• Re: Re:The Truth About RAS Prime

    From youngbl...@gmail.com@youngblood8116@gmail.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Thu Jan 4 15:31:29 2024
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    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 9:55:49rC>AM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
    https://xkcd.com/1357/

    'Nuff said!
    Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP
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  • From Mark628CA@mark@mmfabrication.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Thu Jan 4 18:48:03 2024
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    Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP
    Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.
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  • From youngbl...@gmail.com@youngblood8116@gmail.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Fri Jan 5 05:43:54 2024
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    On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:48:05rC>PM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
    Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP
    Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.
    Mark, not exactly that way, I had made several post on RAS Prime, the Santa post was purely comical as intended. I was not asked by DeGrinch to limit my posting, the Grinch stated that he had read all my post and was monitoring my post, I simply told Grinch that he was completely off base and his approach was interpretation of the content was wrong. Instead of having a argument that was not making any progress I simply told Grinch to have a good day and canceled the call,
    Mark, I get it, you seem not to, and your reply to me further solidifies what I have been saying all along, it is all about content. My post about motorglider vs Pure gliders has merit, the fact is that those who complain are pilots that know there is a difference but will not acknowledge the difference. For your information I do fly with motorglider friends, we all laugh about the post and the replies. There is a difference in making a challenging flight in a Pure glider vs a Motorglider, the Motorglider can always hit the get me home button and us Purist must rely on our skills to get us home.
    You are correct about one thing, I do go my own way, if you are not the lead dog the scenery never changes! So, one cannot say anything negative about a motorglider or the way in which they are scored., if you think that there is not a difference then you should take another look and reevaluate your thought process.
    Technology has certainly changed soaring, IMHO not always to the better, do I miss the old baragraph, or folding my sectional so I can navigate, or miss the old Kodak 120 cameras, no! The motorglider has certainly made soaring easier, less hassle dependence on tows with self launch, but has altered the very aspect of the challenge. I still prefer the challenge and look at a pure glider flight a bit differently than a motorglider flight, simply stated, they are different.
    Sit tight, I am not missing anything by not stating my opinions on that venue, something new is under development that even people like you and Grinch will be welcome to voice your opinions and not be subject to retribution. Take care and enjoy your next flight, just don't start your engine and tell me how great you are. Your friend, Old Bob, The Purist
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  • From Mark628CA@mark@mmfabrication.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Fri Jan 5 08:29:01 2024
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    Ok, so you get invited to a party. There are a number of people there, men, women, and children of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Everybody seems to be having a nice time, but you think the gathering needs a bit of spice. You tell a joke that insults a number of people who consider it racist. Not getting the response you want; you tell a blatantly misogynistic joke. More people are offended. You tell a pedophile joke, and the host asks you to leave. You refuse, citing "freedom of speech," and the host and guests boot you out the door. For some reason, they won't let you back in. You are clueless and tell everybody you meet that you were "just bantering," and don't see the problem and your free speech "rights" are being disrespected. Nobody offers any sympathy.
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  • From youngbl...@gmail.com@youngblood8116@gmail.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Fri Jan 5 13:25:50 2024
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    On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:29:04rC>AM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
    Ok, so you get invited to a party. There are a number of people there, men, women, and children of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Everybody seems to be having a nice time, but you think the gathering needs a bit of spice. You tell a joke that insults a number of people who consider it racist. Not getting the response you want; you tell a blatantly misogynistic joke. More people are offended. You tell a pedophile joke, and the host asks you to leave. You refuse, citing "freedom of speech," and the host and guests boot you out the door. For some reason, they won't let you back in. You are clueless and tell everybody you meet that you were "just bantering," and don't see the problem and your free speech "rights" are being disrespected. Nobody offers any sympathy.
    Mark, now I know, you are a flaming ass liberal that must throw the race card on the table even in a friendly game of canasta. You have never seen me post anything like you have just mentioned, you are the only one that can opine with such woke nonsense. Maybe I can educate you a bit more, "Freedom Of Speech", does not apply in such instances, try another venue. So, I am disrespectful of motorglider guys and gals because I simply have a point of view that doesn't coincide with yours and some motorglider pilots. I never posted anything about," Worshipers, Whores and Motorgliders", only posted my point of view in regard to the differences between motorglider pilots and Purist. You are telling me that I should respect motorglider flights and not Purist flights??? Try leaving your woke racial card somewhere else, maybe you would fit in well with some School like MIT, Harvard, or Penn, you seem to be on the same path.
    Contrary to your posting I was not booted out the door, I chose to get out of the cesspool and swim in pure waters, pure waters smell much better. A couple of points that you should consider, each person has an opinion, we don't need a cookie cutter to comply with things that only you and a few others view as politically or socially correct. On another note if I wanted a motorglider I would go buy two, one for myself and one for my wife, I am very capable of that.
    You are certainly invited to the next party here at FD25, you may be a bit surprised at our inclusion approach to society, you probably are not accustom to that type of inclusion. In the mean time, "I'll Be Fine, Just Not Prime", and that is by choice. Your friend, Old Bob, The Purist
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  • From Mark628CA@mark@mmfabrication.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Fri Jan 5 14:32:34 2024
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    Hah! Anybody that knows me would laugh at the idea that I am a "Woke Liberal." My politics are irrelevant on this forum, but you could say that I am slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.
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  • From Eric G@eric@flyguy.netto to rec.aviation.soaring on Fri Jan 5 15:42:12 2024
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    On 1/4/2024 6:48 PM, Mark628CA wrote:
    Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP

    Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.

    +1 for Mark's post.
    +2 for John DeRosa, who spends a lot of time helping people get things right on their
    equipment. Including me.
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  • From youngbl...@gmail.com@youngblood8116@gmail.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Sat Jan 6 04:59:57 2024
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    On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 5:32:36rC>PM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
    Hah! Anybody that knows me would laugh at the idea that I am a "Woke Liberal." My politics are irrelevant on this forum, but you could say that I am slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.
    Mark, please correct me if I am incorrect, you were the one that made the comment about racial and ethnic comparisons to the topic, if that wasn't woke then what is? And then there is Eric who wants to opine on the event, glad someone was able to help him with his motorglider, after all Eric you go to an event and spend all your time working on that get me home glider and not flying, glad someone was able to assist you.
    When the new open, non moderated site goes live I do expect bot you two to join in on the open forum and be part of the group. For your enjoyment there will be a motorglider, AKA get me home section and a Purist section for both of your reading and posting enjoyment. Your Friend, Old Bob, The Purist
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  • From John Glider-dood@cemx86@gmail.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Mon Jan 15 19:30:50 2024
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    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 8:43:45rC>PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    Unfortunately the site is not what it appears to be, over two years ago John DeRosa started the site and it was a complete failure. John had stated recently that the site was created because of all the current spam on RAS. I find that his lack of candor exemplifies something to the contrary.
    RAS Prime was started because John did not like the content of RAS, simply stated his dislike of the content drove him to start RAS Prime and be the moderator in charge of content, this is all about content and nothing else.
    I did receive a call from John and he advised me that he had receive two complaints about my Santa posts on RAS Prime, I could hardly believe what he was saying. I asked John who had complained and he simply stated that he could not tell me those whom had complained. I told John that he was way off base and that my posting of Santa Doesn't Fly A Motorglider was nothing more than a comical post that had received a few comical replies, yet he continued to state that he as a moderator had to control such content, I could not help but to laugh, and tell MR. Grinch to have a good night.
    I would advise any person that post on RAS Prime that the main objective is to control content. There will be a much better forum coming in the near future that will NOT be moderated in such a way that interprets content.
    The best of RAS will soon be a thing of past, the best is yet to come. Old Bob, The Purist
    ====================
    Old Bob, The Purist - You really should get your facts straight prior to denigrating someone in public. There is at least one error (some minor, others major) in each of your statements and replies. Why did you leave RAS_Prime? Too civilized? [no need to reply as these are rhetorical questions] Wait ... do I hear OB typing? Can't help yourself? [more rhetorical questions]
    ====================
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  • From youngbl...@gmail.com@youngblood8116@gmail.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Tue Jan 16 04:31:59 2024
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    On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:30:52rC>PM UTC-5, John Glider-dood wrote:
    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 8:43:45rC>PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    Unfortunately the site is not what it appears to be, over two years ago John DeRosa started the site and it was a complete failure. John had stated recently that the site was created because of all the current spam on RAS. I find that his lack of candor exemplifies something to the contrary.
    RAS Prime was started because John did not like the content of RAS, simply stated his dislike of the content drove him to start RAS Prime and be the moderator in charge of content, this is all about content and nothing else.
    I did receive a call from John and he advised me that he had receive two complaints about my Santa posts on RAS Prime, I could hardly believe what he was saying. I asked John who had complained and he simply stated that he could not tell me those whom had complained. I told John that he was way off base and that my posting of Santa Doesn't Fly A Motorglider was nothing more than a comical post that had received a few comical replies, yet he continued to state that he as a moderator had to control such content, I could not help but to laugh, and tell MR. Grinch to have a good night.
    I would advise any person that post on RAS Prime that the main objective is to control content. There will be a much better forum coming in the near future that will NOT be moderated in such a way that interprets content.
    The best of RAS will soon be a thing of past, the best is yet to come. Old Bob, The Purist
    ====================
    Old Bob, The Purist - You really should get your facts straight prior to denigrating someone in public. There is at least one error (some minor, others major) in each of your statements and replies. Why did you leave RAS_Prime? Too civilized? [no need to reply as these are rhetorical questions] Wait ... do I hear OB typing? Can't help yourself? [more rhetorical questions]
    ====================
    Dood, you possibly meant Dude, or you could possibly be a production manager for a film company and working on a budget. I chose to leave RAS Prime because of the moderator objecting to a post about Santa. Actually a was sent a video that showed Santa getting into his glider preparing for the journey on Christmas and being towed by a Super Cub, it is a fantastic video I would suggest every glider pilot watch the video, it is very well done and humorous. That was the reason that I made the post that Santa Doesn't Fly a Motorglider, purely comical!
    After a couple of days and some very humorous replies the moderator called me on my private cell# to complain about my post, it was almost laughable, how could anyone find a post like that offensive. Mr. DeGrinch went on and on about the post, almost like a rabid dog attacking prey. Mr. DeGrinch stated that he had received complaints about the post and when I asked him who would complain about such a benign post he stated that it was top secret. I informed DeGrinch that he was way off base and controlling and interpreting content, what a sad way to moderate a forum. I also informed DeGrinch that I was no longer posting on RAS Prime at some point one must have a bit of backbone and not comply with such WOKE venues.
    For your information I have received many calls from glider pilots all over the country sharing my same views and opinion of RAS Prime. Even prior to this event work had begun on a new site that will be much more inclusive and allow one to view post within a specific category instead of the format that has been used on RAS and RAS Prime, those forums are Google and many people including myself really don't like Google because of the way they accumulate information from individuals. The future site will more than likely be XenForo based community platform that provides premium user experience and security, just hold on, as I told Eric, it will blow your socks off. There will be no moderator telling you that he doesn't like Santa! Old Bob, The Purist
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  • From Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot)@charliedm.iii@gmail.com to rec.aviation.soaring on Wed Feb 21 12:02:26 2024
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    Bump before lockdown.
    On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 7:32:02rC>AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:30:52rC>PM UTC-5, John Glider-dood wrote:
    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 8:43:45rC>PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    Unfortunately the site is not what it appears to be, over two years ago John DeRosa started the site and it was a complete failure. John had stated recently that the site was created because of all the current spam on RAS. I find that his lack of candor exemplifies something to the contrary.
    RAS Prime was started because John did not like the content of RAS, simply stated his dislike of the content drove him to start RAS Prime and be the moderator in charge of content, this is all about content and nothing else.
    I did receive a call from John and he advised me that he had receive two complaints about my Santa posts on RAS Prime, I could hardly believe what he was saying. I asked John who had complained and he simply stated that he could not tell me those whom had complained. I told John that he was way off base and that my posting of Santa Doesn't Fly A Motorglider was nothing more than a comical post that had received a few comical replies, yet he continued to state that he as a moderator had to control such content, I could not help but to laugh, and tell MR. Grinch to have a good night.
    I would advise any person that post on RAS Prime that the main objective is to control content. There will be a much better forum coming in the near future that will NOT be moderated in such a way that interprets content.
    The best of RAS will soon be a thing of past, the best is yet to come. Old Bob, The Purist
    ====================
    Old Bob, The Purist - You really should get your facts straight prior to denigrating someone in public. There is at least one error (some minor, others major) in each of your statements and replies. Why did you leave RAS_Prime? Too civilized? [no need to reply as these are rhetorical questions] Wait ... do I hear OB typing? Can't help yourself? [more rhetorical questions]
    ====================
    Dood, you possibly meant Dude, or you could possibly be a production manager for a film company and working on a budget. I chose to leave RAS Prime because of the moderator objecting to a post about Santa. Actually a was sent a video that showed Santa getting into his glider preparing for the journey on Christmas and being towed by a Super Cub, it is a fantastic video I would suggest every glider pilot watch the video, it is very well done and humorous. That was the reason that I made the post that Santa Doesn't Fly a Motorglider, purely comical!
    After a couple of days and some very humorous replies the moderator called me on my private cell# to complain about my post, it was almost laughable, how could anyone find a post like that offensive. Mr. DeGrinch went on and on about the post, almost like a rabid dog attacking prey. Mr. DeGrinch stated that he had received complaints about the post and when I asked him who would complain about such a benign post he stated that it was top secret. I informed DeGrinch that he was way off base and controlling and interpreting content, what a sad way to moderate a forum. I also informed DeGrinch that I was no longer posting on RAS Prime at some point one must have a bit of backbone and not comply with such WOKE venues.
    For your information I have received many calls from glider pilots all over the country sharing my same views and opinion of RAS Prime. Even prior to this event work had begun on a new site that will be much more inclusive and allow one to view post within a specific category instead of the format that has been used on RAS and RAS Prime, those forums are Google and many people including myself really don't like Google because of the way they accumulate information from individuals. The future site will more than likely be XenForo based community platform that provides premium user experience and security, just hold on, as I told Eric, it will blow your socks off. There will be no moderator telling you that he doesn't like Santa! Old Bob, The Purist
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