I have an entire week of rides left this month and good weather. This month so far I have more niles than last month.Right now I have 2000 miloes and almost 6 weeks left before the secound half of the year.
My power output seems to be around 130 watts and 11 mph average.
But my heart rate is getting too high. If I hold over 120 bpm I start getting exhausted. Getting old is not for cowards.
On Sun May 24 20:19:54 2026 cyclintom wrote:
I have an entire week of rides left this month and good weather. This month so far I have more niles than last month.
My power output seems to be around 130 watts and 11 mph average.
But my heart rate is getting too high. If I hold over 120 bpm I start getting exhausted. Getting old is not for cowards.
Right now I have 2000 miloes and almost 6 weeks left before the secound half of the year.When I was 78 I wasn't having any problems at all. I was group riding at their pace without a problem. upon turning 80 it all disappeared overnight.
At 81 going on 82 I'm still looking for something that will make me feel better on rides. But there may not be anything. Though the guy on cycling in souther California doesn't seem to have the same problems.
On Mon May 25 22:45:34 2026 cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 24 20:19:54 2026 cyclintom wrote:
I have an entire week of rides left this month and good weather. This month so far I have more niles than last month.
My power output seems to be around 130 watts and 11 mph average.
But my heart rate is getting too high. If I hold over 120 bpm I start getting exhausted. Getting old is not for cowards.
Right now I have 2000 miloes and almost 6 weeks left before the secound half of the year.
At 81 going on 82 I'm still looking for something that will make me feel better on rides. But there may not be anything. Though the guy on cycling in souther California doesn't seem to have the same problems.
When I was 78 I wasn't having any problems at all. I was group riding at their pace without a problem. upon turning 80 it all disappeared overnight.
Sarcopenia:
<https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23167-sarcopenia>
We lose muscle mass and strength with age. The muscle strength
typically becomes a slow decline starting at about age 40. At age 80,
you're looking at 30 to 50% muscle loss. See graph: ><https://goqii.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Gemini_Generated_Image_yladp0yladp0ylad-768x539.png>
Am Sun, 31 May 2026 11:22:53 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann ><jeffl@cruzio.com>:
Sarcopenia: >><https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23167-sarcopenia>
We lose muscle mass and strength with age. The muscle strength
typically becomes a slow decline starting at about age 40. At age 80, >>you're looking at 30 to 50% muscle loss. See graph: >><https://goqii.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Gemini_Generated_Image_yladp0yladp0ylad-768x539.png>
Problem with those graphs: They don't tell about about
influencing parameters. Is this a population average? In that
case, the graph might just show how many people do strength and
endurance training at what age.
On Mon, 01 Jun 2026 10:20:34 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 31 May 2026 11:22:53 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann >><jeffl@cruzio.com>:
Sarcopenia: >>><https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23167-sarcopenia>
We lose muscle mass and strength with age. The muscle strength
typically becomes a slow decline starting at about age 40. At age 80, >>>you're looking at 30 to 50% muscle loss. See graph: >>><https://goqii.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Gemini_Generated_Image_yladp0yladp0ylad-768x539.png>
Problem with those graphs: They don't tell about about
influencing parameters. Is this a population average? In that
case, the graph might just show how many people do strength and
endurance training at what age.
Agreed. That's why the claim is a range of possible muscle loss
instead of a specific number that is applicable only to a specific >individual. I'm sure the graphs can be improved. However, it this
case, my intent was to show that muscle loss is related to aging and >potentially a serious problem. The exact value can be calculated
using a more detailed statistical approach.
"An overview of sarcopenia: facts and numbers on prevalence and
clinical impact"
<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3060646/> ><https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3060646/pdf/13539_2010_Article_14.pdf>
"On average, it is estimated that 5 - 13% of elderly people aged 60 -
70 years are affected by sarcopenia. The numbers increase to 11 - 50%
for those aged 80 or above."
Table 1 provides references to large scale studies.
"An overview of sarcopenia: facts and numbers on prevalence and
clinical impact"
I'm trying
various forms of resistance training and high protein diets. I only
see small improvements. If I stop exercising, my strength drops
rapidly.
Am Mon, 01 Jun 2026 09:56:55 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>:
...
"An overview of sarcopenia: facts and numbers on prevalence and
clinical impact"
...
I did a little bit of reading about how that prevalence is
defined.
<https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s11556-020-00255-5.pdf> <https://www.medbridge.com/blog/5-times-sit-to-stand-test-how-to-administer-interpret-and-apply-norms>
A simple test called "5 times sit to stand test" or simply
sit-to-stand test (5TSTS). Cutoffs differ, but
* Healthy adults under 60: < 10 seconds
* Adults over 60: 11rCo14 seconds is typical
* >15 seconds: May indicate increased fall risk or weakness
seems to be the range used for screening done by physical
therapists.
<https://www.sbphysio.com/blog/sit-to-stand-test-a-simple-measure-of-strength-and-balance>
Well, I hadnrCOt heard of this method (or of sarcopenia in general)
before this thread. So I just tried a 5TSTS this morning, before
my daily training. Did five repetitions in slightly more than
five seconds (5.5s, to be precise). Easy peasy. So I tried it
again, stopping after twenty repetitions. Result: slightly less
than twenty seconds. Still not exhausting.
IMHO, that exercise is similar to what is called "parallel squat"
in the following picture, but without the weight.
<https://legionathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Squat-Depths-768x551.png>
I can do twenty of these without even getting out of breath. I
don't do it with weights because of my damaged knee, but just
doing it a few times is actually good for the joints. In actual
fact, I *need* it, after sitting too long in front of a display.
In <cuto1l57vkijiod3s6tg3ffhm8iqtqod82@4ax.com> you wrote
I'm trying
various forms of resistance training and high protein diets. I only
see small improvements. If I stop exercising, my strength drops
rapidly.
So just don't stop. Don't underestimate small improvements! Over
time, small improvements turn into bigger ones, and eventually
it's just a matter of maintaining that level.
In my experience, developing a routine is important. What you do
depends on what equipment you have available and what you're
capable of doing. So, what exactly do you do?
In my opinion, special diets are overrated, a balanced diet is
perfectly sufficient. We prefer Mediterranean cuisine. Luckily,
we have a great fish shop right around the corner, so we enjoy an
excellent fish dish once a week.
I did a little bit of reading about how that prevalence is
defined.
<https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s11556-020-00255-5.pdf> ><https://www.medbridge.com/blog/5-times-sit-to-stand-test-how-to-administer-interpret-and-apply-norms>
A simple test called "5 times sit to stand test" or simply
sit-to-stand test (5TSTS). Cutoffs differ, but
* Healthy adults under 60: < 10 seconds
* Adults over 60: 11u14 seconds is typical
* >15 seconds: May indicate increased fall risk or weakness
seems to be the range used for screening done by physical
therapists.
I can do twenty of these without even getting out of breath. I
don't do it with weights because of my damaged knee, but just
doing it a few times is actually good for the joints. In actual
fact, I *need* it, after sitting too long in front of a display.
On Thu, 04 Jun 2026 10:51:41 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Fast reply. I need to get ready for a busy day of doctors
appointment, Costco shopping, market shopping, truck trailer repair,
computer repair, chainsaw repair, etc. I'll probably re-appear on
Friday evening or Saturday.
I did a little bit of reading about how that prevalence is
defined.
<https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s11556-020-00255-5.pdf> >><https://www.medbridge.com/blog/5-times-sit-to-stand-test-how-to-administer-interpret-and-apply-norms>
A simple test called "5 times sit to stand test" or simply
sit-to-stand test (5TSTS). Cutoffs differ, but
* Healthy adults under 60: < 10 seconds
* Adults over 60: 11u14 seconds is typical
* >15 seconds: May indicate increased fall risk or weakness
seems to be the range used for screening done by physical
therapists.
Thanks. I hadn't heard of that test before. The paper seems to be
about establishing new testing criteria for physical therapists.
(...) >><https://legionathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Squat-Depths-768x551.png>
I can do twenty of these without even getting out of breath. I
don't do it with weights because of my damaged knee, but just
doing it a few times is actually good for the joints. In actual
fact, I *need* it, after sitting too long in front of a display.
No weights here. I did 2 minutes of squats without stopping. I
forgot to count. Slightly tired at 20. I then did 5 squats in 20
seconds. I wasn't trying to go quickly and stupidly did the test
immediately after the first test. I need to re-read the instructions
and try again.
Incidentally, all my chairs are swivel chairs, which makes this test a
bit of a challenge with arms crossed.
Where I start to feel lower leg muscle (calf) pain is climbing my 50
stairs, while carrying 25 to 30 lbs of firewood. Over the years, the
number of trips up/down the stairs I can manage has decreased and the
rest stops have increased. I'm hardly a candidate for sarcopenia, but >definitely a trend in the wrong direction. In my case, the problem is
mild claudication and PAD (peripheral artery disease) clogged
arteries: ><https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/claudication/symptoms-causes/syc-20370952>
On Thu, 04 Jun 2026 10:51:41 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Fast reply. I need to get ready for a busy day of doctors
appointment, Costco shopping, market shopping, truck trailer repair,
computer repair, chainsaw repair, etc. I'll probably re-appear on
Friday evening or Saturday.
I did a little bit of reading about how that prevalence is
defined.
<https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s11556-020-00255-5.pdf>
<https://www.medbridge.com/blog/5-times-sit-to-stand-test-how-to-administer-interpret-and-apply-norms>
A simple test called "5 times sit to stand test" or simply
sit-to-stand test (5TSTS). Cutoffs differ, but
* Healthy adults under 60: < 10 seconds
* Adults over 60: 11rCo14 seconds is typical
* >15 seconds: May indicate increased fall risk or weakness
seems to be the range used for screening done by physical
therapists.
Thanks. I hadn't heard of that test before. The paper seems to be
about establishing new testing criteria for physical therapists.
(...)
<https://legionathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Squat-Depths-768x551.png>
I can do twenty of these without even getting out of breath. I
don't do it with weights because of my damaged knee, but just
doing it a few times is actually good for the joints. In actual
fact, I *need* it, after sitting too long in front of a display.
No weights here. I did 2 minutes of squats without stopping. I
forgot to count. Slightly tired at 20. I then did 5 squats in 20
seconds. I wasn't trying to go quickly and stupidly did the test
immediately after the first test. I need to re-read the instructions
and try again.
Incidentally, all my chairs are swivel chairs, which makes this test a
bit of a challenge with arms crossed.
Where I start to feel lower leg muscle (calf) pain is climbing my 50
stairs, while carrying 25 to 30 lbs of firewood. Over the years, the
number of trips up/down the stairs I can manage has decreased and the
rest stops have increased. I'm hardly a candidate for sarcopenia, but definitely a trend in the wrong direction. In my case, the problem is
mild claudication and PAD (peripheral artery disease) clogged
arteries: <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/claudication/symptoms-causes/syc-20370952>
On 6/4/2026 11:37 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2026 10:51:41 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Fast reply.-a I need to get ready for a busy day of doctors
appointment, Costco shopping, market shopping, truck trailer repair,
computer repair, chainsaw repair, etc.-a I'll probably re-appear on
Friday evening or Saturday.
I did a little bit of reading about how that prevalence is
defined.
<https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s11556-020-00255-5.pdf>
<https://www.medbridge.com/blog/5-times-sit-to-stand-test-how-to-
administer-interpret-and-apply-norms>
A simple test called "5 times sit to stand test" or simply
sit-to-stand test (5TSTS). Cutoffs differ, but
* Healthy adults under 60: < 10 seconds
* Adults over 60: 11rCo14 seconds is typical
* >15 seconds: May indicate increased fall risk or weakness
seems to be the range used for screening done by physical
therapists.
Thanks.-a I hadn't heard of that test before.-a The paper seems to be
about establishing new testing criteria for physical therapists.
How about this one?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/healthy-aging-and-longevity/try-this-the- old-man-test
AKA " the sock test". It test a wide range of strength, mobility,
balance, and coordination.
(...)
<https://legionathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Squat-
Depths-768x551.png>
I can do twenty of these without even getting out of breath.-a I
don't do it with weights because of my damaged knee, but just
doing it a few times is actually good for the joints. In actual
fact, I *need* it, after sitting too long in front of a display.
No weights here.-a I did 2 minutes of squats without stopping.-a I
forgot to count.-a Slightly tired at 20.-a I then did 5 squats in 20
seconds.-a I wasn't trying to go quickly and stupidly did the test
immediately after the first test.-a I need to re-read the instructions
and try again.
Incidentally, all my chairs are swivel chairs, which makes this test a
bit of a challenge with arms crossed.
Where I start to feel lower leg muscle (calf) pain is climbing my 50
stairs, while carrying 25 to 30 lbs of firewood.-a Over the years, the
number of trips up/down the stairs I can manage has decreased and the
rest stops have increased.-a I'm hardly a candidate for sarcopenia, but
definitely a trend in the wrong direction.-a In my case, the problem is
mild claudication and PAD (peripheral artery disease) clogged
arteries:
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/claudication/symptoms-
causes/syc-20370952>
On 6/5/2026 4:32 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 6/4/2026 11:37 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2026 10:51:41 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Fast reply.--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On 6/5/2026 4:32 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 6/4/2026 11:37 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I could not do that to save my butt from the firing squad.
On Thu, 04 Jun 2026 10:51:41 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Fast reply.-a I need to get ready for a busy day of doctors
appointment, Costco shopping, market shopping, truck trailer repair,
computer repair, chainsaw repair, etc.-a I'll probably re-appear on
Friday evening or Saturday.
I did a little bit of reading about how that prevalence is
defined.
<https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s11556-020-00255-5.pdf> >>>> <https://www.medbridge.com/blog/5-times-sit-to-stand-test-how-to-
administer-interpret-and-apply-norms>
A simple test called "5 times sit to stand test" or simply
sit-to-stand test (5TSTS). Cutoffs differ, but
* Healthy adults under 60: < 10 seconds
* Adults over 60: 11rCo14 seconds is typical
* >15 seconds: May indicate increased fall risk or weakness
seems to be the range used for screening done by physical
therapists.
Thanks.-a I hadn't heard of that test before.-a The paper seems to be
about establishing new testing criteria for physical therapists.
How about this one?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/healthy-aging-and-longevity/try-this-the-
old-man-test
AKA " the sock test". It test a wide range of strength, mobility,
balance, and coordination.
(...)
<https://legionathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Squat-
Depths-768x551.png>
I can do twenty of these without even getting out of breath.-a I
don't do it with weights because of my damaged knee, but just
doing it a few times is actually good for the joints. In actual
fact, I *need* it, after sitting too long in front of a display.
No weights here.-a I did 2 minutes of squats without stopping.-a I
forgot to count.-a Slightly tired at 20.-a I then did 5 squats in 20
seconds.-a I wasn't trying to go quickly and stupidly did the test
immediately after the first test.-a I need to re-read the instructions
and try again.
Incidentally, all my chairs are swivel chairs, which makes this test a
bit of a challenge with arms crossed.
Where I start to feel lower leg muscle (calf) pain is climbing my 50
stairs, while carrying 25 to 30 lbs of firewood.-a Over the years, the
number of trips up/down the stairs I can manage has decreased and the
rest stops have increased.-a I'm hardly a candidate for sarcopenia, but
definitely a trend in the wrong direction.-a In my case, the problem is
mild claudication and PAD (peripheral artery disease) clogged
arteries:
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/claudication/symptoms-
causes/syc-20370952>
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