Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
Thought so.
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs.
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny looking helmet is a small price to pay.
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny looking helmet is a small price to pay.
On 4/20/2026 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold
like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure,
not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is
permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40
breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both
of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine
is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and
I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and
my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you
it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being
prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny
looking helmet is a small price to pay.
I believe Mr Strobl's point was that about 50,000 USAians
die from falls every year but only a few hundred from
bicycle-related crashes.
If a helmet is sensible for cycling, it's sensible for
stairs and showers.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/20/2026 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed the idea that a bike helmet (bicycle) itAs going to provide
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold
like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure,
not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is
permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40
breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both
of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine
is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and
I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and
my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you >>> it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being
prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny
looking helmet is a small price to pay.
I believe Mr Strobl's point was that about 50,000 USAians
die from falls every year but only a few hundred from
bicycle-related crashes.
If a helmet is sensible for cycling, it's sensible for
stairs and showers.
meaningful protection or even measurable protection from motor traffic >believable. Even motorcycle helmet and the body armour seems not prevent
them having awful rates even within big cities where speeds etc are much >lower.
IAd note at least one of my bikes is carbon and fork, seems thus far
robust, as do mates bikes one of whom on the the bikes maiden ride was >chasing his friend and managed to crash over a fire gate, bar a scratch
both rider and bike are fine!
Roger Merriman
On 21 Apr 2026 10:21:36 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/20/2026 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed the idea that a bike helmet (bicycle) it-As going to provide
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold >>>>>> like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure,
not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is
permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40
breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both >>>> of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine >>>> is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and >>>> I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and >>>> my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you >>>> it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being
prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny
looking helmet is a small price to pay.
I believe Mr Strobl's point was that about 50,000 USAians
die from falls every year but only a few hundred from
bicycle-related crashes.
If a helmet is sensible for cycling, it's sensible for
stairs and showers.
meaningful protection or even measurable protection from motor traffic
believable. Even motorcycle helmet and the body armour seems not prevent
them having awful rates even within big cities where speeds etc are much
lower.
I-Ad note at least one of my bikes is carbon and fork, seems thus far
robust, as do mates bikes one of whom on the the bikes maiden ride was
chasing his friend and managed to crash over a fire gate, bar a scratch
both rider and bike are fine!
Roger Merriman
Seems to me that a person riding a two-wheel bicycle in the drop bar
position with their head out over the front wheel might get some
protection from a helmet if they were to run into a bus, a truck, a
brick wall, or similar.
I'm not planning on doing any of those things, so......
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 4/20/2026 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny looking helmet is a small price to pay.
p.s. the numbers:Those medical reasons for deaths are virtually all crap 2021 was the year they released the Covid-19 mRNA vavvines and at least 80% of the above norml deaths were caused by the vaccines (which should not be called a vaccine) Fauci was doing everything in his power which was a great deal to hide the fact that the mRNA "vaccines" were the cause of 80% of the excessive deaths. MD's are still pushing this poison despite the fact that dozens of controlled studies have shown that these preparations are pure poison.
https://statbase.org/data/usa-mortality-by-cause/
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/bicycle-deaths/
about 1300 bicycle related deaths
On 4/20/2026 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny looking helmet is a small price to pay.
I believe Mr Strobl's point was that about 50,000 USAiansBut everyone walks up and down stairs and takes showers but a tiny minority ride bicycles. He is correct that as an experienced and careful rider he has close to zero chance of dying from a head injury. But close to zero isn't zero so wearing a helmet or not wearing a helmet should not be compulsary. And the UCI takes statistcs on bicycle srashes in races quite seriously and requires helmets while racing and still gets serious concusions and deaths every year.
die from falls every year but only a few hundred from
bicycle-related crashes.
If a helmet is sensible for cycling, it's sensible for
stairs and showers.
On Mon Apr 20 17:06:28 2026 AMuzi wrote:
On 4/20/2026 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs. Why do you suppose both of us make personal decisions to wear helmets on bicycles and not for walking up stairs?
You can make any personal decision you like but don't tell me that mine is wrong. No one here other than me has published papers on helmets and I daresay that I know a great deal more about the subject than you and my comments are factually based and not just personal opinion.
You will probably go your entire life without needing a helmet so to you it makes sense to ride without one. But it is my opinion that being prepared for one in a million occasion is only sensible. And a funny looking helmet is a small price to pay.
p.s. the numbers:
https://statbase.org/data/usa-mortality-by-cause/
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/bicycle-deaths/ >>
about 1300 bicycle related deaths
Those medical reasons for deaths are virtually all crap 2021 was the year they released the Covid-19 mRNA vavvines and at least 80% of the above norml deaths were caused by the vaccines (which should not be called a vaccine) Fauci was doing everything in his power which was a great deal to hide the fact that the mRNA "vaccines" were the cause of 80% of the excessive deaths. MD's are still pushing this poison despite the fact that dozens of controlled studies have shown that these preparations are pure poison.
The point behind this is that the statistics on deaths onwards until 25 are completely unreliable. My friend wyho dropped dead from Myocarditis was marked as dying from a bicycle crash,
Indeed the idea that a bike helmet (bicycle) it?s going to provideRoger, my research suggests that a helmet provide almost no protection from motor vehicle interactions. But that they can have a large effect in the most common bicycle accidents - falling off for one reason or another. So that is a reason to be aware of their possible safety factor.
meaningful protection or even measurable protection from motor traffic believable. Even motorcycle helmet and the body armour seems not prevent
them having awful rates even within big cities where speeds etc are much lower.
I?d note at least one of my bikes is carbon and fork, seems thus far
robust, as do mates bikes one of whom on the the bikes maiden ride was chasing his friend and managed to crash over a fire gate, bar a scratch
both rider and bike are fine!
Considering that a helmet protection is as a crumple zone, and a very thin one at that. It?s going to struggle to meaningful reduce impact speedWhile I agree with you, you couldn't be suggesting that if prtection isn't perfect it's worthless? Do you wear seatbelts in a car?
that?s why air bag technology is repeated looked at as it absolutely can provide more protection for that reason in that it does have more time due
to the distance between the contact point and head is quite a bit bigger
and thus has more time, to reduce the impact speed which is what crumple
zone are for.
Dockless ride bikes are almost always ridden without helmets bar the occasional keen rider, the risks reported seem to be more down to the bikes weight and ungainly handling which can catch folks out, the older lime
bikes are apparently ?leg breakers? for that reason.
Despite the generally fairly casual riding style I?m not aware of such
bikes having worse rates than other types of london or other large city commuters/utility cyclists, who are much more likely to be wearing a
helmet. Which is always the thing, helmets perform well in controlled environments, but not in population levels which to the best of my
knowledge have shown no change in rates and outcomes.
Let alone that cycling is generally a safe activity, are exceptions such as Down Hill MTBing where folks even weekend warrior having a good time than getting good times, have full face, body armour, knee pads etc.
Which is clearly rather more risky!
I'm not planning on doing any of those things, so......
On Tue Apr 21 14:26:35 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:
Considering that a helmet protection is as a crumple zone, and a very thin >> one at that. It?s going to struggle to meaningful reduce impact speed
that?s why air bag technology is repeated looked at as it absolutely can
provide more protection for that reason in that it does have more time due >> to the distance between the contact point and head is quite a bit bigger
and thus has more time, to reduce the impact speed which is what crumple
zone are for.
Dockless ride bikes are almost always ridden without helmets bar the
occasional keen rider, the risks reported seem to be more down to the bikes >> weight and ungainly handling which can catch folks out, the older lime
bikes are apparently ?leg breakers? for that reason.
Despite the generally fairly casual riding style I?m not aware of such
bikes having worse rates than other types of london or other large city
commuters/utility cyclists, who are much more likely to be wearing a
helmet. Which is always the thing, helmets perform well in controlled
environments, but not in population levels which to the best of my
knowledge have shown no change in rates and outcomes.
Let alone that cycling is generally a safe activity, are exceptions such as >> Down Hill MTBing where folks even weekend warrior having a good time than
getting good times, have full face, body armour, knee pads etc.
Which is clearly rather more risky!
I'm not planning on doing any of those things, so......
While I agree with you, you couldn't be suggesting that if prtection
isn't perfect it's worthless? Do you wear seatbelts in a car?
No dispute about those things but, back to Mr Strobl'sWhen was the last time you fell down stairs or in your shower. I hold on to the hand rail on stairs and my shower is constructed so that it is nearly impossible to fall down in (28" square). Are these not sufficient safety precautions?
comment, a LOT more people die in falls than on bicycles.
If a helmet saves cyclists, then it would also save our
stumbling, unbalanced generation on stairs and in bathtubs.
Seatbelts and indeed lot of passengers safety of motor vehicles has been contributing to reduced rates, bike helmets aren?t remotely in that areaRoger, that is an opinion that isn't even faintly true. While motor vehicles are responsible for most bicycle deaths. The number is so small that they aren't even mentioned in the causes of death statistics. If you are afraid to ride around cars, that is your own fear. Bicyclists in general are not. What do you suppose would happen to someone that killed a cyclist? You are in more danger from cars as a pedestrian.
and are in terms of safety essentially a distraction from the main risks ie motor vehicles.
No one here other than me has published papers on helmets
Seatbelts and indeed lot of passengers safety of motor vehicles has been contributing to reduced rates, bike helmets aren?t remotely in that areaBy the way, my interpretation of your comments as a fear of cars should not be taken as some sort of insult since fear of traffic is the most common occurrence among cyclists.
and are in terms of safety essentially a distraction from the main risks ie motor vehicles.
On Tue Apr 21 19:40:03 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:
Seatbelts and indeed lot of passengers safety of motor vehicles has been
contributing to reduced rates, bike helmets aren?t remotely in that area
and are in terms of safety essentially a distraction from the main risks ie >> motor vehicles.
Roger, that is an opinion that isn't even faintly true. While motor vehicles are responsible for most bicycle deaths. The number is so small that they aren't even mentioned in the causes of death statistics. If you are afraid to ride around cars, that is your own fear. Bicyclists in general are not. What do you suppose would happen to someone that killed a cyclist? You are in more danger from cars as a pedestrian.
On Tue Apr 21 19:40:03 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:
Seatbelts and indeed lot of passengers safety of motor vehicles has been
contributing to reduced rates, bike helmets aren?t remotely in that area
and are in terms of safety essentially a distraction from the main risks ie >> motor vehicles.
Roger, that is an opinion that isn't even faintly true. While motor
vehicles are responsible for most bicycle deaths. The number is so small
that they aren't even mentioned in the causes of death statistics.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 19:06:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs.
"Danger From Carbon Fiber Bikes" <https://www.twospoke.com/threads/danger-from-carbon-fiber-bikes.17594/>
"On the way back to Castro Valley, my friend Tom Kunich (who was also
riding a full carbon fiber Colnago C-40) crashed on the downhill."
(July 10, 2016). <https://www.cyclingforums.com/threads/danger-from-carbon-fiber-bikes.453355/>
(July 10, 2016) <https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1073471-danger-carbon-fiber-bikes.html>
(July 10, 2016) <https://medium.com/@cyclintom/on-dec-18-2009-i-was-riding-my-bicycle-with-a-group-and-we-were-coming-off-of-a-bicycle-trail-9f9d582a9b42>
(Dec 12, 2016). <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
"I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
(date unknown)
I did searched all the above articles for the word "helmet" and found nothing.
On 4/20/2026 4:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 19:06:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon Apr 20 09:17:27 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:59:17 GMT schrieb cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>:
Those left here have less violent opinions on helmets but I wouold like to advoise you to use them and tilt strongly 5towards the use of the ... helmet.
Do you wear a helmet when you go up or down stairs? No?
Thought so.
Wolfgang, I have permanent injuries from a carbon fiber fork failure, not from falling down the stairs, The cop who saved my life is permanently disabled from the entire front end of his Colnago C40 breaking away and not from falling down stairs.
IOW, Tom bought a used C40 which broke apart causing a crash. The
cop-friend story is fake - It was tom. The first link Jeff posts below
is allegedly from the friend, but was actually posted by tom about his
own crash.
"Danger From Carbon Fiber Bikes"
<https://www.twospoke.com/threads/danger-from-carbon-fiber-bikes.17594/>
"On the way back to Castro Valley, my friend Tom Kunich (who was also
riding a full carbon fiber Colnago C-40) crashed on the downhill."
(July 10, 2016).
<https://www.cyclingforums.com/threads/danger-from-carbon-fiber-bikes.453355/>
(July 10, 2016)
<https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1073471-danger-carbon-fiber-bikes.html>
(July 10, 2016)
<https://medium.com/@cyclintom/on-dec-18-2009-i-was-riding-my-bicycle-with-a-group-and-we-were-coming-off-of-a-bicycle-trail-9f9d582a9b42>
(Dec 12, 2016).
<https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/> >> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
(date unknown)
I did searched all the above articles for the word "helmet" and found
nothing.
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