schwalb 406 Durango
    1.1 call for 85-115 PSI. I don't run them that high maybe
    around 80 average as I air them around 90 and they go for
    about a week or so before needing and air. To me it seems
    that is a high pressure. The rear is a Schwalb One 23 and it
    does take more I run it around 90 psi but I have run them as
    low as 75.

    Finally I took the flat tube and patched it I am old school.
    Patch the tube if it seams reasonable to do so. I know
    riders who just toss. Now I need to buy two replacement
    front tires. They are certainly good for what I think will
    be many miles but with 4750 on them I need replacements on
    deck. The rear I have some trusty Conti GP5000s on hand the
    best tire ever> Is wish they made and equivalent 20 inch
    tire. Might have to AI that question.


    Inside flat is a rim or rim liner problem.

    Low pressure pinch flat (aka 'snake bite') is on the sides
    (usually two slits). Increase and maintain recommended
    pressure. Inspect tire casing* to ensure fabric is not torn.

    Punctures are on the outside (tire side) and great care
    should be taken to find* and remove the object, which can be
    very small (wire, remnant of a thorn or in urban areas a
    syringe needle).

    For your flat, rim is either solid section or hollow.

    Solid section rims' nipples stick up inside rim, which needs
    a rubber, not broken or chafed, rim liner. Rubber rim liner
    has to be wide enough to fill the well, but not so wide as
    to obstruct or occlude rim bead seat.

    Hollow section rims have a hole to allow access to the
    nipple. Rim liners are nylon cloth which can withstand tire
    pressures over those holes. Rubber or plastic rim liners
    will cut through under pressure on a hollow section rim,
    leaving distinctly round or crescent cuts* or marks on the
    inside face of the tube.

    *Good practice is to mark tire, rim and valve on one side
    before dismounting tire, so the injury may be traced back to
    its source. Especially for punctures, you're looking for a
    very small thing embedded somewhere in a lot of area of
    fabric. Knowing where to look makes that more likely successful.

    Wow.. I put PVC rim tape on my new rear wheel. No problem yet, but I
    guess I better change it to nylon.

    My two new front tires came with blue rim tape already installed by
    Catrike. I don't know what they are made of, but if Mr. Cleary had a
    circular hole in his Catrike installed tire, mine are likely the same.
    I think I'll take the time to change them out too. I'm putting all
    three old wheels back on before I leave for Ohio later this week. I
    left the old tires on the wheels, so all I have to do is transfer the
    cassette and make sure the brake disks line up.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Sep 12 08:06:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/12/2026 3:05 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 15:20:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 9/11/2026 1:58 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly
    actually at 59 degrees starting out. Not too fast thought
    I was going harder but cold weather see to pull down the
    average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with
    some pot holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that
    happens right. Sure enough I look down and the right
    front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. My guess is
    a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll
    another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the
    Catrike so a flat first time and 1000 feet from home I
    can live with. I have a feeling though changing inner
    tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time
    Andrew. Just changed the tube and never bothered with the
    wheel or tire coming off. One thing I did though was a good
    finger inspection on the tire outside and inside. I have had
    flats where I did not get the piece of whatever out of the
    tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and
    only have one place that it goes through. It is almost a
    perfect round hole and on the inside of tube not outside
    road contact.

    It it did not take long at all but these Schwalb 406 Durango
    1.1 call for 85-115 PSI. I don't run them that high maybe
    around 80 average as I air them around 90 and they go for
    about a week or so before needing and air. To me it seems
    that is a high pressure. The rear is a Schwalb One 23 and it
    does take more I run it around 90 psi but I have run them as
    low as 75.

    Finally I took the flat tube and patched it I am old school.
    Patch the tube if it seams reasonable to do so. I know
    riders who just toss. Now I need to buy two replacement
    front tires. They are certainly good for what I think will
    be many miles but with 4750 on them I need replacements on
    deck. The rear I have some trusty Conti GP5000s on hand the
    best tire ever> Is wish they made and equivalent 20 inch
    tire. Might have to AI that question.


    Inside flat is a rim or rim liner problem.

    Low pressure pinch flat (aka 'snake bite') is on the sides
    (usually two slits). Increase and maintain recommended
    pressure. Inspect tire casing* to ensure fabric is not torn.

    Punctures are on the outside (tire side) and great care
    should be taken to find* and remove the object, which can be
    very small (wire, remnant of a thorn or in urban areas a
    syringe needle).

    For your flat, rim is either solid section or hollow.

    Solid section rims' nipples stick up inside rim, which needs
    a rubber, not broken or chafed, rim liner. Rubber rim liner
    has to be wide enough to fill the well, but not so wide as
    to obstruct or occlude rim bead seat.

    Hollow section rims have a hole to allow access to the
    nipple. Rim liners are nylon cloth which can withstand tire
    pressures over those holes. Rubber or plastic rim liners
    will cut through under pressure on a hollow section rim,
    leaving distinctly round or crescent cuts* or marks on the
    inside face of the tube.

    *Good practice is to mark tire, rim and valve on one side
    before dismounting tire, so the injury may be traced back to
    its source. Especially for punctures, you're looking for a
    very small thing embedded somewhere in a lot of area of
    fabric. Knowing where to look makes that more likely successful.

    Wow.. I put PVC rim tape on my new rear wheel. No problem yet, but I
    guess I better change it to nylon.

    My two new front tires came with blue rim tape already installed by
    Catrike. I don't know what they are made of, but if Mr. Cleary had a
    circular hole in his Catrike installed tire, mine are likely the same.
    I think I'll take the time to change them out too. I'm putting all
    three old wheels back on before I leave for Ohio later this week. I
    left the old tires on the wheels, so all I have to do is transfer the cassette and make sure the brake disks line up.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

    I don't know what they use but when changing a tire look at
    the rim liner. If it's dimpled down into the holes, or if
    there are slits/cracks over the holes, change it.

    https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/img_9503_2__a4c146477ce2fc64df9a539083415e9aafda62c7.jpg
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    am@yellowjersey.org
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  • From Ted Heise@theise@panix.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Sep 12 16:39:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 19:32:21 -0500,
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 5:12 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 15:20:57 -0500,
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Inside flat is a rim or rim liner problem.

    Solid section rims' nipples stick up inside rim, which
    needs a rubber, not broken or chafed, rim liner. Rubber rim
    liner has to be wide enough to fill the well, but not so
    wide as to obstruct or occlude rim bead seat.

    Hollow section rims have a hole to allow access to the
    nipple. Rim liners are nylon cloth which can withstand tire
    pressures over those holes. Rubber or plastic rim liners
    will cut through under pressure on a hollow section rim,
    leaving distinctly round or crescent cuts* or marks on the
    inside face of the tube.

    Great info, as usual.

    Any thoughts on fabric strips (e.g., Velox)? I've had them
    form creases on my Ritchey (hollow section) rims, and have had
    flats that were in the same spot and caused (I think) by
    fretting abrasion.

    Velox used to be our preferred rim liner. But it's annoyingly
    thick where clearance is critical (as on so many modern rims).
    Besides, it's not stretchy so it needs adhesive which, as you
    found is prone to migration. We prefer Torelli or Ritchey or
    FSA or similar thin nylon cloth liners now.

    Great, thanks. Matches my experience. Since I went back to the
    plastic Ritchey liners I've not had any problems.


    A pet peeve here is with a local shop who uses Velox on solid
    section rims where it promptly cuts through on any sharp nipple

    Dumbasses. At least it brings in business.
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    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> Gretna, NE, USA
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  • From Roger Merriman@roger@sarlet.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Sep 12 20:44:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually at 59
    degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going harder but cold
    weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with some pot
    holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens right. Sure enough
    I look down and the right front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat.
    My guess is a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll
    another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the Catrike so a
    flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can live with. I have a
    feeling though changing inner tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on
    the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time Andrew. Just changed the tube and never bothered with the wheel or tire coming off.
    One thing I did though was a good finger inspection on the tire outside
    and inside. I have had flats where I did not get the piece of whatever
    out of the tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and only have one place that it goes through. It is almost a perfect round hole and on the inside of tube not outside road contact.

    As Andrew has noted snake bites are two and on the side, and personally you
    do tend to (though not always) feel the rim bottom out.

    It it did not take long at all but these Schwalb 406 Durango 1.1 call
    for 85-115 PSI. I don't run them that high maybe around 80 average as I
    air them around 90 and they go for about a week or so before needing and air. To me it seems that is a high pressure. The rear is a Schwalb One
    23 and it does take more I run it around 90 psi but I have run them as
    low as 75.

    The One is the replacement for the Durango in SchwablerCOs line up, I have
    the One plus on my roadie, mates used to run the Durango plus, for
    commuting.

    There will be less volume in the 20in front tyres due to the smaller
    diameter, but obviously is two of them. Probably could experiment with pressures, the CatTrike do look to be fairly front heavy as most trikes are with the Crankset and riders legs ahead of the front wheel, could I guess
    roll the tyre, some MTBrCOs who run really low pressures tubeless manage to rCLburprCY the tyres. With a tube thatrCOs not a factor and frankly unlikely to be loading the sidewall though banked corner aka a berms.

    Finally I took the flat tube and patched it I am old school. Patch the
    tube if it seams reasonable to do so. I know riders who just toss. Now I need to buy two replacement front tires. They are certainly good for
    what I think will be many miles but with 4750 on them I need
    replacements on deck. The rear I have some trusty Conti GP5000s on hand
    the best tire ever> Is wish they made and equivalent 20 inch tire. Might have to AI that question.


    Conti like others only do their high end stuff in 700c with few exceptions, 20in get more utilitarian or training type of tyres, which makes sense as
    the 20in bikes I see about are cargo bikes with the occasional larger
    wheeled folding bikes, with 16in wheels being more common with the Brompton
    and others.

    But in all cases the market for high end performance 20in tyres seems to be small, with Moulton bikes of which I see examples maybe once a year the
    only performance bikes using 20in wheels?

    Recumbents be they bike or trike are relatively small market, and within
    that not all will want high end road tyres ie lot seem to be fitted with Marathons and similar more touring types.

    Roger Merriman
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  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Sep 12 17:28:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 12 Sep 2026 20:44:35 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually at 59
    degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going harder but cold >>>> weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with some pot
    holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens right. Sure enough >>>> I look down and the right front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. >>>> My guess is a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll
    another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the Catrike so a
    flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can live with. I have a
    feeling though changing inner tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on >>>> the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time Andrew. Just
    changed the tube and never bothered with the wheel or tire coming off.
    One thing I did though was a good finger inspection on the tire outside
    and inside. I have had flats where I did not get the piece of whatever
    out of the tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and only have one
    place that it goes through. It is almost a perfect round hole and on the
    inside of tube not outside road contact.

    As Andrew has noted snake bites are two and on the side, and personally you >do tend to (though not always) feel the rim bottom out.

    It it did not take long at all but these Schwalb 406 Durango 1.1 call
    for 85-115 PSI. I don't run them that high maybe around 80 average as I
    air them around 90 and they go for about a week or so before needing and
    air. To me it seems that is a high pressure. The rear is a Schwalb One
    23 and it does take more I run it around 90 psi but I have run them as
    low as 75.

    The One is the replacement for the Durango in SchwableAs line up, I have
    the One plus on my roadie, mates used to run the Durango plus, for
    commuting.

    There will be less volume in the 20in front tyres due to the smaller >diameter, but obviously is two of them. Probably could experiment with >pressures, the CatTrike do look to be fairly front heavy as most trikes are >with the Crankset and riders legs ahead of the front wheel, could I guess >roll the tyre, some MTBAs who run really low pressures tubeless manage to >oburpo the tyres. With a tube thatAs not a factor and frankly unlikely to
    be loading the sidewall though banked corner aka a berms.

    Finally I took the flat tube and patched it I am old school. Patch the
    tube if it seams reasonable to do so. I know riders who just toss. Now I
    need to buy two replacement front tires. They are certainly good for
    what I think will be many miles but with 4750 on them I need
    replacements on deck. The rear I have some trusty Conti GP5000s on hand
    the best tire ever> Is wish they made and equivalent 20 inch tire. Might
    have to AI that question.


    Conti like others only do their high end stuff in 700c with few exceptions, >20in get more utilitarian or training type of tyres, which makes sense as
    the 20in bikes I see about are cargo bikes with the occasional larger
    wheeled folding bikes, with 16in wheels being more common with the Brompton >and others.

    But in all cases the market for high end performance 20in tyres seems to be >small, with Moulton bikes of which I see examples maybe once a year the
    only performance bikes using 20in wheels?

    Recumbents be they bike or trike are relatively small market, and within
    that not all will want high end road tyres ie lot seem to be fitted with >Marathons and similar more touring types.

    Roger Merriman

    I went through a full set of Schwalbe Durano tires many years ago. I
    didn't see them as any faster than the Schwalbe green guards, and not
    nearly as durable. I've tried and rejected several other Schwalbe
    "race guard" tires, Racers, Kojoks, etc. My tire experimentation days
    are over. I use Marathon Greens all around.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
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  • From Roger Merriman@roger@sarlet.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Sep 12 22:19:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 12 Sep 2026 20:44:35 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 1:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/11/2026 12:57 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Finished my ride today 43 miler was little chilly actually at 59
    degrees starting out. Not too fast thought I was going harder but cold >>>>> weather see to pull down the average.

    Coming in today 1/2 block from home concrete street with some pot
    holes. I felt one hit pretty hard but that happens right. Sure enough >>>>> I look down and the right front 20 inch tire on the catrike went flat. >>>>> My guess is a pitch flat but on a trike pretty easy to just roll
    another 1/2 block home.

    I was due you don't go forever I have 4750 miles on the Catrike so a >>>>> flat first time and 1000 feet from home I can live with. I have a
    feeling though changing inner tubes is not easy on these Trikes out on >>>>> the road.

    p.s.
    Zoom ahead to 17:00 minutes
    https://vimeo.com/804023315?fl=pl&fe=cm

    Yes, I knew that would be the way to go most of the time Andrew. Just
    changed the tube and never bothered with the wheel or tire coming off.
    One thing I did though was a good finger inspection on the tire outside >>> and inside. I have had flats where I did not get the piece of whatever
    out of the tire. This had on hole right about 2 inches from the value
    stem so not a snake bite as such? Can a rim bottom out and only have one >>> place that it goes through. It is almost a perfect round hole and on the >>> inside of tube not outside road contact.

    As Andrew has noted snake bites are two and on the side, and personally you >> do tend to (though not always) feel the rim bottom out.

    It it did not take long at all but these Schwalb 406 Durango 1.1 call
    for 85-115 PSI. I don't run them that high maybe around 80 average as I >>> air them around 90 and they go for about a week or so before needing and >>> air. To me it seems that is a high pressure. The rear is a Schwalb One
    23 and it does take more I run it around 90 psi but I have run them as
    low as 75.

    The One is the replacement for the Durango in Schwable-As line up, I have
    the One plus on my roadie, mates used to run the Durango plus, for
    commuting.

    There will be less volume in the 20in front tyres due to the smaller
    diameter, but obviously is two of them. Probably could experiment with
    pressures, the CatTrike do look to be fairly front heavy as most trikes are >> with the Crankset and riders legs ahead of the front wheel, could I guess
    roll the tyre, some MTB-As who run really low pressures tubeless manage to >> -oburp-o the tyres. With a tube that-As not a factor and frankly unlikely to >> be loading the sidewall though banked corner aka a berms.

    Finally I took the flat tube and patched it I am old school. Patch the
    tube if it seams reasonable to do so. I know riders who just toss. Now I >>> need to buy two replacement front tires. They are certainly good for
    what I think will be many miles but with 4750 on them I need
    replacements on deck. The rear I have some trusty Conti GP5000s on hand >>> the best tire ever> Is wish they made and equivalent 20 inch tire. Might >>> have to AI that question.


    Conti like others only do their high end stuff in 700c with few exceptions, >> 20in get more utilitarian or training type of tyres, which makes sense as
    the 20in bikes I see about are cargo bikes with the occasional larger
    wheeled folding bikes, with 16in wheels being more common with the Brompton >> and others.

    But in all cases the market for high end performance 20in tyres seems to be >> small, with Moulton bikes of which I see examples maybe once a year the
    only performance bikes using 20in wheels?

    Recumbents be they bike or trike are relatively small market, and within
    that not all will want high end road tyres ie lot seem to be fitted with
    Marathons and similar more touring types.

    Roger Merriman

    I went through a full set of Schwalbe Durano tires many years ago. I
    didn't see them as any faster than the Schwalbe green guards, and not
    nearly as durable. I've tried and rejected several other Schwalbe
    "race guard" tires, Racers, Kojoks, etc. My tire experimentation days
    are over. I use Marathon Greens all around.

    ThatrCOs the difference between performance difference between a product ie tyres, and the entire unit ie rider and machine.

    Personally due to my MTB background I do tend focus on tyres as certainly
    there they are hugely important.
    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

    Roger Merriman


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