• Re: short answer - you don't know if it's sedition to question illegal orders

    From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Fri Nov 21 16:04:24 2025
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    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun and Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with her
    head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward. And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.
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  • From Elendil@horchata12839@gmail.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Fri Nov 21 18:06:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.aviation.military

    a425couple wrote:
    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun
    and Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with
    her head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward.-a And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.

    Yes I think it was a publicity stunt because I couldn't find the article
    on AP Reuters.
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  • From Webbster@bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Sat Nov 22 02:22:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.aviation.military

    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:d67UQ.39510$pEH7.14147 @fx18.iad:

    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun
    and
    Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with her
    head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward. And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.

    For years MTG opposed the Dems, it wasn't until she opposed tRump that
    she had to hire bodyguards.

    Dems in Congress have arrainged for increased security. Perhaps you
    think it a jap, but too many of your conservaturd brothers take it as
    marching orders.
    --
    @..@
    (----)
    ----------
    United we ribbit, divided we croak
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  • From Elendil@horchata12839@gmail.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Fri Nov 21 20:54:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.aviation.military

    Webbster wrote:
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:d67UQ.39510$pEH7.14147 @fx18.iad:

    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun
    and
    Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with her
    head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward. And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.

    For years MTG opposed the Dems, it wasn't until she opposed tRump that
    she had to hire bodyguards.

    Dems in Congress have arrainged for increased security. Perhaps you
    think it a jap, but too many of your conservaturd brothers take it as marching orders.


    Well, it certainly evaporated in the news quickly. I think they say,
    "That de-escalated rapidly."
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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Mon Nov 24 09:58:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.aviation.military

    On 11/21/25 18:22, Webbster wrote:
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:d67UQ.39510$pEH7.14147 @fx18.iad:

    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun
    and
    Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with her
    head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward. And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.

    Dems in Congress have arrainged for increased security. Perhaps you
    think it a jap, but too many of your conservaturd brothers take it as marching orders.

    Webbster, I have trouble believing you really approve of
    the sedition these 6 Democrats are sowing.

    Webbster, I believe in your name of Baxter, you said you had
    worked a career in the US Army. If you did a career, you must
    have gotten into positions of leadership. You had to have
    been expected to give orders, and ensure they were followed.
    Safety and security for all depend on orders being followed.

    How would you have reacted if on the fringes of your workspace
    there were uninvolved people implying that your orders were
    illegal and that your soldiers did not need to obey you?

    I enlisted in the US Marine Corps in Feb. 1969. In March 1970
    I was commissioned as an officer. During the next 3 years
    (including time in Vietnam) I had to give orders that had to
    be followed. In the active reserve I got promoted to Captain,
    and had to take responsibility for my orders being followed.

    In November 1973 I became a police officer. During my
    career I became a police sergeant and police lieutenant.
    I supervised during some tense time and disruptions
    such as the World Trade Organization Protests.
    If during a protest, I saw a protestor throwing a brick
    and I gave the command "Shields Up" to protect my officers,
    how dare anyone decide for themselves that that move
    seemed to provocative.

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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Mon Nov 24 15:50:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.aviation.military

    On 11/24/25 09:58, a425couple wrote:
    On 11/21/25 18:22, Webbster wrote:
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:d67UQ.39510$pEH7.14147
    @fx18.iad:

    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun
    and
    Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with her
    head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward.-a And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.

    Dems in Congress have arrainged for increased security.-a Perhaps you
    think it a jap, but too many of your conservaturd brothers take it as
    marching orders.

    Webbster, I have trouble believing you really approve of
    the sedition these 6 Democrats are sowing.

    Webbster, I believe in your name of Baxter, you said you had
    worked a career in the US Army.-a If you did a career, you must
    have gotten into positions of leadership.-a You had to have
    been expected to give orders, and ensure they were followed.
    Safety and security for all depend on orders being followed.

    How would you have reacted if on the fringes of your workspace
    there were uninvolved people implying that your orders were
    illegal and that your soldiers did not need to obey you?

    I enlisted in the US Marine Corps in Feb. 1969.-a In March 1970
    I was commissioned as an officer.-a During the next 3 years
    (including time in Vietnam) I had to give orders that had to
    be followed. In the active reserve I got promoted to Captain,
    and had to take responsibility for my orders being followed.

    In November 1973 I became a police officer.-a During my
    career I became a police sergeant and police lieutenant.
    I supervised during some tense time and disruptions
    such as the World Trade Organization Protests.
    If during a protest, I saw a protestor throwing a brick
    and I gave the command "Shields Up" to protect my officers,
    how dare anyone decide for themselves that that move
    seemed too provocative.



    Richard S
    DoesnrCOt the military swear an oath to defend the Constitution and the President, not laws, which N++can vary from state to state?

    Cory
    18 U.S.C. -o 2387 rCo Activities affecting armed forces generally
    Makes it a crime for any person who, with intent to interfere with
    military loyalty, morale, or discipline, rCLadvises, counsels, urges, or
    in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty,
    mutiny, or refusal of dutyrCY by a member of the armed forces. Punishable
    by up to 10 years in prison and other penalties.

    David G.
    Illegal orders? Pres. Trump is carrying out his constitutional orders as
    the chief executive and commander in chief.


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  • From Webbster@bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Tue Nov 25 05:07:05 2025
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    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:j11VQ.26637$TwW8.10672 @fx13.iad:

    On 11/21/25 18:22, Webbster wrote:
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:d67UQ.39510
    $pEH7.14147
    @fx18.iad:

    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun
    and
    Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with her
    head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward. And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.

    Dems in Congress have arrainged for increased security. Perhaps you
    think it a jap, but too many of your conservaturd brothers take it as
    marching orders.

    Webbster, I have trouble believing you really approve of
    the sedition these 6 Democrats are sowing.

    Sedition?!! How is it sedition to resist an ILLEGAL order?

    Answer this: are soldiers allowed to disobey an ILLGAL order? Are the
    not REQUIRED to resist an ILLEGAL order?

    I say that any soldier that obeys an ILLEGAL order is as criminal as the person who issued that ILLEGAL order.
    --
    @..@
    (----)
    ----------
    United we ribbit, divided we croak
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to or.politics,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,seattle.politics on Tue Nov 25 14:26:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.aviation.military

    On 11/24/25 21:07, Webbster wrote:
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:j11VQ.26637$TwW8.10672 @fx13.iad:

    On 11/21/25 18:22, Webbster wrote:
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:d67UQ.39510
    $pEH7.14147
    @fx18.iad:

    On 11/21/25 07:20, Elendil wrote:
    Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Anyways it was all in good fun
    and
    Trump was in on it, not calling on any executions. No "Off with her
    head," today.

    Yes.
    It is fairly straightforward. And our military and law enforcement
    members are regularly trained on it.
    All is well.

    Be very careful if you decide on your own that an order is illegal.
    Your supervisors often know more than you do.
    And getting that decision wrong can be very dangerous.

    But then 5 nitwit Democrats decided to act superior and criticize
    POTUS Trump for something they thought he might do.
    Never miss a chance to criticize for something that might happen.
    They wanted a reaction, and they got it.

    Dems in Congress have arrainged for increased security. Perhaps you
    think it a jap, but too many of your conservaturd brothers take it as
    marching orders.

    Webbster, I have trouble believing you really approve of
    the sedition these 6 Democrats are sowing.

    Sedition?!! How is it sedition to resist an ILLEGAL order?
    Answer this: are soldiers allowed to disobey an ILLGAL order? Are the
    not REQUIRED to resist an ILLEGAL order?
    I say that any soldier that obeys an ILLEGAL order is as criminal as the person who issued that ILLEGAL order.

    Even Slotkin who was speaking in the video, admitted that she could not
    name any order that was "illegal". So, it is all vaguely subversive.

    But you have failed to answer my question.

    Webbster, I have trouble believing you really approve of
    the sedition these 6 Democrats are sowing.

    Webbster, I believe in your name of Baxter, you said you had
    worked a career in the US Army. If you did a career, you must
    have gotten into positions of leadership. You had to have
    been expected to give orders, and ensure they were followed.
    Safety and security for all depend on orders being followed.

    How would you have reacted if on the fringes of your workspace
    there were uninvolved people implying that your orders were
    illegal and that your soldiers did not need to obey you?

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2