• Fungal strains in space spark worry - we might have already contaminated --

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    from https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fungal-strains-space-spark-worry-112456504.html

    Fungal strains in space spark worry
    Tom Chivers
    Thu, May 7, 2026 at 4:24 AM PDT
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    NASA found fungal strains that survive even its most stringent
    sterilization efforts, suggesting Earth microbes may already be living
    on Mars.

    When exploring worlds which could plausibly harbor life rCo Enceladus,
    Europa, Mars, Titan rCo space agencies employ protocols to prevent
    Earth-based microbes contaminating any biology elsewhere.

    The existence of near-unkillable fungi makes future Mars rover missions
    more fraught and past ones potential seeds of terrestrial life on the
    red planet. Titan may likewise be compromised: When visited by the Cassini-Huygens orbiter in 2004, no one realized SaturnrCOs moon had
    liquid oceans and was thus a promising candidate for life, so the probe
    was not fully sterilized. The little spacecraft rCLmight be seeding life,rCY
    a mission scientist told FlagshiprCOs Tom in 2017.

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    Fred
    3 hrs
    We polluted Earth and now have expanded our efforts to the outer
    planets. No wonder we lost Paradise.

    Homer10
    27 mins
    It's all about the money.

    ChanTheMan
    2 hrs
    Humans act exactly like a cancer to this planet.


    John
    4 hrs
    How much have we wasted to learn there is fungi on mars?

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    Joe
    2 hrs
    We sent life to Mars despite our best efforts.


    Robert
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    "microbes MAY already be living on Mars."

    Click bait. Nothing is living on Mars.

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    Charlie Cocaroo

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    Less than we have on claiming there are 150 genders

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    Mark

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    Black fungus on earth is still a huge problem, and it keeps spreading.

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    ChanTheMan

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    Apparently there's no shortage ofIMbeciles, like you either (edited)

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    David

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    We might find out if there is life there by visiting the local pub in
    the place and seeing what is there. Most places with life have a pub and
    a good selection of life is usually found at the pub.

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    Homer10

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    How about Tardegrades (water bears)? They survive just about anything,
    and they are multicellular animals.
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    Key takeawaysPowered by Yahoo Scout. Yahoo is using AI to generate key
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    After "re-booting" the moon and establishing a base there, followed by dispatching expeditionary crews to Mars, where should humanity go?

    Next month, a first-of-its-kind gathering will blueprint an eventual
    crewed trek to tantalizing Titan, the largest of Saturn's many moons.
    That inaugural "Humans to Titan Summit" will make the case for an
    astronaut outing to that far-off moon, detailing the science goals and concepts of human missions to Titan as well as necessary forerunner
    robotic efforts.

    And there is already a robotic Titan mission on the books rCo NASA's nuclear-powered Dragonfly octocopter mission, which is targeted to
    launch in 2028. Could it help fuel a human leap?

    A NASA image of Saturn's moon, Titan It looks like a turquoise marble in space.
    A NASA image of Saturn's largest moon, Titan. | Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech Foundational talks
    "It's not too soon to begin thinking about this," said Amanda Hendrix, director of the Planetary Science Institute, headquartered in Tucson,
    Arizona. She is also president of the advocacy group Explore Titan and co-author of "Beyond Earth: Our Path to a New Home in the Planets"
    (Pantheon Books, 2016).

    "The idea of the summit is to bring together people from different
    communities rCo engineers, scientists, industry, academia, robotic and
    human spaceflight experts," Hendrix told Space.com. "We're having
    foundational talks about what precursor missions do we need in order to
    get us on the road to Titan, eventually with humans."

    Hendrix noted that, after Apollo's last human foray to the moon in 1972,
    there was a gap of decades, a lull in launching astronauts beyond Earth
    orbit rCo a pause just filled by NASA's recent Artemis 2 mission, which
    sent four astronauts around the moon and back to Earth.

    "Now we are, hopefully, back on track [with] humans going to the moon,
    with NASA talking about Mars as the next human destination," said
    Hendrix. "I think having a concept in our mind after Mars can guide our thinking, give us a path and keep us motivated for the future."

    Visits, past and future
    The Saturn moon has had visitors already. On Jan. 14, 2005, the European
    Space Agency's robotic Huygens probe rCo part of the NASA-ESA
    Cassini-Huygens mission to Saturn rCo touched down on Titan.

    Making a 2.5-hour descent through Titan's atmosphere, the Huygens probe provided a stream of data for 72 minutes once on the moon's surface. It
    set the still-standing record as the most distant landing from Earth.

    "Huygens showed us many things," Hendrix said. She cited the dynamics of Titan's atmosphere, the look of its surface rCo which features water-ice "rocks," dry river beds, lakes and dunes rCo as well as the overall
    haziness at the landing locale.

    "It does look otherworldly," Hendrix said.

    Next up for Titan is Dragonfly, now scheduled to launch no earlier than
    2028 for a six-year voyage to Titan. Once landed, the craft will spend
    three years flying from spot to spot to investigate a range of sites,
    perhaps revealing its potential to host life.

    view of brownish mountains on an alien world, taken from the sky by a
    descent probe
    A set of images taken by EuroperCOs Huygens probe during its landing on
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    A dynamic world
    "Dragonfly is an awesome, super-important mission to a fascinating and
    active world," said Hendrix. "Titan is not a static place. It is a
    dynamic world," she said, "probably a place that's very close to an early-Earth kind of environment."

    Dragonfly will give us a leg up in the effort to send humans to Titan,
    Hendrix said, "but there's still a lot to do and learn."

    "Ultimately, we're trying to get humans on the surface and living there.
    I think that's doable in the long-term, for sure," she said. A precursor mission might involve robotic orbiting of Titan rCo perhaps even a human
    crew circuiting the Saturn moon. Radar and infrared scanning of its
    surface could be done, she said, along with gauging what impact Titan's changing seasons have on the moon's atmosphere.

    "A lot can be done, and should be done, robotically. But with humans on
    the surface, there's work only humans can do," Hendrix said.

    Surmountable issues
    So, how best to strut the right stuff on Titan?

    First, there's more atmospheric pressure than here on Earth. "You don't
    need a pressure suit like you do on the moon or Mars. What you do need
    to do is keep warm. It's very cold there. There's also a little more
    gravity than the Earth's moon," said Hendrix.

    Because of Titan's atmosphere, "you can strap wings to your arms and
    move through the atmosphere under your own power, or strap on a jet pack
    and power yourself around. You've got that atmosphere and low gravity.
    There are many options for transport on Titan, which Dragonfly is taking advantage of," Hendrix said.

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    Also, you'd have to make your own oxygen, Hendrix said, which is not
    available in Titan's thick, nitrogen atmosphere laced with methane. A Titan-based habitat would need a power source. And, given the
    precipitation of molecules and gunk that rains down and settles on the surface, there's a need to protect equipment, she said.

    "This is all surmountable," said Hendrix, saying that Dragonfly and
    other precursor missions could yield information useful for human visits
    to Titan.

    The Humans to Titan Summit 2026 is being held June 11-12 in Boulder,
    Colorado. The goal is "to explore the concept of Titan as the next human exploration destination after Mars, how it could be done and what we
    would need to do now," according to the event's website.

    "We want the workshop to invigorate the community to think about what we
    need to do and what the possibilities are rCa to plant the seed that this
    is a real possibility," Hendrix concluded.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Thu May 7 13:47:19 2026
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    "a425couple" wrote in message news:Yz2LR.867599$DN1.339445@fx48.iad...

    NASA found fungal strains that survive even its most stringent
    sterilization efforts, suggesting Earth microbes may already be living
    on Mars.

    ---------------------------------
    NASA has to balance sterilization conditions with survival of the delicate instruments. The more effective chemicals like ozone and chlorine dioxide
    are corrosive. They sterilize at 125C, the top of the military range, which
    is above boiling and at or slightly above pressure cooking temperature. 80C
    is usually assumed to sterilize food, usually 65C is considered adequate.

    125C is the high end of the heat tolerance for electronics. Some simpler
    parts can handle 150C. I've worked in the testing field and have made a transistor fail in a few minutes by operating it at 180C. High temperature shortens component life and is used to estimate and test long predicted lifetimes, but heat stressing the parts you intend to use can degrade them,
    so it's done on small representative batches of a production run. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_life_testing

    Autoclaves that sterilize medical instruments operate between 121C and 135C. https://tuttnauer.com/knowledge-center/sterile-processing/autoclave/autoclave-temperature-range-for-effective-sterilization

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_temperature

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  • From Kualinar@kuakinar@videotron.ca to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Thu May 7 18:11:08 2026
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    Le 2026-05-07 |a 13:47, Jim Wilkins a |-crit-a:
    "a425couple"-a wrote in message news:Yz2LR.867599$DN1.339445@fx48.iad...

    NASA found fungal strains that survive even its most stringent
    sterilization efforts, suggesting Earth microbes may already be living
    on Mars.

    ---------------------------------
    NASA has to balance sterilization conditions with survival of the
    delicate instruments. The more effective chemicals like ozone and
    chlorine dioxide are corrosive. They sterilize at 125C, the top of the military range, which is above boiling and at or slightly above pressure cooking temperature. 80C is usually assumed to sterilize food, usually
    65C is considered adequate.

    125C is the high end of the heat tolerance for electronics. Some simpler parts can handle 150C. I've worked in the testing field and have made a transistor fail in a few minutes by operating it at 180C. High
    temperature shortens component life and is used to estimate and test
    long predicted lifetimes, but heat stressing the parts you intend to use
    can degrade them, so it's done on small representative batches of a production run.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_life_testing

    Autoclaves that sterilize medical instruments operate between 121C and
    135C.
    https://tuttnauer.com/knowledge-center/sterile-processing/autoclave/ autoclave-temperature-range-for-effective-sterilization

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_temperature


    A fine balance must be made between total sterilization and survival of
    the instrument.
    No point sterilizing the probe when doing so also destroys it.
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  • From Daniel@me@sc1f1dan.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri May 8 03:04:37 2026
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    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:

    from https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fungal-strains-space-spark-worry-112456504.html

    Fungal strains in space spark worry
    Tom Chivers
    Thu, May 7, 2026 at 4:24 AM PDT
    1 min read
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    NASA found fungal strains that survive even its most stringent
    sterilization efforts, suggesting Earth microbes may already be living
    on Mars.

    When exploring worlds which could plausibly harbor life rCo Enceladus, Europa, Mars, Titan rCo space agencies employ protocols to prevent Earth-based microbes contaminating any biology elsewhere.

    The existence of near-unkillable fungi makes future Mars rover
    missions more fraught and past ones potential seeds of terrestrial
    life on the red planet. Titan may likewise be compromised: When
    visited by the Cassini-Huygens orbiter in 2004, no one realized
    SaturnrCOs moon had liquid oceans and was thus a promising candidate for life, so the probe was not fully sterilized. The little spacecraft
    rCLmight be seeding life,rCY a mission scientist told FlagshiprCOs Tom in 2017.

    /snip

    Clickbait.

    NASA now fears that there are frozen microbes of fungi on our
    probes. I'm going to shit myself in fear. I swear clickbait articles are getting worse by the day.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri May 8 08:53:31 2026
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    "Daniel" wrote in message news:87ldduw72i.fsf@rpi3...

    Clickbait.

    NASA now fears that there are frozen microbes of fungi on our
    probes. I'm going to shit myself in fear. I swear clickbait articles are getting worse by the day.

    --
    Daniel
    sysop | air & wave bbs
    finger | calcmandan@bbs.erb.pw
    --------------------------------

    This is significant because it also affects how returned samples must be treated and handled. Testing for unknown life forms without unknowingly releasing them is a risk. We don't have a perfect record with Earth's microbes, Covid-19 for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Marburg_virus_disease_outbreak

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-kansas-underground-salt-museum-hutchinson-kansas
    Mars could harbor similar ancient somethings that we don't initially
    recognize as alive until one or more finds favorable conditions and begins
    to grow and reproduce.

    Viruses and plasmids are examples, they are incomplete forms that remain
    inert and apparently lifeless until they enter a living cell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmid
    "Plasmids are considered replicons, units of DNA capable of replicating autonomously within a suitable host. However, plasmids, like viruses, are
    not generally classified as life."

    Their existence approximates an attractive and communicable but toxic idea, such as gambling, drugs or communism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwfly_Solution

    We have no way to remotely analyze an unknown substance to the molecular level. We might have to dissolve or incinerate all the equipment used to examine alien samples.

    DIY Frankensteins:
    "Synthetic plasmids are available for procurement over the internet by
    various vendors using submitted sequences typically designed with software,
    if a design does not work the vendor may make additional edits from the submission."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanorobotics
    Biology provides the critical machine element of rotating shafts and motors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellum
    "A shaft runs between the hook and the basal body, passing through protein rings in the cell's membrane that act as bearings."

    A hostile entity with AI access could covertly subvert or destroy that way
    if we aren't careful. Already our critical infrastructure of energy and
    health care is being hacked.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Plague
    The cost estimate omits the availability of cheap second-hand lab
    instruments. I've been offered an electron microscope minus the vacuum pump for $200.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri May 8 10:58:07 2026
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    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10tkmb5$2sooi$1@dont-email.me...

    This is significant because it also affects how returned samples must be treated and handled.

    In brief, we can't sterilize a sample that cost billions until we learn that we must.

    Have we already been infected and developed immunity? https://www.space.com/mars-meteorites-on-earth-mystery
    "Meteorites from a variety of sources have been discovered across Earth's surface for thousands of years, but Mars wasn't suggested as a possible
    source of this bombardment until the 1970s when measurements of the Martian atmosphere made by NASA's Viking orbiters were found to match gases locked
    in these space rocks."

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  • From Kualinar@kuakinar@videotron.ca to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri May 8 12:31:35 2026
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    Le 2026-05-08 |a 10:58, Jim Wilkins a |-crit-a:
    "Jim Wilkins"-a wrote in message news:10tkmb5$2sooi$1@dont-email.me...

    This is significant because it also affects how returned samples must
    be treated and handled.

    In brief, we can't sterilize a sample that cost billions until we learn
    that we must.

    Have we already been infected and developed immunity? https://www.space.com/mars-meteorites-on-earth-mystery
    "Meteorites from a variety of sources have been discovered across
    Earth's surface for thousands of years, but Mars wasn't suggested as a possible source of this bombardment until the 1970s when measurements of
    the Martian atmosphere made by NASA's Viking orbiters were found to
    match gases locked in these space rocks."

    And, we can assume that rocks from the Earth made their way to Mars, as
    well as Jovian moons.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri May 8 13:17:40 2026
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    "Kualinar" wrote in message news:10tl357$310tl$1@dont-email.me...

    Le 2026-05-08 |a 10:58, Jim Wilkins a |-crit :
    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10tkmb5$2sooi$1@dont-email.me...

    This is significant because it also affects how returned samples must be
    treated and handled.

    In brief, we can't sterilize a sample that cost billions until we learn
    that we must.

    Have we already been infected and developed immunity? https://www.space.com/mars-meteorites-on-earth-mystery
    "Meteorites from a variety of sources have been discovered across Earth's surface for thousands of years, but Mars wasn't suggested as a possible source of this bombardment until the 1970s when measurements of the
    Martian atmosphere made by NASA's Viking orbiters were found to match
    gases locked in these space rocks."

    And, we can assume that rocks from the Earth made their way to Mars, as
    well as Jovian moons.

    ----------------------

    While that may be possible Earth's thick atmosphere absorbed most of Artemis II's Mach 33 velocity. There is no evidence of any meteorites from Venus
    which also has a dense and distinctive atmosphere.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Sat May 9 12:42:56 2026
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

    "The same month, scientists reported that bacteria from Earth, particularly Deinococcus radiodurans, were found to survive for three years in outer
    space, based on studies on the International Space Station. These findings support the notion of panspermia."

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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Sat May 9 13:53:01 2026
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    On 5/8/26 09:31, Kualinar wrote:
    Le 2026-05-08 |a 10:58, Jim Wilkins a |-crit-a:
    "Jim Wilkins"-a wrote in message news:10tkmb5$2sooi$1@dont-email.me...

    This is significant because it also affects how returned samples must
    be treated and handled.

    In brief, we can't sterilize a sample that cost billions until we
    learn that we must.

    Have we already been infected and developed immunity?
    https://www.space.com/mars-meteorites-on-earth-mystery
    "Meteorites from a variety of sources have been discovered across
    Earth's surface for thousands of years, but Mars wasn't suggested as a
    possible source of this bombardment until the 1970s when measurements
    of the Martian atmosphere made by NASA's Viking orbiters were found to
    match gases locked in these space rocks."

    And, we can assume that rocks from the Earth made their way to Mars, as
    well as Jovian moons.

    I had some doubts because of our now thick atmosphere,
    BUT, I'm reading --
    (What can go 11,200 m/s (or about 25,000 mph) without
    burning up?)
    to break free from Earth's gravity and reach the moon,

    AI
    Yes, rocks from Earth have almost certainly traveled to Mars, just as
    Martian rocks frequently travel to Earth. Massive asteroid impacts on
    Earth over the last 3.5 billion years have likely launched thousands of
    pieces of debris into space, with some inevitably landing on Mars.Impact Transfers: Violent impacts on Earth, such as the one that wiped out the dinosaurs, have enough energy to send rocks into interplanetary space,
    with some making their way to Mars and the moons of Jupiter.
    Likely Habitable Conditions: Many of these rocks, known as meteorites,
    could have potentially carried microbial life between planets, a concept
    known as [lithopanspermia].Mars to Earth: While we haven't confirmed an
    Earth rock on Mars yet, we have over [275 confirmed Martian meteorites
    on Earth].Scientific Consensus: Experts find that, throughout solar
    system history, "rock capable of carrying life has likely transferred
    from both Earth and Mars to all of the terrestrial planets".

    Astronomy Stack Exchange
    https://astronomy.stackexchange.com
    Are there Earth rocks on Mars? - Astronomy Stack Exchange
    May 29, 2020 rCo Said the paper's lead author Rachel Worth: rCLWe find that rock capable of carrying life has likely transferred from both Earth and ... Reddit-+r/asksciencehttps://www.reddit.com
    Martian meteorites are found on Earth, is the converse also true?
    Jan 4, 2013 rCo Comments Section. rocketsocks. rCo 14y ago rCo Edited 14y ago. Almost certainly. However,

    Reddit-+r/asksciencehttps://www.reddit.com
    Are there cases of rocks from Earth finding their way to Mars? -
    RedditJul 20, 2021 rCo Would it be easier to go after near Earth asteroids
    and hope they were originally from Earth? ... Would anything from Earth
    even s...Show all
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Sat May 9 19:07:57 2026
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    "a425couple" wrote in message news:O8NLR.390599$njxf.325713@fx34.iad...

    On 5/8/26 09:31, Kualinar wrote:
    Le 2026-05-08 |a 10:58, Jim Wilkins a |-crit :
    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10tkmb5$2sooi$1@dont-email.me...

    This is significant because it also affects how returned samples must be >>> treated and handled.

    In brief, we can't sterilize a sample that cost billions until we learn
    that we must.

    Have we already been infected and developed immunity?
    https://www.space.com/mars-meteorites-on-earth-mystery
    "Meteorites from a variety of sources have been discovered across Earth's >> surface for thousands of years, but Mars wasn't suggested as a possible
    source of this bombardment until the 1970s when measurements of the
    Martian atmosphere made by NASA's Viking orbiters were found to match
    gases locked in these space rocks."

    And, we can assume that rocks from the Earth made their way to Mars, as
    well as Jovian moons.

    I had some doubts because of our now thick atmosphere,
    BUT, I'm reading --
    (What can go 11,200 m/s (or about 25,000 mph) without
    burning up?)
    to break free from Earth's gravity and reach the moon,

    AI
    Yes, rocks from Earth have almost certainly traveled to Mars, just as
    Martian rocks frequently travel to Earth. Massive asteroid impacts on
    Earth over the last 3.5 billion years have likely launched thousands of
    pieces of debris into space, with some inevitably landing on Mars.Impact Transfers: Violent impacts on Earth, such as the one that wiped out the dinosaurs, have enough energy to send rocks into interplanetary space,
    with some making their way to Mars and the moons of Jupiter.
    Likely Habitable Conditions: Many of these rocks, known as meteorites,
    could have potentially carried microbial life between planets, a concept
    known as [lithopanspermia].Mars to Earth: While we haven't confirmed an
    Earth rock on Mars yet, we have over [275 confirmed Martian meteorites
    on Earth].Scientific Consensus: Experts find that, throughout solar
    system history, "rock capable of carrying life has likely transferred
    from both Earth and Mars to all of the terrestrial planets".

    Astronomy Stack Exchange
    https://astronomy.stackexchange.com
    Are there Earth rocks on Mars? - Astronomy Stack Exchange
    May 29, 2020 rCo Said the paper's lead author Rachel Worth: rCLWe find that rock capable of carrying life has likely transferred from both Earth and ... Reddit-+r/asksciencehttps://www.reddit.com
    Martian meteorites are found on Earth, is the converse also true?
    Jan 4, 2013 rCo Comments Section. rocketsocks. rCo 14y ago rCo Edited 14y ago. Almost certainly. However,

    Reddit-+r/asksciencehttps://www.reddit.com
    Are there cases of rocks from Earth finding their way to Mars? -
    RedditJul 20, 2021 rCo Would it be easier to go after near Earth asteroids
    and hope they were originally from Earth? ... Would anything from Earth
    even s...Show all

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Sat May 9 20:32:15 2026
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    "a425couple" wrote in message news:O8NLR.390599$njxf.325713@fx34.iad...

    On 5/8/26 09:31, Kualinar wrote:
    Le 2026-05-08 |a 10:58, Jim Wilkins a |-crit :
    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10tkmb5$2sooi$1@dont-email.me...

    I had some doubts because of our now thick atmosphere,
    BUT, I'm reading --
    (What can go 11,200 m/s (or about 25,000 mph) without
    burning up?)
    to break free from Earth's gravity and reach the moon,
    ------------------------

    Rockets start off slowly and gain most of their velocity at low to near-zero drag altitude (there's measurable drag on the ISS). At only a minute or so into the flight the engines are throttled down to limit increasing air resistance until reaching higher thinner air, this is the "throttling down
    for Max q" announcement.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_q

    This Moon origin theory posits that a giant impact threw massive debris into orbit, mainly from Earth's outer layers rather than the iron core. The Moon
    is only 60% as dense as Earth, not a smaller copy from the same ingredients. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Moon

    The larger and heavier the ejected object, the less the air will slow it.
    Drag increases as the square of size, inertia as the cube. That may mean
    that only very large rocks from very massive impacts made it through the air with enough remaining velocity to escape Earth gravity and rise to Martian orbit. Fortunately we don't know from experience how massive that impact
    might have been. The Space Gun I referenced can reach orbital height but not nearly the velocity needed to stay there.

    Analysis of returned samples with a mass spectrometer might suggest Earth origin if Mars minerals have a significantly different isotopic distribution (it varies here too).

    Mars offers far less air resistance and a downward falling trajectory to Earth, so the trip is easier. It's significant that we haven't traced any meteorites to Venus.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,ca.politics,fl.politics on Sun May 10 08:11:02 2026
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    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10tojl9$1ilj$1@dont-email.me...

    ...Fortunately we don't know from experience how massive that impact
    might have been. The Space Gun I referenced can reach orbital height but not nearly the velocity needed to stay there.
    ---------------------------

    This is the laboratory gun used to simulate lower energy meteorite impacts.
    It can't approach the velocity or energy of known historical impacts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun
    "Projectile velocities can reach 4.5 kilometres per second (16,000 km/h) for the 8.0-inch (200 mm) configuration and 7 kilometres per second (25,000
    km/h) for the 3.3-inch (84 mm) launcher configuration."

    Minimum low circular orbit velocity is a little below 8km/S, meteors in
    solar orbits can go 2-3 or more times as fast, 3I/Atlas from deep space exceeded 60km/S. Anything with more than solar escape velocity must have
    come from elsewhere.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
    "If an object is in a circular or elliptical orbit, its speed is always less than the escape speed at its current distance. In contrast if it is on a hyperbolic trajectory its speed will always be higher than the escape speed
    at its current distance."

    Earth escape velocity is 11.2km/S. To reach Mars a rock would have to still
    be going faster after leaving the atmosphere. Another 4km/S might get it to Mars though a lucky lunar gravity slingshot boost could be enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist

    Going down to find help going up: https://science.nasa.gov/resource/cassini-trajectory/

    https://trajbrowser.arc.nasa.gov/traj_browser.php

    That's enough time wasted on rocket science in a reasonably short posting.
    My college Physics course covered orbital mechanics only lightly and my attempt at computer modeling was unsatisfactory. A friend handled the
    orbital analysis of newly launched Soviet spacecraft while I was more concerned with how a space probe's scientific instruments operate, and did design and build a lab model of a proposed one.

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