• Re: The fantasy of foolish people

    From Nick Charles to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics on Thu Feb 12 18:02:53 2026
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    100 years ago: The Fantasy Of Going To The Moon!

    200 years ago: The Fantasy Of Flying! The Fantasy Of Wireless Communication! The Fantasy Of Traveling Faster Than A Mile Per Minute
    (60 MPH)!

    500 years ago: The Fantasy That The Earth Is Not The Center Of The
    Universe!

    1000 years ago: The Fantasy Of Sailing Around The Earth!

    And so on.

    The only Fantasy here is people like you who presume to Know All The
    Answers. "This will never happen because I say so!"

    It turns out that "never" is a very long time. One era's fantasy is a
    later era's reality. In 1965 (1) a computer could not fit into a 2 car garage and (2) cost a million dollars in 1965 money and (3) was horribly
    noisy from all of the fans and air conditioning running in the room.

    Thus, no one in 1965 foresaw everyone having a battery powered,
    wirelessly networked, cool, quiet and inexpensive computer in their
    pocket. Because it was physically impossible!

    But here we are. BTW, the phone in my pocket is 10,000 times more
    powerful than a 1965 mainframe.

    The more we learn, the more we are capable of doing. Don't fall into
    the "We already know all there is to know" trap.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military on Thu Feb 12 22:33:52 2026
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    "Nick Charles" wrote in message news:R46cnU_XEfW8wRP0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com...

    Thus, no one in 1965 foresaw everyone having a battery powered, wirelessly >networked, cool, quiet and inexpensive computer in their pocket. Because
    it was physically impossible!

    No one included Gene Roddenberry and Stanley Kubrick. Yet the Intel 4004 arrived in 1971.

    Also in 1971 I serviced a portable, wirelessly connected Army computer. It occupied 6 interconnected trailers, was Diesel powered and communicated by troposcatter microwave. Even the hard drive was the size of a washing
    machine, with the platter visible under a dome on top. The demo was hauling
    it up the dirt road to a snow covered German mountain top and joining a data network. We were asked to trade personal Teletype messages with other site operators as test traffic but it was too disorganized back then, without an address directory and they didn't understand CQ.

    https://www.hewlettpackardhistory.com/item/arthur-clarkes-9100a/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CQ_(call)

    alt.economics is NG on ES.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military on Fri Feb 13 09:22:02 2026
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    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10mm61v$20kef$1@dont-email.me...

    "Nick Charles" wrote in message news:R46cnU_XEfW8wRP0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com...

    Thus, no one in 1965 foresaw everyone having a battery powered, wirelessly >networked, cool, quiet and inexpensive computer in their pocket. Because
    it was physically impossible!

    No one included Gene Roddenberry and Stanley Kubrick. Yet the Intel 4004 arrived in 1971.
    -----------------------------------
    The technology that enabled a microcomputer had been developed in 1959,
    though only its developers realized its potential. https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/the-birth-of-the-integrated-circuit "Although the military was informed of this progress, they were not enthusiastic."

    The military wants to see it practical, they have been repeatedly burned by promising ideas that turned out poorly, such as cramming turbochargers into sleek fighter planes. The machine gun needed 40 years to become light enough for one man to carry. Governments are the only customers willing and able to provide early development funds and wait for the product so they led the advance of much technology.

    Much of the difficulty was in the microscopic fabrication process which was solved by hands-on technicians as well as engineers. An example is the photographic process that hides text in a period-sized dot for spies. I've read that the source of sufficiently fine grained emulsion was dimensionally stable glass plates for astronomical photography. I developed a
    spectrographic image on one and measured the positions of the extremely fine lines it captured with a microscope. The individual black amorphous silver grains were quite visible.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdot
    "The reduction was such that a page of text would be legibly reproduced in
    an area of 0.01 mm2."

    I was closely involved with electronic testing during the 70's and 80's. The limit to progress was the fault rate, the percentage yield of good product. Fabrication advances immediately went to making more difficult product. I
    have a stack of rejected 6" Silicon IC wafers mostly covered with the ink
    dots that marked defects.

    This is what IC wafers look like. Each identical square is a separate device like the four shown magnified behind the round wafer. https://chipscapes.com/products/silicon-wafer-with-microprocessor-chips-4-inch-aloha

    Typically all grades of a device are made the same way and testing sorts
    them into higher or lower speed or functionality. Radio Shack sold the ones that worked but didn't quite pass spec. I find that on components from
    Amazon too, a batch of surge voltage clamps tested either slightly above or slightly below the tolerance limits, none within them. Much component
    testing can be done using lab power supplies with meters and adjustable current limits.

    My training to become an IC manufacturer's lab tech was reverse engineering
    a packaged IC back to the schematic by etching it down layer by layer and tracing the connections. I got the FETs, bipolar transistors, current
    mirrors, logic gates, op amps and comparators right, all but the voltage references which were jumbles of junctions with no contrast between them. As the lab tech I applied what I'd learned of technical photography to make current flow visible.

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