Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpgRim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that disks are more powerful is demonstrably wrong. i have locked rim brakes often and even rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and struck my head on the trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until nearly to late I hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper of the car and this with Gatorskins of the bike.
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that disks are more
powerful is demonstrably wrong. i have locked rim brakes often and even rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and struck my head on the trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until nearly to late I
hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper of the car and
this with Gatorskins of the bike.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since the are purposely exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem with road bikes
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since the are purposely exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem with road bikes
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that disks are more
powerful is demonstrably wrong.
i have locked rim brakes often and even
rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and struck my head on the
trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until nearly to late I
hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper of the car and
this with Gatorskins of the bike.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since the are purposely
exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem with road bikes
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi-a wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that disks are more
powerful is demonstrably wrong.
Well, demonstrate it then....Besides, you've claimed repeatedly in this forum that disc brakes are bad for bikes because they have too much
power. Here's one example: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/pfsO-q6qYaY/m/kJr0MdrDAQAJ
"I consider them extraneous on road bike. Far too powerful for a 16 lb bike."
Here's another: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uREthtpJ8BY/m/I--V52JsBQAJ
"I ride on the flats with gravel bikes and disks are WAYYY too strong
for me"
and another: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uREthtpJ8BY/m/fhDwboHFBQAJ "Disks are simply too powerful and too easy to lock up"
and another: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/ffqs2o-wiyQ/m/hKFs3pkzAwAJ "They work well but are FAR too powerful for a gravel bike"
i have locked rim brakes often and even
rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and struck my head on the >>> trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until nearly to late I >>> hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper of the car and
this with Gatorskins of the bike.
Yes, you can lock up a wheel with rim brakes, no one has ever argued , but that you can't. The point is that it takes less power applied to the
lever with a disc brake, IOW you get more braking power with less grip force. Whether you need more braking power on a road bike or not is
another matter.
It's physics tommy, the laws are the same for you as they are for the
rest of us, whether you like it or not.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since the are purposely >>> exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem with road bikes
You do if you ride where is wet and muddy....
On 7/16/2026 5:51 AM, zen cycle wrote:
I was not one to embrace disc brakes but frankly there is no doubt they
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi-a wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that disks are more
powerful is demonstrably wrong.
Well, demonstrate it then....Besides, you've claimed repeatedly in this
forum that disc brakes are bad for bikes because they have too much
power. Here's one example:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/pfsO-q6qYaY/m/kJr0MdrDAQAJ >> "I consider them extraneous on road bike. Far too powerful for a 16 lb
bike."
Here's another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uREthtpJ8BY/m/I--V52JsBQAJ >> "I ride on the flats with gravel bikes and disks are WAYYY too strong
for me"
and another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uREthtpJ8BY/m/fhDwboHFBQAJ >> "Disks are simply too powerful and too easy to lock up"
and another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/ffqs2o-wiyQ/m/hKFs3pkzAwAJ >> "They work well but are FAR too powerful for a gravel bike"
i have locked rim brakes often and even
rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and struck my head on the >>>> trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until nearly to late I >>>> hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper of the car and >>>> this with Gatorskins of the bike.
Yes, you can lock up a wheel with rim brakes, no one has ever argued , but >> that you can't. The point is that it takes less power applied to the
lever with a disc brake, IOW you get more braking power with less grip
force. Whether you need more braking power on a road bike or not is
another matter.
It's physics tommy, the laws are the same for you as they are for the
rest of us, whether you like it or not.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since the are purposely >>>> exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem with road bikes
You do if you ride where is wet and muddy....
are better in the rain and going down fast descents. Rim brakes go much worse in wet and they can over heat in a big downhill. It is hard to me
to imagine they can heat a rim enough to blowa tire but they say it is possible. The pads though can definitely melt. Disc brakes far superior
but the question is do you really need them?
On 7/16/2026 5:51 AM, zen cycle wrote:
I was not one to embrace disc brakes but frankly there is no
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi-a wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that
disks are more
powerful is demonstrably wrong.
Well, demonstrate it then....Besides, you've claimed
repeatedly in this forum that disc brakes are bad for
bikes because they have too much power. Here's one example:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/pfsO-
q6qYaY/m/kJr0MdrDAQAJ
"I consider them extraneous on road bike. Far too powerful
for a 16 lb bike."
Here's another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/
uREthtpJ8BY/m/I--V52JsBQAJ
"I ride on the flats with gravel bikes and disks are WAYYY
too strong for me"
and another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/
uREthtpJ8BY/m/fhDwboHFBQAJ
"Disks are simply too powerful and too easy to lock up"
and another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/ffqs2o-
wiyQ/m/hKFs3pkzAwAJ
"They work well but are FAR too powerful for a gravel bike"
i have locked rim brakes often and even
rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and
struck my head on the
trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until
nearly to late I
hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper
of the car and
this with Gatorskins of the bike.
Yes, you can lock up a wheel with rim brakes, no one has
ever argued , but that you can't. The point is that it
takes less power applied to the lever with a disc brake,
IOW you get more braking power with less grip force.
Whether you need more braking power on a road bike or not
is another matter.
It's physics tommy, the laws are the same for you as they
are for the rest of us, whether you like it or not.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since
the are purposely
exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem
with road bikes
You do if you ride where is wet and muddy....
doubt they are better in the rain and going down fast
descents. Rim brakes go much worse in wet and they can over
heat in a big downhill. It is hard to me to imagine they can
heat a rim enough to blowa-a tire but they say it is
possible. The pads though can definitely melt. Disc brakes
far superior but the question is do you really need them?
On 7/16/2026 5:51 AM, zen cycle wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that disks are more powerful is demonstrably wrong. i have locked rim brakes often and even rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and struck my head on the trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until nearly to late I hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper of the car and this with Gatorskins of the bike.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since the are purposely exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem with road bikes
It?s certainly true that for myself I was more bothered by the gearing onI did a lot of riding in wet weather though nothing like Brtaish weather. So I didn't have much problem with rim brakes though I can easily imagine that disks are much better for MTB tires and deep mud.
the roadie which considering its price point, ie likely to be a commuter or similar, than an aspiring roadie, the rim brakes have been fine did require new pads as the originals where fairly poor!
My commute to be fair is a flat route, fair amount of no interaction with others, no stop start traffic vs for example riding into central where you use the brakes much more so, and indeed at the time they where where
becoming available the guys who do this day in day out, said they expected
to save money on new wheels as rotors and pads are rather less expensive!
The Gravel bike with its 160mm rotors can if one wants to, brake very hard, the MTB with larger rotors you can push even harder, and can absolutely
apply rather more force than a rim brake.
Locking a wheel let alone doing a endo is lack of control indicator than
how powerful the brakes are, brakes like rim brakes that have less
modulation ie rather on/off braking need greater care to avoid locking up.
To Andrew?s point I?ve certainly seen bikes that have been sprayed with
WD40 and having to be taken in to be sorted!
Rather surprising the roadie requires more maintenance to its brakes than
the other commuter that has disks as the dual pivots get gummed up and then become sticky and more on/off vs the disks which maybe collect some oils
but bar being noisy it?s relatively benign, this being the commute I?m not pushing hard so minor reductions in performance are just not something I worry about! The Gravel or MTB sure yes I?d get it sorted but the commute it?s not an issue.
On Thu Jul 16 11:18:10 2026 Mark J cleary wrote:
On 7/16/2026 5:51 AM, zen cycle wrote:
I was not one to embrace disc brakes but frankly there is no doubt they
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Jul 14 13:29:33 2026 AMuzi wrote:
Disc systems get hot, and are ruined by contamination with
wax, brake fluid or oil products.
This, apparently, is a secret.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/discuser.jpg
Rim brakes do not have these problems. The idea that disks are more
powerful is demonstrably wrong.
Well, demonstrate it then....Besides, you've claimed repeatedly in this >>> forum that disc brakes are bad for bikes because they have too much
power. Here's one example:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/pfsO-q6qYaY/m/kJr0MdrDAQAJ >>> "I consider them extraneous on road bike. Far too powerful for a 16 lb
bike."
Here's another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uREthtpJ8BY/m/I--V52JsBQAJ >>> "I ride on the flats with gravel bikes and disks are WAYYY too strong
for me"
and another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/uREthtpJ8BY/m/fhDwboHFBQAJ >>> "Disks are simply too powerful and too easy to lock up"
and another:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/ffqs2o-wiyQ/m/hKFs3pkzAwAJ >>> "They work well but are FAR too powerful for a gravel bike"
i have locked rim brakes often and even
rotated the entire bike around the front wheel and struck my head on the >>>>> trunk of a parked car that I had failed to notice until nearly to late I >>>>> hit my helmet before the front wheel hit the rear bumper of the car and >>>>> this with Gatorskins of the bike.
Yes, you can lock up a wheel with rim brakes, no one has ever argued , but >>> that you can't. The point is that it takes less power applied to the
lever with a disc brake, IOW you get more braking power with less grip
force. Whether you need more braking power on a road bike or not is
another matter.
It's physics tommy, the laws are the same for you as they are for the
rest of us, whether you like it or not.
While there might be some use for disks on MTB's since the are purposely >>>>> exposed to water and mud, you don't have that problem with road bikes
You do if you ride where is wet and muddy....
are better in the rain and going down fast descents. Rim brakes go much
worse in wet and they can over heat in a big downhill. It is hard to me
to imagine they can heat a rim enough to blowa tire but they say it is
possible. The pads though can definitely melt. Disc brakes far superior
but the question is do you really need them?
I disagree Mark - disk brakes with their smaller diameter clear the water
off of the disks faster than rim brakes but both do it. And disks make
one heck of a lot of noise clearing the water.
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