• are there any real mechanics left in these Trek stores and the Like

    From Mark J cleary@mcleary08@comcast.net to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Aug 7 14:41:43 2026
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    Today a friend of mind ask he about his road bike. He has a litespeed Ti
    of older vintage with 10 spd campy. I had worked on it previously about
    2 years ago because no one at the 2 LBS could get it to shift exactly correctly. Well I remember swapping out cable and housing using the
    metal ferrules and going through it and it shifted like a dream. He
    thinks I am the ace mechanic because I could do what the LBS mech could not.

    He hates to bug me knowing and know I only want to work on folks bikes I
    know due to general issues of personal safety and characters showing up
    at my door. But now his Litespeed makes a rubbing metallic noise but
    only going uphill on a grade. Does not happen on flats or going
    downhill. He sort of hears it under him not it back.

    He had a LBS check it out and put it on stand but the mechanic could not
    get it to duplicate the issue. So he says nothing he really can do. He
    had another person at the coop look at it and said same sort of reply.
    So he comes to me and I start trouble shooting. Does is stop when you
    don't pedal? Does the sound seems like it is coming from front on near
    cranks? Does changing gears cause it to stop. I kept asking questions
    and he said no one had done any of that with him. Duh?

    I told him something was flexing to cause that and it could be BB
    bearing going bad, or even a brake rub/tire rub? He got concerned about
    the frame flex thinking that was bad thing. I said no frames will flex
    and something is flexing. I have him a list of things to try riding to
    see if doing these things made it go away or worse. He is in the process
    of doing that and as I explained you have to change only 1 variable at a
    time or you don't know.

    I am waiting for what he might find. My thought is a bad BB bearing
    worn, could be a change ring bold but I doubt that, maybe something in
    the cassette. It is stop though when not pedaling.

    My point is that all the new technology and AI and the local mechanics
    seem to lack ability to diagnose and eliminate. To me it is practicing medicine on a bike.

    I get it nailed nailed down in time.
    --
    Deacon Mark

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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Aug 7 15:07:04 2026
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    On 8/7/2026 2:41 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Today a friend of mind ask he about his road bike. He has a
    litespeed Ti of older vintage with 10 spd campy. I had
    worked on it previously about 2 years ago because no one at
    the 2 LBS could get it to shift exactly correctly. Well I
    remember swapping out cable and housing using the metal
    ferrules and going through it and it shifted like a dream.
    He thinks I am the ace mechanic because I could do what the
    LBS mech could not.

    He hates to bug me knowing and know I only want to work on
    folks bikes I know due to general issues of personal safety
    and characters showing up at my door. But now his Litespeed
    makes a rubbing metallic noise but only going uphill on a
    grade. Does not happen on flats or going downhill. He sort
    of hears it under him not it back.

    He had a LBS check it out and put it on stand but the
    mechanic could not get it to duplicate the issue. So he says
    nothing he really can do. He had another person at the coop
    look at it and said same sort of reply. So he comes to me
    and I start trouble shooting. Does is stop when you don't
    pedal? Does the sound seems like it is coming from front on
    near cranks? Does changing gears cause it to stop. I kept
    asking questions and he said no one had done any of that
    with him. Duh?

    I told him something was flexing to cause that and it could
    be BB bearing going bad, or even a brake rub/tire rub? He
    got concerned about the frame flex thinking that was bad
    thing. I said no frames will flex and something is flexing.
    I have him a list of things to try riding to see if doing
    these things made it go away or worse. He is in the process
    of doing that and as I explained you have to change only 1
    variable at a time or you don't know.

    I am waiting for what he might find. My thought is a bad BB
    bearing worn, could be a change ring bold but I doubt that,
    maybe something in the cassette. It is stop though when not
    pedaling.

    My point is that all the new technology and AI and the local
    mechanics seem to lack ability to diagnose and eliminate. To
    me it is practicing medicine on a bike.

    I get it nailed nailed down in time.

    Congratulations on your technique.

    Yes it could be a crank bearing. Slip the chain off the
    inside and turn the crank in your fingers. Roughness? Press
    inward and repeat. Hold both arms and feel for play.

    If still no resolution, stand on the pedals holding the
    front brake firmly, right hand on a table or doorway. Press
    hard on one pedal, backpedal, repeat with the other pedal.

    Crank-to-spindle noises are different for the various crank
    formats, so no general rule there.

    Could also be a new tire a bit too wide for the frame. Tight
    spot is between the chainstays so look there first. Any
    paint scuff on inside face the chainstay? If that's true,
    normal frame flex will cause the rub.

    You may be at a disadvantage without actually test riding
    the bike. Noises are difficult enough, but remote diagnosis
    or bike stand diagnosis makes sleuthing harder.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From Mark J cleary@mcleary08@comcast.net to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Aug 7 15:30:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 8/7/2026 3:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 8/7/2026 2:41 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Today a friend of mind ask he about his road bike. He has a litespeed
    Ti of older vintage with 10 spd campy. I had worked on it previously
    about 2 years ago because no one at the 2 LBS could get it to shift
    exactly correctly. Well I remember swapping out cable and housing
    using the metal ferrules and going through it and it shifted like a
    dream. He thinks I am the ace mechanic because I could do what the LBS
    mech could not.

    He hates to bug me knowing and know I only want to work on folks bikes
    I know due to general issues of personal safety and characters showing
    up at my door. But now his Litespeed makes a rubbing metallic noise
    but only going uphill on a grade. Does not happen on flats or going
    downhill. He sort of hears it under him not it back.

    He had a LBS check it out and put it on stand but the mechanic could
    not get it to duplicate the issue. So he says nothing he really can
    do. He had another person at the coop look at it and said same sort of
    reply. So he comes to me and I start trouble shooting. Does is stop
    when you don't pedal? Does the sound seems like it is coming from
    front on near cranks? Does changing gears cause it to stop. I kept
    asking questions and he said no one had done any of that with him. Duh?

    I told him something was flexing to cause that and it could be BB
    bearing going bad, or even a brake rub/tire rub? He got concerned
    about the frame flex thinking that was bad thing. I said no frames
    will flex and something is flexing. I have him a list of things to try
    riding to see if doing these things made it go away or worse. He is in
    the process of doing that and as I explained you have to change only 1
    variable at a time or you don't know.

    I am waiting for what he might find. My thought is a bad BB bearing
    worn, could be a change ring bold but I doubt that, maybe something in
    the cassette. It is stop though when not pedaling.

    My point is that all the new technology and AI and the local mechanics
    seem to lack ability to diagnose and eliminate. To me it is practicing
    medicine on a bike.

    I get it nailed nailed down in time.

    Congratulations on your technique.

    Yes it could be a crank bearing. Slip the chain off the inside and turn
    the crank in your fingers. Roughness? Press inward and repeat. Hold both arms and feel for play.

    If still no resolution, stand on the pedals holding the front brake
    firmly, right hand on a table or doorway. Press hard on one pedal, backpedal, repeat with the other pedal.

    Crank-to-spindle noises are different for the various crank formats, so
    no general rule there.

    Could also be a new tire a bit too wide for the frame. Tight spot is
    between the chainstays so look there first. Any paint scuff on inside
    face the chainstay? If that's true, normal frame flex will cause the rub.

    You may be at a disadvantage without actually test riding the bike.
    Noises are difficult enough, but remote diagnosis or bike stand
    diagnosis makes sleuthing harder.

    Yes thanks Andrew I don't ride 2 wheels outside but I can do the things
    you suggested when he gets me the bike. I did tell him also to remove
    the chain to feel the bearings as such but he may not really have the experience to tell. The can be fine in some positions but when going bad
    they will make noise if anything not lined straight.
    --
    Deacon Mark
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