Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numberedSF, glad that you have identified some of the problems with RAS Prime and the old RAS as we knew it. There are several problems with going to a Google based forum, one being security and the other the moderator format. As for myself I look at a moderator as kind of a Hitler figure being surrounded by his beloved brown coats. As you just mentioned no one person needs to make sure all his minions conform to his SOP. As I mentioned earlier there will be a new forum coming soon, just cannot exactly tell you the launch date, hopefully it will be up and running sooner than expected. The new forum will have many closets, that being a room for discussion of that specific topic, that alone will hopefully eliminate those who complain about reading post that are irrelevant to that specific subject.
I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to another platform while we can tell the current users what the new platform is going to be. A Workspace Google Group would work, and administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers. Ownership shouldn't be one guy. run it through the SSA with a volunteer(s) serving as administrator? Similar to the contest rules Committee. Or an outreach mission for one of the larger gliding clubs?
SF
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Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numberedWrong!
On 16/01/2024 18:48, SF wrote:
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numberedWrong!
RAS via the eternal-september.org route is alive and well.
It filters out Spam, OBTP and for some reason, Charles Longley.
On 1/16/2024 2:26 PM, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
On 16/01/2024 18:48, SF wrote:
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numberedWrong!
RAS via the eternal-september.org route is alive and well.
It filters out Spam, OBTP and for some reason, Charles Longley.
RAS is alive but not well, as the most of the postings here are now about mucking aroundEric you must open your eyes and see for yourself that RAS Prime has never gained the appeal of RAS, why? I think the SF has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Old Bob, The Purist
in it's corpse or moving to the platform that the soul of RAS now inhabits: RAS_Prime on
Google (https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime). I hope more people will move to it, and it
will regain some international appeal.
Eric G
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numbered--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to another platform while we can tell the current users what the new platform is going to be. A Workspace Google Group would work, and administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers. Ownership shouldn't be one guy. run it through the SSA with a volunteer(s) serving as administrator? Similar to the contest rules Committee. Or an outreach mission for one of the larger gliding clubs?
SF
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So, can anyone cast any light on why OBTP has been blocked by RAS?
As to google groups - not for me.-a Same for any moderated group. I'm a firm believer in
the First Amendment.-a For our non-US readers, here is a link:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment
Dan 5J
On 1/16/24 11:48, SF wrote:
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numbered
I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to another platform while
we can tell the current users what the new platform is going to be.-a A Workspace Google
Group would work, and administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers.
Ownership shouldn't be one guy.-a run it through the SSA with a volunteer(s) serving as
administrator?-a Similar to the contest rules Committee.-a Or an outreach mission for one
of the larger gliding clubs?
SF
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On 1/16/2024 2:26 PM, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
On 16/01/2024 18:48, SF wrote:RAS is alive but not well, as the most of the postings here are now
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numberedWrong!
RAS via the eternal-september.org route is alive and well.
It filters out Spam, OBTP and for some reason, Charles Longley.
about mucking around in it's corpse or moving to the platform that the
soul of RAS now inhabits: RAS_Prime on Google (https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime). I hope more people will move to
it, and it will regain some international appeal.
Eric G
A reader of the First Amendment will find it protects us from
Government censorship, but not from the moderation of a private group
like RAS_Prime, which is protected by the Freedom of Association
derived from the First Amendment. So, RAS_Prime is an exemplar of the
First Amendment, just as is rec.aviation.soaring (with or without the "moderation/censorship" of eternal-september).
On 1/16/2024 4:18 PM, Dan Marotta wrote:
So, can anyone cast any light on why OBTP has been blocked by RAS?
As to google groups - not for me.-a Same for any moderated group. I'm
a firm believer in the First Amendment.-a For our non-US readers, here
is a link:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment
Dan 5J
On 1/16/24 11:48, SF wrote:
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numbered
I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to
another platform while we can tell the current users what the new
platform is going to be.-a A Workspace Google Group would work, and
administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers.-a
Ownership shouldn't be one guy.-a run it through the SSA with a
volunteer(s) serving as administrator? Similar to the contest rules
Committee.-a Or an outreach mission for one of the larger gliding clubs? >>>
SF
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Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numberedSo good discussion here. All things considered I'm going to RAS_Prime. The eternal September thing just looked too wonky, maybe its not, but I've got a short attention span sometimes.
I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to another platform while we can tell the current users what the new platform is going to be. A Workspace Google Group would work, and administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers. Ownership shouldn't be one guy. run it through the SSA with a volunteer(s) serving as administrator? Similar to the contest rules Committee. Or an outreach mission for one of the larger gliding clubs?
SF
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On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 1:48:54rC>PM UTC-5, SF wrote:SF, one can choose where to hang their hat, most hat racks have many post that need to be occupied. Hope you find RAS P enjoyable and fun, probably won't be much humor, I say that from experience. I certainly understand the loss of proof on the distance flight, at least you had a battery powered recorder and not one of the old barographs that we used back in the days. Take care, keep your eyes open for the upcoming forum that is inclusive and managed by committee, NOT MODERATED! Old Bob, The Purist
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numbered
I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to another platform while we can tell the current users what the new platform is going to be. A Workspace Google Group would work, and administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers. Ownership shouldn't be one guy. run it through the SSA with a volunteer(s) serving as administrator? Similar to the contest rules Committee. Or an outreach mission for one of the larger gliding clubs?
SF
Notice from Google:So good discussion here. All things considered I'm going to RAS_Prime. The eternal September thing just looked too wonky, maybe its not, but I've got a short attention span sometimes.
Effective February 22, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
First amendment...Censorship...Free Speech...Do we really want to bring in the lawyers? Badge flights are close enough to that for me. For example: I was at 6,000 ft & 5 miles from the the airport when the logger batteries failed on my first Gold Distance flight, I had landing witnesses, but alas...that wasn't good enough....Appeal denied.
I think that if our online personas matched up with our standing in front of you communications, nobody would be getting banned. We all exclude asshats from our circles, whenever possible, and until they become a protected class, that's perfectly legal. So don't be an asshat if you don't want to be treated like one. There have been several on here over the years that I met in-person. They turned out to be much nicer than their online personas would lead you to believe.
If spammers get excluded, I'm fine with that, cause I've got them squarely in the asshat category.
I still think that a small group rather than a single individual doing the deciding on exclusion is the way to go. Unless it gets turned in to a HOA, man I hate HOA's. Never buy a condo in South Carolina., and never follow a glider with an engine.
SF
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I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to another platform while we can tell the current users what the new platform is going to be. A Workspace Google Group would work, and administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers. Ownership shouldn't be one guy. run it through the SSA with a volunteer(s) serving as administrator? Similar to the contest rules Committee. Or an outreach mission for one of the larger gliding clubs?
SF
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I switched over to RAS_Prime Google group and find it alive, easy to use and active , much more than the dying RAS. It is unfortunate that Google decided to sunset newsgroups instead of implementing spam filters but it is what it is.Good luck Ramy, glad you found a home. OBTP
Sure there is eternal whatever for the few die hards but it is going to be very quiet there.
I understand some folks looking for other homebrew solutions from fear of censorship, good luck with that. IrCOll stick with mainstream solution.
Ramy
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 10:48:54rC>AM UTC-8, SF wrote:
Rec.aviation.Soaring's days are numbered
I think this has been a valuable resource for the gliding community.
It just seems like a good idea to move this type of resource to another platform while we can tell the current users what the new platform is going to be. A Workspace Google Group would work, and administrative authority could be used to kick out the spammers. Ownership shouldn't be one guy. run it through the SSA with a volunteer(s) serving as administrator? Similar to the contest rules Committee. Or an outreach mission for one of the larger gliding clubs?
SF
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I switched over to RAS_Prime Google group and find it alive, easy to use and active , much more than the dying RAS. It is unfortunate that Google decided to sunset newsgroups instead of implementing spam filters but it is what it is.
Sure there is eternal whatever for the few die hards but it is going to be very quiet there.
I understand some folks looking for other homebrew solutions from fear of censorship, good luck with that. IrCOll stick with mainstream solution.
Ramy
On 1/20/2024 9:51 AM, Ramy wrote:Eric, you may have spoken too soon, hope to see you over on, "Cloudstreet". OBTP
I switched over to RAS_Prime Google group and find it alive, easy to use and active , much more than the dying RAS. It is unfortunate that Google decided to sunset newsgroups instead of implementing spam filters but it is what it is.
Sure there is eternal whatever for the few die hards but it is going to be very quiet there.
I understand some folks looking for other homebrew solutions from fear of censorship, good luck with that. IrCOll stick with mainstream solution.
Ramy
I agree with Ramy. Go directly to the group with
https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime
You can read all the posts, but can't post anything until you join the group.
Eric G
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