This might be of interest:I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there was a large group of ebike riders, They completely covered the 3 bike wide trail and were sitting still blocking the trail and thinking nothing about it. These people are not bicyclists and haven't even the slightest inkling of curtesy. This has happened several times with e-bikes riding three abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but
not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse
for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and
not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The
reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but
not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse
for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and
not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there was a large group of ebike riders, They completely covered the 3 bike wide trail and were sitting still blocking the trail and thinking nothing about it. These people are not bicyclists and haven't even the slightest inkling of curtesy. This has happened several times with e-bikes riding three abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to dumbshits.
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but
not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse
for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and
not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The
reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but
not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse
for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and
not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
Yup itrCOs a a scooter as to be fair the reviewer noted, itrCOs what you get as
a product of the legislation as Berm peak on that YouTube noted!
On 8/13/2026 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but
not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there was a large group of ebike riders, They completely covered the 3 bike wide trail and were sitting still blocking the trail and thinking nothing about it. These people are not bicyclists and haven't even the slightest inkling of curtesy. This has happened several times with e-bikes riding three abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to dumbshits.
"advertise ... to dumbshits."
Good marketing plan! Those folks are a majority!
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 15:38:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/13/2026 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but >>>> not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there was a large group of ebike riders, They completely covered the 3 bike wide trail and were sitting still blocking the trail and thinking nothing about it. These people are not bicyclists and haven't even the slightest inkling of curtesy. This has happened several times with e-bikes riding three abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to dumbshits.
"advertise ... to dumbshits."
Good marketing plan! Those folks are a majority!
It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to putz along on
a bike trail or bike lane or even a street or highway at 20/25MPH or
less without doing it for the exercise and physical exertion. As for
me, if I'm ever going to go back to riding a motorcycle, it's going to
be one that I can break the speed limit on the interstates with.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Am 14.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but
not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
Yup itrCOs a a scooter as to be fair the reviewer noted, itrCOs what you get as
a product of the legislation as Berm peak on that YouTube noted!
I am extremely surprised by the idea of soft-switching a vehicle between vehicle classes. Usually, different vehicle classes have different requirements concerning insurance and licensing. The legal top speed of
a vehicle is defined as 'maximum speed the vehicle can go', not as
'maximum speed for a given setting'.
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 15:38:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/13/2026 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called
ebike. The reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial,
usable as footpegs but not really for propelling the thing.
Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse for use of facilities
restricted to bicycles.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there
was a large group of ebike riders, They completely covered
the 3 bike wide trail and were sitting still blocking the
trail and thinking nothing about it. These people are not
bicyclists and haven't even the slightest inkling of curtesy.
This has happened several times with e-bikes riding three
abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to
dumbshits.
"advertise ... to dumbshits."
Good marketing plan! Those folks are a majority!
It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to putz
along on a bike trail or bike lane or even a street or highway
at 20/25MPH or less without doing it for the exercise and
physical exertion.
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 15:38:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/13/2026 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but >>>> not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there was a large
group of ebike riders, They completely covered the 3 bike wide trail
and were sitting still blocking the trail and thinking nothing about
it. These people are not bicyclists and haven't even the slightest
inkling of curtesy. This has happened several times with e-bikes riding
three abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to dumbshits.
"advertise ... to dumbshits."
Good marketing plan! Those folks are a majority!
It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to putz along on
a bike trail or bike lane or even a street or highway at 20/25MPH or
less without doing it for the exercise and physical exertion. As for
me, if I'm ever going to go back to riding a motorcycle, it's going to
be one that I can break the speed limit on the interstates with.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 14.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but >>>> not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
Yup itrCOs a a scooter as to be fair the reviewer noted, itrCOs what you get as
a product of the legislation as Berm peak on that YouTube noted!
I am extremely surprised by the idea of soft-switching a vehicle between
vehicle classes. Usually, different vehicle classes have different
requirements concerning insurance and licensing. The legal top speed of
a vehicle is defined as 'maximum speed the vehicle can go', not as
'maximum speed for a given setting'.
IrCOd suggest itrCOs done with the full knowledge and expectance that folks will use its full output. Ie the companies know and adding features so
folks can break or ignore the laws.
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 15:38:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/13/2026 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but >>>> not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there was a
large group of ebike riders, They completely covered the 3 bike
wide trail and were sitting still blocking the trail and thinking
nothing about it. These people are not bicyclists and haven't even
the slightest inkling of curtesy. This has happened several times
with e-bikes riding three abreast and not allowing people to pass
them.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to dumbshits.
"advertise ... to dumbshits."
Good marketing plan! Those folks are a majority!
It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to putz along on
a bike trail or bike lane or even a street or highway at 20/25MPH or
less without doing it for the exercise and physical exertion. As for
me, if I'm ever going to go back to riding a motorcycle, it's going to
be one that I can break the speed limit on the interstates with.
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 08:17:07 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 15:38:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/13/2026 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
Yes, thanks.
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called
ebike. The reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial,
usable as footpegs but not really for propelling the thing.
Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse for use of facilities
restricted to bicycles.
Ugh. Just what I hate most.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there
was a large group of ebike riders, They completely covered
the 3 bike wide trail and were sitting still blocking the
trail and thinking nothing about it. These people are not
bicyclists and haven't even the slightest inkling of curtesy.
This has happened several times with e-bikes riding three
abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
Typical.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to
dumbshits.
"advertise ... to dumbshits."
Good marketing plan! Those folks are a majority!
LOL
It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to putz
along on a bike trail or bike lane or even a street or highway
at 20/25MPH or less without doing it for the exercise and
physical exertion.
Not that I condone their behavior in any way, but as far as the
attraction goes I often tell people that the typical speed of a
bike is perfect for viewing your surroundings. Walking (or even
running) the scenery changes *very* slowly, and in a motor vehicle
at highway speeds it changes so fast as to hinder appreciating it
in depth. At cycling speeds the rate of change in scenery is just
right.
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 14.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>>>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but >>>>> not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>>>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>>>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta
shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
Yup itrCOs a a scooter as to be fair the reviewer noted, itrCOs what you get as
a product of the legislation as Berm peak on that YouTube noted!
I am extremely surprised by the idea of soft-switching a vehicle between >>> vehicle classes. Usually, different vehicle classes have different
requirements concerning insurance and licensing. The legal top speed of >>> a vehicle is defined as 'maximum speed the vehicle can go', not as
'maximum speed for a given setting'.
IrCOd suggest itrCOs done with the full knowledge and expectance that folks >> will use its full output. Ie the companies know and adding features so
folks can break or ignore the laws.
I can imagine an insurance company attorney making just that point, to
the benefit of his client and the detriment of anyone injured by such a machine.
On 8/14/2026 1:26 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:I can imagine an insurance company attorney making just that point,
Am 14.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The >>>>>> reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but >>>>>> not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse >>>>>> for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and >>>>>> not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta >>>>>> shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
Yup itrCOs a a scooter as to be fair the reviewer noted, itrCOs what you get as
a product of the legislation as Berm peak on that YouTube noted!
I am extremely surprised by the idea of soft-switching a vehicle between >>>> vehicle classes. Usually, different vehicle classes have different
requirements concerning insurance and licensing. The legal top speed of >>>> a vehicle is defined as 'maximum speed the vehicle can go', not as
'maximum speed for a given setting'.
IrCOd suggest itrCOs done with the full knowledge and expectance that folks >>> will use its full output. Ie the companies know and adding features so
folks can break or ignore the laws.
to
the benefit of his client and the detriment of anyone injured by such a
machine.
uh, sorta kinda maybe.
The attorneys at insurance firms work for the firm, not the insured
and certainly not the plaintiff.
Despite widespread mistaken belief, insurance companies pay for losses
as delimited in the contract (which many people do not read, of
course). Period. It's a contract, not a judgement or opinion. Their attorneys know every term, every phrase, every space and comma in the documents and all the prior disputes and resolutions.
It's very likely that an importer would be denied insurance coverage
when his product was found to violate US laws. There's usually such a
clause in their insurance contract.
Ditto for the distributor/retailer when selling proscribed products in violation of State Statutes. I certainly do not carry insurance to
cover illegal acts (even if such exists!) and so I do try to ensure my products conform to the Statutes.
A wrinkle is that much regulation applies to use, not the thing
itself. For example when retailers sell clearly marked "off road
vehicles" (not legal for public road use) to miscreants in New York:
https://www.silive.com/crime-safety/2025/06/illegal-dirt-bikes-in-nyc-200-seized-vehicles-crushed-in-staten-island-demolition.html
the violation of 'operation on public roads' was by the operator or
owner, not the importer or distributor or retailer so their insurance
doesn't apply at all.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
On 8/14/2026 1:26 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:I can imagine an insurance company attorney making just that point,
Am 14.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://tinyurl.com/4pm5wj6x
OR
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called ebike. The
reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial, usable as footpegs but >>>>>>> not really for propelling the thing. Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse
for use of facilities restricted to bicycles.
The reviewer seems conflicted: it's plainly a heavy electric scooter and
not a bicycle, but one has to say nice things because shills gotta >>>>>>> shill. The comments that I read seem much less enthusiastic.
Yup itrCOs a a scooter as to be fair the reviewer noted, itrCOs what you get as
a product of the legislation as Berm peak on that YouTube noted!
I am extremely surprised by the idea of soft-switching a vehicle between >>>>> vehicle classes. Usually, different vehicle classes have different
requirements concerning insurance and licensing. The legal top speed of >>>>> a vehicle is defined as 'maximum speed the vehicle can go', not as
'maximum speed for a given setting'.
IrCOd suggest itrCOs done with the full knowledge and expectance that folks
will use its full output. Ie the companies know and adding features so >>>> folks can break or ignore the laws.
to
the benefit of his client and the detriment of anyone injured by such a
machine.
uh, sorta kinda maybe.
The attorneys at insurance firms work for the firm, not the insured
and certainly not the plaintiff.
Of course. Their clients benefit by not paying so much.
Despite widespread mistaken belief, insurance companies pay for losses
as delimited in the contract (which many people do not read, of
course). Period. It's a contract, not a judgement or opinion. Their
attorneys know every term, every phrase, every space and comma in the
documents and all the prior disputes and resolutions.
It's very likely that an importer would be denied insurance coverage
when his product was found to violate US laws. There's usually such a
clause in their insurance contract.
Ditto for the distributor/retailer when selling proscribed products in
violation of State Statutes. I certainly do not carry insurance to
cover illegal acts (even if such exists!) and so I do try to ensure my
products conform to the Statutes.
A wrinkle is that much regulation applies to use, not the thing
itself. For example when retailers sell clearly marked "off road
vehicles" (not legal for public road use) to miscreants in New York:
https://www.silive.com/crime-safety/2025/06/illegal-dirt-bikes-in-nyc-200-seized-vehicles-crushed-in-staten-island-demolition.html
the violation of 'operation on public roads' was by the operator or
owner, not the importer or distributor or retailer so their insurance
doesn't apply at all.
I was guessing that sort of reasoning might apply to operators of the e-scooter in question. By changing vehicle class in a not quite legal
way (even thought that is just too easy) they might invalidate any
insurance that might ordinarily cover them, like motor vehicle,
homeowner, or other liability insurance.
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> writes:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 08:17:07 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 15:38:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/13/2026 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 13 15:39:45 2026 Radey Shouman wrote:
This might be of interest:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/08/pushing-the-limits-infinite-machines-olto-is-barely-a-bicycle/
Yes, thanks.
It is a review in the magazine _Ars_Technica_ of a so-called
ebike. The reviewer does say that the pedals are vestigial,
usable as footpegs but not really for propelling the thing.
Also useful, perhaps, as an excuse for use of facilities
restricted to bicycles.
Ugh. Just what I hate most.
I'll tell you about e-bike riders. On a return today there
was a large group of ebike riders, They completely covered
the 3 bike wide trail and were sitting still blocking the
trail and thinking nothing about it. These people are not
bicyclists and haven't even the slightest inkling of curtesy.
This has happened several times with e-bikes riding three
abreast and not allowing people to pass them.
Typical.
I can only imagine that they advertise e-bikes strictly to
dumbshits.
"advertise ... to dumbshits."
Good marketing plan! Those folks are a majority!
LOL
It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to putz
along on a bike trail or bike lane or even a street or highway
at 20/25MPH or less without doing it for the exercise and
physical exertion.
Not that I condone their behavior in any way, but as far as the
attraction goes I often tell people that the typical speed of a
bike is perfect for viewing your surroundings. Walking (or even
running) the scenery changes *very* slowly, and in a motor vehicle
at highway speeds it changes so fast as to hinder appreciating it
in depth. At cycling speeds the rate of change in scenery is just
right.
That seems a bit narrow minded to me. Every mode of transport gives a >different view of the way, and none is better in every respect. I see
things walking that I would never notice cycling. For example I noticed
a stand of ripening hazelnuts the other day for the first time, on a
walk where I usually cycle.
Cycling does give one a real appreciation for topography. Hills that are >barely noticable afoot loom large on a bike. They might look even
larger if one were pushing a handcart.
Even traveling by airliner gives a view unavailable any other way, if
one favors the window seats.
I have never gone any substantial distance on a horse, but I imagine the >impression one gets is again different from walking, or cycling, or
driving a car. Overhead branches, shouty dogs, and tasty grass would >probably become much more noticeable, but I'm sure there are many things
I can't imagine.
| Sysop: | Amessyroom |
|---|---|
| Location: | Fayetteville, NC |
| Users: | 74 |
| Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
| Uptime: | 54:39:59 |
| Calls: | 1,101 |
| Calls today: | 1 |
| Files: | 1,339 |
| Messages: | 276,321 |