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I can't support Trump's attempt to take over.

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On 1/15/26 2:52 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I can't support Trump's attempt to take over.

Not sure why he wants to. There are already agreements with the US that should more than suffice for US defense needs.

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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:10kd5m0$1i49j$1@dont-email.me...

On 1/15/26 2:52 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I can't support Trump's attempt to take over.

Not sure why he wants to. There are already agreements with the US that
should more than suffice for US defense needs.

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I wonder if he is forcing Denmark to face that it couldn't defend Greenland against an invasion by Fiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji_and_the_United_Nations
"The BBC has remarked on Fiji's "long and proud history of sending its
forces to the world's trouble-spots". As of September 2004, 35 Fiji soldiers had been killed in the line of duty while serving on UN peacekeeping missions."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0ydjvxpejo
"The problem is there's not a thing that Denmark can do about it if Russia
or China wants to occupy Greenland, but there's everything we can do. You found that out last week with Venezuela."
- Trump

France already owns nearby territory in North America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon

Inviting foreign troops to protect property you can't loudly proclaims weakness and is why Celtic Britain fell to Saxon Germans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortigern

The Saxons are likely the unstated enemy King Arthur temporarily overcame. https://www.historyhit.com/why-was-the-battle-of-mount-badon-so-significant/

Likewise Rome took over Palestine and Egypt after being invited in by one
side of royal family disputes. You may know about Cleopatra, this is how
free Jewish Palestine gave away its independence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_civil_war
"After Pompey realized Rome could better manipulate Hyrcanus, he sided with him and took the Roman forces in Syria against Aristobulus."

If for example the retreating ice uncovers a huge Platinum (or Vibranium) meteorite the Greenlanders will regret not having a stronger protector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_York_meteorite

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On 1/16/26 10:43 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Stephen Harding"-a wrote in message news:10kd5m0$1i49j$1@dont-email.me...

On 1/15/26 2:52 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I can't support Trump's attempt to take over.

Not sure why he wants to.-a There are already agreements with the US that should more than suffice for US defense needs.

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I wonder if he is forcing Denmark to face that it couldn't defend
Greenland against an invasion by Fiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji_and_the_United_Nations
"The BBC has remarked on Fiji's "long and proud history of sending its forces to the world's trouble-spots". As of September 2004, 35 Fiji
soldiers had been killed in the line of duty while serving on UN peacekeeping missions."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0ydjvxpejo
"The problem is there's not a thing that Denmark can do about it if
Russia or China wants to occupy Greenland, but there's everything we can
do. You found that out last week with Venezuela."
- Trump

France already owns nearby territory in North America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon

Inviting foreign troops to protect property you can't loudly proclaims weakness and is why Celtic Britain fell to Saxon Germans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortigern

The Saxons are likely the unstated enemy King Arthur temporarily overcame. https://www.historyhit.com/why-was-the-battle-of-mount-badon-so- significant/

Likewise Rome took over Palestine and Egypt after being invited in by
one side of royal family disputes. You may know about Cleopatra, this is
how free Jewish Palestine gave away its independence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_civil_war
"After Pompey realized Rome could better manipulate Hyrcanus, he sided
with him and took the Roman forces in Syria against Aristobulus."

If for example the retreating ice uncovers a huge Platinum (or
Vibranium) meteorite the Greenlanders will regret not having a stronger protector.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_York_meteorite

I think Greenland will become more and more valuable as polar ice melts
and the northwest passage gets more and more business, not to mention
its natural resources becoming more available.

But that's a ways off. Of course China in particular looks farther
ahead than American leaders have for quite some time.


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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:10kfsco$2g02q$1@dont-email.me...

On 1/16/26 10:43 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

...
If for example the retreating ice uncovers a huge Platinum (or Vibranium) meteorite the Greenlanders will regret not having a stronger protector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_York_meteorite

I think Greenland will become more and more valuable as polar ice melts
and the northwest passage gets more and more business, not to mention
its natural resources becoming more available.

But that's a ways off. Of course China in particular looks farther
ahead than American leaders have for quite some time.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryolite
"In 1940 before entering World War II, the United States became involved
with protecting the world's largest cryolite mine in Ivittuut, Greenland
from falling into Nazi Germany's control."

There might be more under the ice.

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On 1/17/26 7:43 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Stephen Harding"-a wrote in message news:10kfsco$2g02q$1@dont-email.me...

On 1/16/26 10:43 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

...
If for example the retreating ice uncovers a huge Platinum (or
Vibranium) meteorite the Greenlanders will regret not having a
stronger protector.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_York_meteorite

I think Greenland will become more and more valuable as polar ice melts
and the northwest passage gets more and more business, not to mention
its natural resources becoming more available.

But that's a ways off.-a Of course China in particular looks farther
ahead than American leaders have for quite some time.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryolite
"In 1940 before entering World War II, the United States became involved with protecting the world's largest cryolite mine in Ivittuut, Greenland from falling into Nazi Germany's control."

There might be more under the ice.

The US had weather stations up there during WWII (some of which probably
still exist). Knowing what weather was coming was a major advantage for
the western allies. Germany was more in the dark about coming weather.

It is thought that Nazis had some secret weather stations up there as
well and would attempt to spoof allied stations with bad reports. It is thought possible that the lost P-38s and B-17s on their way to Europe in
1942 were brought down by faulty weather reports from the Germans.
"Glacier Girl" was one of those P-38s brought back to life from the ice.

Don't know if the Germans really did have secret weather stations up
there or not, or, if so, if they were responsible for the "lost flight"
left on the Greenland ice since summer 1942.

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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:10kh382$2u2as$1@dont-email.me...

The US had weather stations up there during WWII (some of which probably
still exist). Knowing what weather was coming was a major advantage for
the western allies. Germany was more in the dark about coming weather.

It is thought that Nazis had some secret weather stations up there as
well and would attempt to spoof allied stations with bad reports. It is thought possible that the lost P-38s and B-17s on their way to Europe in
1942 were brought down by faulty weather reports from the Germans.
"Glacier Girl" was one of those P-38s brought back to life from the ice.

Don't know if the Germans really did have secret weather stations up
there or not, or, if so, if they were responsible for the "lost flight"
left on the Greenland ice since summer 1942.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base

https://www.military.com/feature/2025/10/13/when-us-troops-fought-nazis-arctic-forgotten-battle-greenland.html

There were German supply ships in the area, to support U-Boote and the Bismarck. Their need to communicate by radio gave them away to shore and
ship direction finders and Ultra decryption.

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There were German supply ships in the area, to support U-Boote and the Bismarck. Their need to communicate by radio gave them away to shore and
ship direction finders and Ultra decryption.
------- https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1954/march/german-naval-support-techniques-world-war-ii

"Short signal" may refer to Kurzsignale, a coded pulse train as short as 50 milliSeconds meant to defeat Allied direction finding, which the Germans assumed would use a rotating antenna like theirs. However the British HF/DF system used an omnidirectional non-rotating antenna that determined
direction by phase difference, as our ears do, and could detect the presence and direction of the burst in its first milliSecond. The British system gave poorer directional accuracy but it allowed the convoy escort carrying it to head in the right direction to catch the next transmission from closer in.

https://www.ciphermachinesandcryptology.com/en/kurzsignale.htm
This appears to have been written before the Germans learned how HF/DF actually worked to defeat Kurzsignale, long after the war and possibly only when I described it in detail to two defiant Nazi holdouts in R.A.M. Several of us deflated all their claims of superior tech that could have helped them if only the war had lasted a little longer. The 1200+ Me-262 jet fighters
they build made little difference.

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:00:55 -0500, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10khd6a$319tu$1@dont-email.me...

There were German supply ships in the area, to support U-Boote and the Bismarck. Their need to communicate by radio gave them away to shore and
ship direction finders and Ultra decryption.
-------
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1954/march/german-naval-

support-techniques-world-war-ii

"Short signal" may refer to Kurzsignale, a coded pulse train as short as
50 milliSeconds meant to defeat Allied direction finding, which the
Germans assumed would use a rotating antenna like theirs. However the
British HF/DF system used an omnidirectional non-rotating antenna that determined direction by phase difference, as our ears do, and could
detect the presence and direction of the burst in its first milliSecond.
The British system gave poorer directional accuracy but it allowed the
convoy escort carrying it to head in the right direction to catch the
next transmission from closer in.

https://www.ciphermachinesandcryptology.com/en/kurzsignale.htm This
appears to have been written before the Germans learned how HF/DF
actually worked to defeat Kurzsignale, long after the war and possibly
only when I described it in detail to two defiant Nazi holdouts in
R.A.M. Several of us deflated all their claims of superior tech that
could have helped them if only the war had lasted a little longer. The
1200+ Me-262 jet fighters they build made little difference.

There may have been 1200 Me 262 airframes listed as being rolled out of
the factories, but the most that the Germans were ever able to get in the
air at one time was about 50-60 on one day in April 1945.
--
Peter Stickney
Java Man knew nothing about coffee
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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message news:10kjhp1$3p6rv$1@dont-email.me...

On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:00:55 -0500, Jim Wilkins wrote:

The 1200+ Me-262 jet fighters they build made little difference.

There may have been 1200 Me 262 airframes listed as being rolled out of
the factories, but the most that the Germans were ever able to get in the
air at one time was about 50-60 on one day in April 1945.

Peter Stickney
Java Man knew nothing about coffee
-------------------------

Adolf Galland told a postwar interviewer that he couldn't find enough qualified pilots for the few jets he did have in JV44, the Me-262 squadron
he was demoted to command for telling unacceptable truths while General of
the Fighters. 44 was chosen as half of 88, Hitler's magic number.

Few good fighter pilots were left and bomber pilots didn't transition well enough to difficult high speed interception with 30mm cannons or rockets,
both of relatively low velocity and curving trajectory. Some excellent
fighter pilots, notably Erich Hartmann, preferred to stay on the Russian
front where they could remain more productive, the high scoring ones who transferred to Reich Defense hadn't done very well there when outnumbered by Mustangs. A group of Mustangs had forced Hartmann to bail out over Romania.
He had to continually make extreme maneuvers at full throttle to avoid their guns, and ran his Me-109 out of fuel.

The Me-262 was too clumsy and not suitably armed to dogfight and the best
prop fighters and pilots had to be assigned to protect it while taking off
and landing at lower speed; it couldn't defend its own airfield. Nowotny the first jet leader and Galland after him were shot down by P-47s while
landing.

This is long but quite comprehensive. The meat begins in Chapter 3. https://repository.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2218&context=gradschool_theses
"By early 1942, the Germans had lost so many trained pilots that they had to dip into their
training units for instructors and advanced students to fill out their operations ranks."

The Germans became desperate and threw all available pilots into the air battle when the Allies, mainly the RAF at night when they couldn't hit anything smaller, carpet bombed and burned cities and killed wives and children. Loss of seasoned instructors killed in combat or night landing accidents plus American attacks on fuel supplies that limited training
flights greatly reduced the skill of late war pilots.

Eisenhower's advantage was an understanding of economics and production vulnerability that the classically and militarily trained British officers lacked. He resisted the British demand that we should stop attacking production facilities during the day and join them in bombing cities at
night. They were very put off that we could succeed where they had warned us not to repeat their failure.

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Adolf Galland ...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1605370.The_First_and_the_Last

Erich Hartmann https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1002425.The_Blond_Knight_of_Germany?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_14

A pilot who defended the Me-262 airfield https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12097492-i-fought-you-from-the-skies?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_12

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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message news:10kjhp1$3p6rv$1@dont-email.me...

On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:00:55 -0500, Jim Wilkins wrote:

The
1200+ Me-262 jet fighters they build made little difference.

There may have been 1200 Me 262 airframes listed as being rolled out of
the factories, but the most that the Germans were ever able to get in the
air at one time was about 50-60 on one day in April 1945.
Peter Stickney
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I read that only around 300 ever flew at least once. Construction quality
was poor and the jet engines were very unreliable and short-lived, around 25 hours +/-. When one failed in flight the plane lost its speed advantage and the Allied fighters that swarmed after any Me-262 they saw pounced on it. Germany was extremely short of alloying metals that improve steel's strength and the high temperature resistance vital for jet exhaust turbines and much
of what they did have was wasted in the hydrogen peroxide powered submarines that never saw combat service.
https://uboat.net/types/walter_hist.htm

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/me-262-or-he-162-a-waste-of-resources.41993/
That discussion illustrates the uncertainty, speculation and conflicting claims that make careful analysis difficult. The He-162 VolksJaeger or Peoples' Fighter was a cheaper and simpler alternative jet for less trained pilots, closer to a kamikaze. The Japanese equivalent was an intentional kamikaze.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_MXY-7_Ohka

In a high speed flight and especially a dive Japanese controls would stiffen or lock up, which kept the plane on course even with the pilot killed. That was the price of superior maneuverability at lower speed, and the advantage
of the P-40 and P-38 as long as they kept their speed up by not turning tightly. The P-40 was fast enough in a dive while still controllable to pull
a similar lightning-fast shooting pass through a Japanese bomber formation like an Me-262. Its problem was reaching high altitude on short notice, it didn't have room for the bulky turbocharger ducting its Allison engine was originally meant for. The P-38 did because there was no pilot behind the engines.

"The Secret Horsepower Race" is a pretty good source on German engineering difficulties, less on the Allied engines that other books cover. The author
is a racing engineer who understands the technical subtleties of high performance. German aero engines had 1.5 times the displacement but produced power similar to Allied ones.

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https://uboat.net/types/walter_hist.htm

"Thus the Walter boats did not have any real effect on the war but they were
a very interesting development and according to admiral D||nitz with a little courage and vision they could have been in service 2 years earlier and then they certainly would have had enormous impact on the war."

Actually when the advanced/upgraded U-Boot designs sortied in April-May 1945 improved Allied tactics found and destroyed several a day. https://uboat.net/fates/losses/1945.htm

German writing on wartime tech is full of "If we knew then what we know now" and woulda, shoulda, coulda (but dinna) projections of theoretical proposals which we dismissed as paper airplanes. The ultimate WW2 Nazi inspired jet fighter was the F-102 which couldn't meet expectations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-102_Delta_Dagger
"...results were disappointing: as originally designed, the aircraft could
not achieve Mach 1 supersonic flight."

I think the correct German assessment was that if they could have stopped
the Allied bomber campaign the Russians would have reached Paris.

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If Trump somehow gets his way there is a precedent in American Samoa's at-arms-length relationship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoan_citizenship_and_nationality

They are US nationals but not US citizens, by their choice.
"The government of American Samoa intervened with permission of the United States District Court for the District of Utah, arguing that U.S.
citizenship should not be imposed upon American Samoa."

That also could relate to the status of border-jumpers.
"In 2015, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled in Tuaua v. United States (788 F.3d 300, D.C. Cir., 2015) that birthright citizenship as outlined in the Constitution is a vague concept
and that it did not apply to American Samoa. Though appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, the justices refused to review the decision."

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Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote:

I think Greenland will become more and more valuable as polar ice
melts and the northwest passage gets more and more business, not to
mention its natural resources becoming more available.

But that's a ways off. Of course China in particular looks farther
ahead than American leaders have for quite some time.

And of course that would only happen if climate change is real... which Demented Donnie has repeatedly denied...
--
Juergen Nieveler

Ceterum censeo NSA esse delendam
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Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote:

I think Greenland will become more and more valuable as polar ice
melts and the northwest passage gets more and more business, not to
mention its natural resources becoming more available.

But that's a ways off. Of course China in particular looks farther
ahead than American leaders have for quite some time.

And of course that would only happen if climate change is real... which Demented Donnie has repeatedly denied...
--
Juergen Nieveler

Ceterum censeo NSA esse delendam
--------------------------

After 3 million years ago the warmer Earth began oscillating between colder than now and warmer than now for reasons we can theorize but not solidly prove. Unless you are rigidly locked into self-serving leftist dogma you can see that the connection between assumed cause and observed effect is uncertain, it exists in computer models chosen to prove that it exists, but can't accurately predict tomorrow's weather so just deny that they should.

Water vapor is the main greenhouse gas, CO2 contributes only a small percentage but it can be blamed on humans while water can't, though it's
used for deceitful pollution images. "Peak Oil" alarmism proved false and something else that weakens Capitalist societies must replace it.

For those remaining with open minds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliocene
"By 3.3rCo3.0 Ma, during the Mid-Piacenzian Warm Period (mPWP), global average temperature was 2rCo3 -#C higher than today, while carbon dioxide levels were the same as today (400 ppm)."
The same or somewhat higher.

The northern shore of Greenland was forested as recently as the early rise
of humanity, with still detectable organic remnants preserved by subsequent ice ages.
https://www.livescience.com/7331-ancient-greenland-green.html

Continental drift can't be blamed, it has been only a few dozen kilometers
in the last million years. Something(s) made the climate both hotter and colder than we have personally seen. Earth has negative feedback mechanisms that moderate change and positive ones that accelerate it, and we haven't
been closely watching and especially measuring the changes long enough to separate and understand them, the rates of change are substantially buried
in short term noise and interactions. Here in New England there has been little overall change in a century though a lot of yearly variation, for NH the extremes were in 1911 and 1885. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes

We have evidence that the Sahara had lakes and rivers as late as early recorded history but lack data from there and but can only guess why the
rain stopped.

By some geological evidence we are overdue for another Ice Age.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major-General%27s_Song

https://genius.com/Gilbert-and-sullivan-when-i-was-a-lad-annotated

Although at West Point Patton had the reputation of never setting foot in
the library (which is close to his statue) he used his knowledge of Caesar's Gallic War to choose routes where the soil was firm enough for wheels and treads, and raced with Caesar to quickly bridge the Rhine. In Sicily he confirmed the entasis (optical curvature correction) of ancient temple entrance steps by placing his helmet on one end and noting that it wasn't visible from the other.

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On 1/18/26 20:14, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Peter Stickney"-a wrote in message news:10kjhp1$3p6rv$1@dont-email.me...

On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:00:55 -0500, Jim Wilkins wrote:

The 1200+ Me-262 jet fighters they build made little difference.

There may have been 1200 Me 262 airframes listed as being rolled out of
the factories, but the most that the Germans were ever able to get in the
air at one time was about 50-60 on one day in April 1945.

---------------

Eisenhower's advantage was an understanding of economics and production vulnerability that the classically and militarily trained British
officers lacked. He resisted the British demand that we should stop attacking production facilities during the day and join them in bombing cities at night. They were very put off that we could succeed where they
had warned us not to repeat their failure.

Very interesting comment.

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"a425couple" wrote in message news:ENReR.1145295$CZPd.1066149@fx18.iad...

On 1/18/26 20:14, Jim Wilkins wrote:

Eisenhower's advantage was an understanding of economics and production vulnerability that the classically and militarily trained British officers lacked. He resisted the British demand that we should stop attacking production facilities during the day and join them in bombing cities at night. They were very put off that we could succeed where they had warned
us not to repeat their failure.

Very interesting comment.
----------------------------

This was my source for some of that: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2MKhm99hgpBrV79K47Mycbh/persian-poets-need-not-apply-29-march-2002

"But whereas Mr Macmillan found Eisenhower deficient I imagine in quotations from Virgil and Wordsworth, he was woefully ill-educated in mathematics, engineering, strategy and tactics, especially the economics of industrial warfare about which Eisenhower's prescience had made General Marshall insist he become supreme commander."


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