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https://nypost.com/2026/05/29/opinion/how-many-must-die-before-nyc-gets-real-on-policing-e-bikes/

Note the reader comments at the bottom, several from actual
cyclists.
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://nypost.com/2026/05/29/opinion/how-many-must-die-before-nyc-gets-real-on-policing-e-bikes/

Note the reader comments at the bottom, several from actual
cyclists.

Comments as ever should be taken with large amounts of salt!

This said to compare to London, NewYork which has similar populations,
though London has a slightly higher cycling mode share.

Both have an increase in casualties ie not just fatalities, which are
likely to be linked to motor vehicles I believe same is true for
pedestrians, which would track for motor vehicles being the cause for
whatever reason.

I can only remember two pedestrian fatalities in london in the last decade
or so, one was someone doing laps of Regents Park, who collided with an
older lady.

The other was a dump lad on a fixie without any brakes, who rode recklessly
and killed a woman crossing the road, he was taken to court and jailed, he
was dumb enough to post some unapologetic posts to one of the forums at the time, so wasnrCOt surprising that he was found guilty.

That New York has a repeated number of fatalities of pedestrians from cyclists/e bikes/e motos is poor, clearly be rather less than motor
vehicles, but even so.

It appears that New York has a similar e bike speed assistance, ie 15mph
though IrCOd guess still allowing throttles which arenrCOt legal in UK, which makes the enforcement easier, are such things as walk mode on E MTB so the
bike will drive slowly up unridable climbs so you donrCOt have to lug a 20+
KG up!

Roger Merriman
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On 5/30/2026 3:53 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://nypost.com/2026/05/29/opinion/how-many-must-die-before-nyc-gets-real-on-policing-e-bikes/

Note the reader comments at the bottom, several from actual
cyclists.

Comments as ever should be taken with large amounts of salt!

This said to compare to London, NewYork which has similar populations,
though London has a slightly higher cycling mode share.

Both have an increase in casualties ie not just fatalities, which are
likely to be linked to motor vehicles I believe same is true for
pedestrians, which would track for motor vehicles being the cause for whatever reason.

I can only remember two pedestrian fatalities in london in the last decade
or so, one was someone doing laps of Regents Park, who collided with an
older lady.

The other was a dump lad on a fixie without any brakes, who rode recklessly and killed a woman crossing the road, he was taken to court and jailed, he was dumb enough to post some unapologetic posts to one of the forums at the time, so wasnrCOt surprising that he was found guilty.

That New York has a repeated number of fatalities of pedestrians from cyclists/e bikes/e motos is poor, clearly be rather less than motor
vehicles, but even so.

It appears that New York has a similar e bike speed assistance, ie 15mph though IrCOd guess still allowing throttles which arenrCOt legal in UK, which makes the enforcement easier, are such things as walk mode on E MTB so the bike will drive slowly up unridable climbs so you donrCOt have to lug a 20+ KG up!

Roger Merriman

Well, yes and no. Statutes notwithstanding, the actual
vehicles on New York streets are very capable electric
motorcycles, lawful "e-bicycles" being a distinct minority.
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On Sun May 31 08:23:16 2026 AMuzi wrote:

On 5/30/2026 3:53 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://nypost.com/2026/05/29/opinion/how-many-must-die-before-nyc-gets-real-on-policing-e-bikes/

Note the reader comments at the bottom, several from actual
cyclists.

Comments as ever should be taken with large amounts of salt!

This said to compare to London, NewYork which has similar populations, though London has a slightly higher cycling mode share.

Both have an increase in casualties ie not just fatalities, which are likely to be linked to motor vehicles I believe same is true for pedestrians, which would track for motor vehicles being the cause for whatever reason.

I can only remember two pedestrian fatalities in london in the last decade or so, one was someone doing laps of Regents Park, who collided with an older lady.

The other was a dump lad on a fixie without any brakes, who rode recklessly and killed a woman crossing the road, he was taken to court and jailed, he was dumb enough to post some unapologetic posts to one of the forums at the time, so wasn?t surprising that he was found guilty.

That New York has a repeated number of fatalities of pedestrians from cyclists/e bikes/e motos is poor, clearly be rather less than motor vehicles, but even so.

It appears that New York has a similar e bike speed assistance, ie 15mph though I?d guess still allowing throttles which aren?t legal in UK, which makes the enforcement easier, are such things as walk mode on E MTB so the bike will drive slowly up unridable climbs so you don?t have to lug a 20+ KG up!

Roger Merriman

Well, yes and no. Statutes notwithstanding, the actual
vehicles on New York streets are very capable electric
motorcycles, lawful "e-bicycles" being a distinct minority.

My friend has an e-bike from Specialized that doesn't kick in until a certain amount of power is being expended and this is a true electric assist. Or so he says.
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun May 31 08:23:16 2026 AMuzi wrote:

On 5/30/2026 3:53 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://nypost.com/2026/05/29/opinion/how-many-must-die-before-nyc-gets-real-on-policing-e-bikes/

Note the reader comments at the bottom, several from actual
cyclists.

Comments as ever should be taken with large amounts of salt!

This said to compare to London, NewYork which has similar populations,
though London has a slightly higher cycling mode share.

Both have an increase in casualties ie not just fatalities, which are
likely to be linked to motor vehicles I believe same is true for
pedestrians, which would track for motor vehicles being the cause for
whatever reason.

I can only remember two pedestrian fatalities in london in the last decade >>> or so, one was someone doing laps of Regents Park, who collided with an
older lady.

The other was a dump lad on a fixie without any brakes, who rode recklessly >>> and killed a woman crossing the road, he was taken to court and jailed, he >>> was dumb enough to post some unapologetic posts to one of the forums at the >>> time, so wasn?t surprising that he was found guilty.

That New York has a repeated number of fatalities of pedestrians from
cyclists/e bikes/e motos is poor, clearly be rather less than motor
vehicles, but even so.

It appears that New York has a similar e bike speed assistance, ie 15mph >>> though I?d guess still allowing throttles which aren?t legal in UK, which >>> makes the enforcement easier, are such things as walk mode on E MTB so the >>> bike will drive slowly up unridable climbs so you don?t have to lug a 20+ >>> KG up!

Roger Merriman

Well, yes and no. Statutes notwithstanding, the actual
vehicles on New York streets are very capable electric
motorcycles, lawful "e-bicycles" being a distinct minority.

My friend has an e-bike from Specialized that doesn't kick in until a
certain amount of power is being expended and this is a true electric
assist. Or so he says.

ThatrCOs just a torque sensor e bike, which the better/more expensive e bikes particularly E MTBrCOs use, depending on where would have a speed limiter to the assist, cheaper. E bikes can surge when you touch the pedal or even
kick them which is generally tedious.

Roger Merriman

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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 5/30/2026 3:53 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://nypost.com/2026/05/29/opinion/how-many-must-die-before-nyc-gets-real-on-policing-e-bikes/

Note the reader comments at the bottom, several from actual
cyclists.

Comments as ever should be taken with large amounts of salt!

This said to compare to London, NewYork which has similar populations,
though London has a slightly higher cycling mode share.

Both have an increase in casualties ie not just fatalities, which are
likely to be linked to motor vehicles I believe same is true for
pedestrians, which would track for motor vehicles being the cause for
whatever reason.

I can only remember two pedestrian fatalities in london in the last decade >> or so, one was someone doing laps of Regents Park, who collided with an
older lady.

The other was a dump lad on a fixie without any brakes, who rode recklessly >> and killed a woman crossing the road, he was taken to court and jailed, he >> was dumb enough to post some unapologetic posts to one of the forums at the >> time, so wasnrCOt surprising that he was found guilty.

That New York has a repeated number of fatalities of pedestrians from
cyclists/e bikes/e motos is poor, clearly be rather less than motor
vehicles, but even so.

It appears that New York has a similar e bike speed assistance, ie 15mph
though IrCOd guess still allowing throttles which arenrCOt legal in UK, which
makes the enforcement easier, are such things as walk mode on E MTB so the >> bike will drive slowly up unridable climbs so you donrCOt have to lug a 20+ >> KG up!

Roger Merriman

Well, yes and no. Statutes notwithstanding, the actual
vehicles on New York streets are very capable electric
motorcycles, lawful "e-bicycles" being a distinct minority.

That would be quite different to London if true, most e-bikes are very
much legal as they are hire bikes, be that the Boris bikes that have docks
or the dock-less ones, the illegal ones, do see particularly used by
delivery riders.

They are tolerated, though clearly if they advertise themselves they will
get the bike impounded, fined and not able to work for a while, so itrCOs in their interest to not advertise themselves that the police will take a interest.

DonrCOt see that many legal privately owned E bikes for commuting or utility bar cargo bikes that near 100% are, generally used by mum for the school
run, but cost and distance/speed are factors, London has a healthy number
of cycle commuters that cycle from the outer suburbs to central, such folks
the average or at least mean speed is high enough that a E bike makes
little difference, as your riding along above the cut off point of
assistance, my average tends to be lower than the cut off unlike some of
the faster folks I know. But even so significant periods IrCOd be over the limit.

Hence on the roadie I do tend to pass the legal and the not so legal E
bikes, the E motos with the fat tyres IrCOve found look and sound like they
are going faster than they are.

Roger Merriman


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