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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9tSG93IHRvIHRoZw==?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Mon Aug 17 21:31:47 2026
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    If you have tried this it is impossible. But what you can do is get a small diameter hollow tube. You insert this into the rear wire exit and push it up to the BB. pull off the crank, `and work the tube over the BB shield. You now have a direct route from the shield to the chain stay exit to push the shift wire through put it into the rear derailleur outer then the oloop and make the wire secure.
    You can also do this for the front wires as well, though I didn't have any problems with sinply puswhing the wires down and having them exit at the forward slot of the shield. I would prefer leaving the tube in but I will see if there's enough room when I get the tube.
    I found this hint on a YouTube video but it was a different type of inner cabling altogether.
    Also, I found out why I was having trould putting in a new innertube. You have to inflate the tubes a little. I already knew that but forgot it with the stroke.
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Aug 22 19:09:18 2026
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    On Mon Aug 17 21:31:47 2026 cyclintomHow to thg wrote:
    If you have tried this it is impossible. But what you can do is get a small diameter hollow tube. You insert this into the rear wire exit and push it up to the BB. pull off the crank, `and work the tube over the BB shield. You now have a direct route from the shield to the chain stay exit to push the shift wire through put it into the rear derailleur outer then the oloop and make the wire secure.

    You can also do this for the front wires as well, though I didn't have any problems with sinply puswhing the wires down and having them exit at the forward slot of the shield. I would prefer leaving the tube in but I will see if there's enough room when I get the tube.

    I found this hint on a YouTube video but it was a different type of inner cabling altogether.

    Also, I found out why I was having trould putting in a new innertube. You have to inflate the tubes a little. I already knew that but forgot it with the stroke.
    Threading interior cables is a pain in the ass in any event though I imagine if you do the same model enough times you could make it look easy.
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Aug 22 14:37:03 2026
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    On 8/22/2026 2:09 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Aug 17 21:31:47 2026 cyclintomHow to thg wrote:
    If you have tried this it is impossible. But what you can do is get a small diameter hollow tube. You insert this into the rear wire exit and push it up to the BB. pull off the crank, `and work the tube over the BB shield. You now have a direct route from the shield to the chain stay exit to push the shift wire through put it into the rear derailleur outer then the oloop and make the wire secure.

    You can also do this for the front wires as well, though I didn't have any problems with sinply puswhing the wires down and having them exit at the forward slot of the shield. I would prefer leaving the tube in but I will see if there's enough room when I get the tube.

    I found this hint on a YouTube video but it was a different type of inner cabling altogether.

    Also, I found out why I was having trould putting in a new innertube. You have to inflate the tubes a little. I already knew that but forgot it with the stroke.




    Threading interior cables is a pain in the ass in any event though I imagine if you do the same model enough times you could make it look easy.

    There's truth in that- Different frames use different
    techniques.

    Some are best done by positioning the chainstay vertically
    before dropping the wire straight down and out.

    On others, the path inside is not smooth and straight
    enough. A 1/16" steel welding rod may be better. Once
    through, cover it with a plastic sleeve, withdraw rod, pass
    wire through.

    Some techs like a thread or string pulled through with a
    vacuum cleaner followed by the wire. Others use small strong
    magnets (cobalt, neodymium, etc) with a Kevlar string to
    lead the wire. example: https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/internal-cable-routing-kit-ir-1-2

    For main tube ports, a section of 15-17g butted spoke formed
    with a small hook can be used effectively to pull up the wire.
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    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Aug 27 17:53:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 8/27/2026 5:45 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat Aug 22 14:37:03 2026 AMuzi wrote:
    On 8/22/2026 2:09 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Aug 17 21:31:47 2026 cyclintomHow to thg wrote:
    If you have tried this it is impossible. But what you can do is get a small diameter hollow tube. You insert this into the rear wire exit and push it up to the BB. pull off the crank, `and work the tube over the BB shield. You now have a direct route from the shield to the chain stay exit to push the shift wire through put it into the rear derailleur outer then the oloop and make the wire secure.

    You can also do this for the front wires as well, though I didn't have any problems with sinply puswhing the wires down and having them exit at the forward slot of the shield. I would prefer leaving the tube in but I will see if there's enough room when I get the tube.

    I found this hint on a YouTube video but it was a different type of inner cabling altogether.

    Also, I found out why I was having trould putting in a new innertube. You have to inflate the tubes a little. I already knew that but forgot it with the stroke.




    Threading interior cables is a pain in the ass in any event though I imagine if you do the same model enough times you could make it look easy.

    There's truth in that- Different frames use different
    techniques.

    Some are best done by positioning the chainstay vertically
    before dropping the wire straight down and out.

    On others, the path inside is not smooth and straight
    enough. A 1/16" steel welding rod may be better. Once
    through, cover it with a plastic sleeve, withdraw rod, pass
    wire through.

    Some techs like a thread or string pulled through with a
    vacuum cleaner followed by the wire. Others use small strong
    magnets (cobalt, neodymium, etc) with a Kevlar string to
    lead the wire. example:
    https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/internal-cable-routing-kit-ir-1-2

    For main tube ports, a section of 15-17g butted spoke formed
    with a small hook can be used effectively to pull up the wire.




    As it turns out, I cannot extract the rear derailleur wire fron the chain stay because it isn't straignt enough to use that turbing trick. But I can thread the wire all of the way to the back where I can see it. So I probably can use the super magnet to pull it up to the point where is will extract itself. I'll have to see if I can find it. It is also useful for moving spoke nipples to the correct position in rims withough nipple holes on the outside rim liner.


    Where do you find steel nipples nowadays?
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Aug 27 22:45:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Sat Aug 22 14:37:03 2026 AMuzi wrote:
    On 8/22/2026 2:09 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Aug 17 21:31:47 2026 cyclintomHow to thg wrote:
    If you have tried this it is impossible. But what you can do is get a small diameter hollow tube. You insert this into the rear wire exit and push it up to the BB. pull off the crank, `and work the tube over the BB shield. You now have a direct route from the shield to the chain stay exit to push the shift wire through put it into the rear derailleur outer then the oloop and make the wire secure.

    You can also do this for the front wires as well, though I didn't have any problems with sinply puswhing the wires down and having them exit at the forward slot of the shield. I would prefer leaving the tube in but I will see if there's enough room when I get the tube.

    I found this hint on a YouTube video but it was a different type of inner cabling altogether.

    Also, I found out why I was having trould putting in a new innertube. You have to inflate the tubes a little. I already knew that but forgot it with the stroke.




    Threading interior cables is a pain in the ass in any event though I imagine if you do the same model enough times you could make it look easy.

    There's truth in that- Different frames use different
    techniques.

    Some are best done by positioning the chainstay vertically
    before dropping the wire straight down and out.

    On others, the path inside is not smooth and straight
    enough. A 1/16" steel welding rod may be better. Once
    through, cover it with a plastic sleeve, withdraw rod, pass
    wire through.

    Some techs like a thread or string pulled through with a
    vacuum cleaner followed by the wire. Others use small strong
    magnets (cobalt, neodymium, etc) with a Kevlar string to
    lead the wire. example: https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/internal-cable-routing-kit-ir-1-2

    For main tube ports, a section of 15-17g butted spoke formed
    with a small hook can be used effectively to pull up the wire.
    As it turns out, I cannot extract the rear derailleur wire fron the chain stay because it isn't straignt enough to use that turbing trick. But I can thread the wire all of the way to the back where I can see it. So I probably can use the super magnet to pull it up to the point where is will extract itself. I'll have to see if I can find it. It is also useful for moving spoke nipples to the correct position in rims withough nipple holes on the outside rim liner.
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Aug 27 20:40:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 17:53:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 8/27/2026 5:45 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat Aug 22 14:37:03 2026 AMuzi wrote:
    On 8/22/2026 2:09 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Aug 17 21:31:47 2026 cyclintomHow to thg wrote:
    If you have tried this it is impossible. But what you can do is get a small diameter hollow tube. You insert this into the rear wire exit and push it up to the BB. pull off the crank, `and work the tube over the BB shield. You now have a direct route from the shield to the chain stay exit to push the shift wire through put it into the rear derailleur outer then the oloop and make the wire secure.

    You can also do this for the front wires as well, though I didn't have any problems with sinply puswhing the wires down and having them exit at the forward slot of the shield. I would prefer leaving the tube in but I will see if there's enough room when I get the tube.

    I found this hint on a YouTube video but it was a different type of inner cabling altogether.

    Also, I found out why I was having trould putting in a new innertube. You have to inflate the tubes a little. I already knew that but forgot it with the stroke.




    Threading interior cables is a pain in the ass in any event though I imagine if you do the same model enough times you could make it look easy.

    There's truth in that- Different frames use different
    techniques.

    Some are best done by positioning the chainstay vertically
    before dropping the wire straight down and out.

    On others, the path inside is not smooth and straight
    enough. A 1/16" steel welding rod may be better. Once
    through, cover it with a plastic sleeve, withdraw rod, pass
    wire through.

    Some techs like a thread or string pulled through with a
    vacuum cleaner followed by the wire. Others use small strong
    magnets (cobalt, neodymium, etc) with a Kevlar string to
    lead the wire. example:
    https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/internal-cable-routing-kit-ir-1-2 >>>
    For main tube ports, a section of 15-17g butted spoke formed
    with a small hook can be used effectively to pull up the wire.




    As it turns out, I cannot extract the rear derailleur wire fron the chain stay because it isn't straignt enough to use that turbing trick. But I can thread the wire all of the way to the back where I can see it. So I probably can use the super magnet to pull it up to the point where is will extract itself. I'll have to see if I can find it. It is also useful for moving spoke nipples to the correct position in rims withough nipple holes on the outside rim liner.


    Where do you find steel nipples nowadays?

    In BMX shops.

    "Bicycle Spoke Nipple for 11-Gauge Spokes Steel CP" <https://www.huskybicycles.com/bicycle-spoke-nipple-for-11-gauge-spokes-steel-cp.html>
    "Pack 100 spoke nipples, 11-gauge, 14mm, chrome-plated steel."

    "Bike Spoke Nipples Steel Spoke Nipples Mountain Bicycle Spoke Cap for
    14G 40Pcs 6 * 14mm" <https://www.amazon.com/Spoke-Nipples-Steel-Mountain-Bicycle/dp/B0B4P2NFHF> "[Material]: Made of steel, strength and color coated, corrosion
    resistance."

    "Spoke Nipple Cn Steel Oem 2.0X16Mm Silver" <https://velomine.com/products/spoke-nipple-cn-steel-oem-2-0x16mm-silver> "Material: Steel"

    "Spoke nipple material choices/Why not steel nipples?" <https://www.reddit.com/r/BicycleEngineering/comments/c2zrx8/spoke_nipple_material_choiceswhy_not_steel_nipples/>
    "The spokes are stainless steel. Why are the nipples not also
    (stainless) steel?"

    For automotive wire wheels: <https://www.buchananspokes.com/categories/nipples_nickle_plated_steel.asp> "Nickel Plated Steel Nipples"
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Aug 28 11:04:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 8/27/2026 10:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 17:53:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 8/27/2026 5:45 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat Aug 22 14:37:03 2026 AMuzi wrote:
    On 8/22/2026 2:09 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Aug 17 21:31:47 2026 cyclintomHow to thg wrote:
    If you have tried this it is impossible. But what you can do is get a small diameter hollow tube. You insert this into the rear wire exit and push it up to the BB. pull off the crank, `and work the tube over the BB shield. You now have a direct route from the shield to the chain stay exit to push the shift wire through put it into the rear derailleur outer then the oloop and make the wire secure.

    You can also do this for the front wires as well, though I didn't have any problems with sinply puswhing the wires down and having them exit at the forward slot of the shield. I would prefer leaving the tube in but I will see if there's enough room when I get the tube.

    I found this hint on a YouTube video but it was a different type of inner cabling altogether.

    Also, I found out why I was having trould putting in a new innertube. You have to inflate the tubes a little. I already knew that but forgot it with the stroke.




    Threading interior cables is a pain in the ass in any event though I imagine if you do the same model enough times you could make it look easy.

    There's truth in that- Different frames use different
    techniques.

    Some are best done by positioning the chainstay vertically
    before dropping the wire straight down and out.

    On others, the path inside is not smooth and straight
    enough. A 1/16" steel welding rod may be better. Once
    through, cover it with a plastic sleeve, withdraw rod, pass
    wire through.

    Some techs like a thread or string pulled through with a
    vacuum cleaner followed by the wire. Others use small strong
    magnets (cobalt, neodymium, etc) with a Kevlar string to
    lead the wire. example:
    https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/internal-cable-routing-kit-ir-1-2 >>>>
    For main tube ports, a section of 15-17g butted spoke formed
    with a small hook can be used effectively to pull up the wire.




    As it turns out, I cannot extract the rear derailleur wire fron the chain stay because it isn't straignt enough to use that turbing trick. But I can thread the wire all of the way to the back where I can see it. So I probably can use the super magnet to pull it up to the point where is will extract itself. I'll have to see if I can find it. It is also useful for moving spoke nipples to the correct position in rims withough nipple holes on the outside rim liner.


    Where do you find steel nipples nowadays?

    In BMX shops.

    "Bicycle Spoke Nipple for 11-Gauge Spokes Steel CP" <https://www.huskybicycles.com/bicycle-spoke-nipple-for-11-gauge-spokes-steel-cp.html>
    "Pack 100 spoke nipples, 11-gauge, 14mm, chrome-plated steel."

    "Bike Spoke Nipples Steel Spoke Nipples Mountain Bicycle Spoke Cap for
    14G 40Pcs 6 * 14mm" <https://www.amazon.com/Spoke-Nipples-Steel-Mountain-Bicycle/dp/B0B4P2NFHF> "[Material]: Made of steel, strength and color coated, corrosion
    resistance."

    "Spoke Nipple Cn Steel Oem 2.0X16Mm Silver" <https://velomine.com/products/spoke-nipple-cn-steel-oem-2-0x16mm-silver> "Material: Steel"

    "Spoke nipple material choices/Why not steel nipples?" <https://www.reddit.com/r/BicycleEngineering/comments/c2zrx8/spoke_nipple_material_choiceswhy_not_steel_nipples/>
    "The spokes are stainless steel. Why are the nipples not also
    (stainless) steel?"

    For automotive wire wheels: <https://www.buchananspokes.com/categories/nipples_nickle_plated_steel.asp> "Nickel Plated Steel Nipples"






    0.105" or 0.120" spokes (some of your links are heavier
    including classic auto wheels) for heavy duty cycles and
    light motorcycles are irrelevant. Spokes won't fit Mr
    Kunich's hubs or rims.

    Of 14g nipples, steel do exist but are extremely uncommon in
    our modern world.

    Your 3d link wants 33c each. Yikes!
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    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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