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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Mon May 4 16:22:06 2026
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    On Mon May 4 11:04:54 2026 AMuzi wrote:

    My hat's off to you.

    In my only experience riding out from Reno, on an otherwise
    moderate climb, I stopped to throw up. Altitude sucks.
    There have been people forced to move out of Reno because of endless altitude illness. But that makes me wonder about Denver which is at over 5,000 feet and is known at the mile high city.
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed May 6 17:12:20 2026
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    On Tue May 5 22:59:55 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
    Am Tue, 05 May 2026 08:11:04 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>:

    On Tue, 5 May 2026 10:00:13 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >wrote:

    Am 04.05.2026 um 18:22 schrieb cyclintom:
    On Mon May 4 11:04:54 2026 AMuzi wrote:

    My hat's off to you.

    In my only experience riding out from Reno, on an otherwise
    moderate climb, I stopped to throw up. Altitude sucks.

    There have been people forced to move out of Reno because of endless
    altitude illness. But that makes me wonder about Denver which is at
    over 5,000 feet and is known at the mile high city.

    I'm surprised about this; my impression was that up to around 5,000 or >>6,000 feet, most people might suffer a day or two but everybody adjusts >>easily.

    I have heared of people being unable to live at 10,000 feet and more >>(e.g. Lima, Peru).

    "Effects of high altitude on humans" ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_high_altitude_on_humans#Athletic_performance>
    "For an unacclimated individual, VO2max begins to decrease
    significantly at moderate elevation, starting at 1,500 metres (5,000
    ft) and dropping 8 to 11 percent for every additional 1000 metres
    (3,300 ft)."

    Interesting. In the fall of 2025, I cycled up and down Mont
    Ventoux, from 700 meters to 1,900 meters. <https://brouter.m11n.de/?lng=3den#map=3d12/44.1323/5.3759/standard&lonlats=3d5.412527,44.096559;5.278869,44.173617;5.40912,44.092297&profile=3dfastbike>
    (toggle elevation chart by typing the letter e)

    Should I have noticed an effect like that, at my age? Of course,
    it was somewhat exhausting. But not any more than I would have
    expected.
    Are you telling us that you went up the final 1,000 feet more slowly because you were siumply tired or perhaps because there is less O2 there?
    If altitude didn't make a difference why do ppros train in Peru or to get used to altitude by gemneratomg mpre red blood cells? This does NOT correct for the lack of oxygen but it does decrease the effects of it.
    There is a lot of myth surrounding altitude but there was never an Einstrin that came from Denver. And that reflects physical operformance as well. Sepp Kus comes from Durango which is more than 6000 feet but is there ANYONE that thinks that he could outclimb Vidergaard or Pogecar?
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu May 7 20:16:18 2026
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    On Thu May 7 14:48:42 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
    Am Wed, 06 May 2026 17:12:20 GMT schrieb cyclintom
    <cyclintom@yahoo.com>:

    I went up the upper part more slowly because it simply is
    steeper. For the most part, I maintained a constant power, but I
    slowed down a bit in the final kilometers because the slope got
    steeper there and as expected, I was feeling a bit exhausted.
    That didn't stop me, however, from riding up the last, even
    steeper ramp to the observatory at a faster pace.


    If altitude didn't make a difference why do ppros train in Peru or to get used to altitude by gemneratomg mpre red blood cells? This does NOT correct for the lack of oxygen but it does decrease the effects of it.

    Who said that altitude doesn't make a difference? I've got the
    first hand impression that <1900 meters doesn't make much of a
    difference for a single ride, four watts, maybe. That's something
    different. It can be measured through repeated experiments under
    controlled conditions, but it is not noticeable under
    uncontrolled conditions if you are healthy and know and respect
    you limits.

    I didn't do that ride to win a competition where every second
    counts.
    I have to watch my heart rate now since I don't want another stroke. But when I was in my 70's I had very little trouble with a 20 mile climb of 7%. Also the ride out to and back from Moraga had several 12% sections that I would climb at 12 mph. The distance between my resting heart rate and max heart rate is too narrow for that now.
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