• The rift between technology and culture

    From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Jul 15 07:25:02 2026
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    cyclingindustry.news/survey-exposes-publics-confusion-over-legal-electric-bikes-industry-launches-e-bike-positive-trust-mark
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    Andrew Muzi
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  • From Ted Heise@theise@panix.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Jul 15 13:59:06 2026
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    On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 07:25:02 -0500,
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    cyclingindustry.news/survey-exposes-publics-confusion-over-legal-electric-bikes-industry-launches-e-bike-positive-trust-mark

    Interesting. I took special note of "the legal speed at which an
    eBikerCOs motor must stop assisting the ride (the answer is
    15.5mph),"

    Realizing this is reportedly for the UK, it still strikes me as
    perhaps too low for some settings. On one hand, 15.5 mph seems
    good for trail use (i.e., when mixing with pedestrians). On the
    other hand, I've been on plenty of group rides where a rider or
    two are using the e-assist to keep up with 18-20 mph group speeds.
    Maybe that other hand shouldn't be street legal, though.
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    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> Gretna, NE, USA
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  • From Rolf Mantel@news@hartig-mantel.de to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Jul 15 17:11:40 2026
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    Am 15.07.2026 um 15:59 schrieb Ted Heise:
    On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 07:25:02 -0500,
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    cyclingindustry.news/survey-exposes-publics-confusion-over-legal-electric-bikes-industry-launches-e-bike-positive-trust-mark

    Interesting. I took special note of "the legal speed at which an
    eBikerCOs motor must stop assisting the ride (the answer is
    15.5mph),"

    Realizing this is reportedly for the UK, it still strikes me as
    perhaps too low for some settings.
    Legal frameworks don't care for 'some settings' but are arbitrary.

    European legal tradition is that the cutoff between 'motor-assisted' and 'motorized' is at a motorized top speed of 25 km/h (15.5mph).
    Other seemingly random cutoff points are:
    - motor vehicles not exceeding 45 km/h (28 mph) have reduced
    requirements for minimum age and insurance - but the typical in-town
    speed limit is 50 km/h (31 mph) so 45 km/h vehicles are seen as a pest blocking traffic flows
    - Only motor vehicle exceeding a top speed of 60 km/h are allowed on 'high-speed highways' so some trucks are classified as having a top
    speed of 62 km/h (and in some European countries there used to be a
    driver's licence for mopeds with a top speed of 60 km/h, so they were
    not allowed on the autobahn highway network).
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  • From Roger Merriman@roger@sarlet.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Jul 15 16:47:24 2026
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    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 07:25:02 -0500,
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    cyclingindustry.news/survey-exposes-publics-confusion-over-legal-electric-bikes-industry-launches-e-bike-positive-trust-mark

    Interesting. I took special note of "the legal speed at which an
    eBikerCOs motor must stop assisting the ride (the answer is
    15.5mph),"

    Realizing this is reportedly for the UK, it still strikes me as
    perhaps too low for some settings. On one hand, 15.5 mph seems
    good for trail use (i.e., when mixing with pedestrians). On the
    other hand, I've been on plenty of group rides where a rider or
    two are using the e-assist to keep up with 18-20 mph group speeds.
    Maybe that other hand shouldn't be street legal, though.

    On E MTB assuming yourCOre doing more than fire roads itrCOs fine, as speeds tend to be lower than that, and in general MTB has become more gravity
    focused.

    For utility bikes, again itrCOs fine, is a somewhat jarring cut off on the dockless hire bikes. Which doesnrCOt seem the to be the same on E MTB so is probably due to fairly agricultural and cheap drive the dockless bikes use.

    Considering how and where commuters and utility bikes are used ie lot of
    mixing with pedestrians having a reasonable limit seems fine.

    A E bike roadie is rather rare, I have seen them but they are largely
    missing the point, unless itrCOs the very social rides.

    Hence E bikes seem to be cargo/dockless/MTB as thatrCOs where they fit well.

    Looking at the US and even other places that have allowed E bikes with
    higher speeds this has driven up casualties and generally made trails/bike paths more hostile places. In short the 15.5 mph limit of assistance seems about right, and in that sense does work.

    Roger Merriman

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