TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54rC>AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54rC>AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Check your math.....the number is $25/hr.
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54rC>AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Old Bob's original post did not show up in my eternal-september RAS. Is that happening to
everyone? I did see three posts on the subject: Papa3, Arnold, and Charlie. >Eric G
On 1/10/2024 7:20 PM, Papa3 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Same here, his original post did not show up. He really is getting filtered by eternal September it seems.
On 1/10/24 9:26 PM, Eric G wrote:
Old Bob's original post did not show up in my eternal-september RAS. Is that happening to
everyone? I did see three posts on the subject: Papa3, Arnold, and Charlie. >Eric G
On 1/10/2024 7:20 PM, Papa3 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:47:36rC>PM UTC-5, GliderWobble wrote:This post did appear in my e-s RAS feed. Bob, did you post this in a different manner than
Same here, his original post did not show up. He really is getting filtered >> by eternal September it seems.It's a conspiracy, the motorglider Grinch is going to all efforts to keep me silent, news for Grinch, something new is coming and will blow the socks off any soaring forum out there. Now about the ASW24 the ship will hopefully be flown frequently, many have shown interest and I have given several cockpit checks to potential pilots. I also recently purchased a Std. Cirrus for getting members to transition into fiberglass, hopefully both ship will be utilized and create more interest into XC soaring which is our goal. We have decided on a rental rate of 50 bucks per hour or a three hour minimum of 145 dollars. The 145 dollar rate would be the so called daily rate which will promote more XC soaring for potential new pilots to discover XC soaring.
On 1/10/24 9:26 PM, Eric G wrote:
Old Bob's original post did not show up in my eternal-september RAS. Is that happening to
everyone? I did see three posts on the subject: Papa3, Arnold, and Charlie. >>> Eric G
On 1/10/2024 7:20 PM, Papa3 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Recovering insurance cost is a priority for the first year, hopefully utilization will increase and we can turn the asset into a positive cash flow. If any followers are in Florida for the winter you are certainly invited to join us at TCSC for the fun and festivities at X52, we even let motorgliders fly off the strip, but you cannot go to the front of the line. Old Bob, The Purist
Same here, his original post did not show up. He really is getting filtered by eternal September it seems.I did see that there was a post today from OBTP on
On 1/10/24 9:26 PM, Eric G wrote:
Old Bob's original post did not show up in my eternal-september RAS.
Is that happening to everyone? I did see three posts on the subject:
Papa3, Arnold, and Charlie.
Eric G
On 1/11/2024 5:20 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Eric, please help me out here a bit, have you ever flown a Std. Cirrus? If so how much time do you have in one?? Old Bob, The Purist
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:47:36rC>PM UTC-5, GliderWobble wrote:This post did appear in my e-s RAS feed. Bob, did you post this in a different manner than
Same here, his original post did not show up. He really is getting filteredIt's a conspiracy, the motorglider Grinch is going to all efforts to keep me silent, news for Grinch, something new is coming and will blow the socks off any soaring forum out there. Now about the ASW24 the ship will hopefully be flown frequently, many have shown interest and I have given several cockpit checks to potential pilots. I also recently purchased a Std. Cirrus for getting members to transition into fiberglass, hopefully both ship will be utilized and create more interest into XC soaring which is our goal. We have decided on a rental rate of 50 bucks per hour or a three hour minimum of 145 dollars. The 145 dollar rate would be the so called daily rate which will promote more XC soaring for potential new pilots to discover XC soaring.
by eternal September it seems.
On 1/10/24 9:26 PM, Eric G wrote:
Old Bob's original post did not show up in my eternal-september RAS. Is that happening to
everyone? I did see three posts on the subject: Papa3, Arnold, and Charlie.
Eric G
On 1/10/2024 7:20 PM, Papa3 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Recovering insurance cost is a priority for the first year, hopefully utilization will increase and we can turn the asset into a positive cash flow. If any followers are in Florida for the winter you are certainly invited to join us at TCSC for the fun and festivities at X52, we even let motorgliders fly off the strip, but you cannot go to the front of the line. Old Bob, The Purist
your original post?
Why is the Std Cirrus being used for transitioning to fiberglass? The ASW24 is safer and
easier to fly than the Std Cirrus, so I suggest it be the "transition" glider. The only
advantages I see for the Cirrus is lower purchase price and wider cockpit.
If this "blow your socks off" event is going to happen this year, why aren't we being told
what it is? People are making decisions now for buying instruments and gliders, and they
will be rightfully upset if knowing what's coming would significantly affect their current
choices.
So, what is this "socks off" event? If you are not allowed to say, why are you saying
anything at all?
Eric G
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 9:03:49rC>AM UTC-5, Eric G wrote:Eric, I have anxiously been awaiting your reply, for the first time you seem to be speechless, why? Please give me a helping hand on flying the Std. Cirrus. Old Bob, The Purist
On 1/11/2024 5:20 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:47:36rC>PM UTC-5, GliderWobble wrote:This post did appear in my e-s RAS feed. Bob, did you post this in a different manner than
Same here, his original post did not show up. He really is getting filteredIt's a conspiracy, the motorglider Grinch is going to all efforts to keep me silent, news for Grinch, something new is coming and will blow the socks off any soaring forum out there. Now about the ASW24 the ship will hopefully be flown frequently, many have shown interest and I have given several cockpit checks to potential pilots. I also recently purchased a Std. Cirrus for getting members to transition into fiberglass, hopefully both ship will be utilized and create more interest into XC soaring which is our goal. We have decided on a rental rate of 50 bucks per hour or a three hour minimum of 145 dollars. The 145 dollar rate would be the so called daily rate which will promote more XC soaring for potential new pilots to discover XC soaring.
by eternal September it seems.
On 1/10/24 9:26 PM, Eric G wrote:
Old Bob's original post did not show up in my eternal-september RAS. Is that happening to
everyone? I did see three posts on the subject: Papa3, Arnold, and Charlie.
Eric G
On 1/10/2024 7:20 PM, Papa3 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Recovering insurance cost is a priority for the first year, hopefully utilization will increase and we can turn the asset into a positive cash flow. If any followers are in Florida for the winter you are certainly invited to join us at TCSC for the fun and festivities at X52, we even let motorgliders fly off the strip, but you cannot go to the front of the line. Old Bob, The Purist
your original post?
Why is the Std Cirrus being used for transitioning to fiberglass? The ASW24 is safer and
easier to fly than the Std Cirrus, so I suggest it be the "transition" glider. The only
advantages I see for the Cirrus is lower purchase price and wider cockpit.
If this "blow your socks off" event is going to happen this year, why aren't we being told
what it is? People are making decisions now for buying instruments and gliders, and they
will be rightfully upset if knowing what's coming would significantly affect their current
choices.
So, what is this "socks off" event? If you are not allowed to say, why are you saying
anything at all?
Eric GEric, please help me out here a bit, have you ever flown a Std. Cirrus? If so how much time do you have in one?? Old Bob, The Purist
On 1/11/2024 5:20 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Eric, I gave you every opportunity to substantiate your claim that the STD CIRRUS was not a good transition platform for entry level fiberglass training, you seem not to clarify your comment. Looks like you are falling into that Ultracrepidarian category of motorglider pilots. I first flew the Std Cirrus many decades back when I purchased N3LB, a ship that had belonged to Leo Buckley and Ray Galloway. I had previously flown a SGS2-33 and a 1-26 at the Kendall Gliderport out in the Everglades. Having flown that Std. Cirrus for over 1000 hours I never found it to be difficult to fly, actually it was a very docile glider with no bad habits and would roll and loop with ease. I ended up selling that ship to Clem Bowman and I bought the ASW20L, and flew it for many years as E9, 41, EA, and many more would fly most every day .
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:47:36rC>PM UTC-5, GliderWobble wrote:This post did appear in my e-s RAS feed. Bob, did you post this in a different manner than
Same here, his original post did not show up. He really is getting filteredIt's a conspiracy, the motorglider Grinch is going to all efforts to keep me silent, news for Grinch, something new is coming and will blow the socks off any soaring forum out there. Now about the ASW24 the ship will hopefully be flown frequently, many have shown interest and I have given several cockpit checks to potential pilots. I also recently purchased a Std. Cirrus for getting members to transition into fiberglass, hopefully both ship will be utilized and create more interest into XC soaring which is our goal. We have decided on a rental rate of 50 bucks per hour or a three hour minimum of 145 dollars. The 145 dollar rate would be the so called daily rate which will promote more XC soaring for potential new pilots to discover XC soaring.
by eternal September it seems.
On 1/10/24 9:26 PM, Eric G wrote:
Old Bob's original post did not show up in my eternal-september RAS. Is that happening to
everyone? I did see three posts on the subject: Papa3, Arnold, and Charlie.
Eric G
On 1/10/2024 7:20 PM, Papa3 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:33:54 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
TCSC has an ASW24B added to the fleet for members to rent and explore XC soaring. Members are going through a intense checkout prior to flying the ship. Emphasis is placed on the CG hook take off characteristics, most of our pilots have no CG experience on takeoff.
Our rental rate has been suggested to be about 50 bucks per hour , or a daily booking rate has been discussed. We have discussed possibly having the ship available for the daily slot with prior RSVP required. Would 150 dollars for the daily rate be acceptable for most clubs or commercial operations?
Old Bob, The Purist
That seems very fair bordering on cheap. If you think of a private owner insuring, storing, maintaining a -24 that easily $2500/year even with cheap or free trailer storage. At 100 hours (which is way more than most private owners actually do) that's $250/hour. The age old adage about if it flies... or... or... it's cheaper to rent applies here. :-)
Recovering insurance cost is a priority for the first year, hopefully utilization will increase and we can turn the asset into a positive cash flow. If any followers are in Florida for the winter you are certainly invited to join us at TCSC for the fun and festivities at X52, we even let motorgliders fly off the strip, but you cannot go to the front of the line. Old Bob, The Purist
your original post?
Why is the Std Cirrus being used for transitioning to fiberglass? The ASW24 is safer and
easier to fly than the Std Cirrus, so I suggest it be the "transition" glider. The only
advantages I see for the Cirrus is lower purchase price and wider cockpit.
If this "blow your socks off" event is going to happen this year, why aren't we being told
what it is? People are making decisions now for buying instruments and gliders, and they
will be rightfully upset if knowing what's coming would significantly affect their current
choices.
So, what is this "socks off" event? If you are not allowed to say, why are you saying
anything at all?
Eric G
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