• 1998 Ford 4.2L V6 idle issue

    From UFO@techforce@nospam.gmx.com to rec.autos.tech on Thu Jun 19 17:58:32 2025
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    Just got a 1998 Ford F150 with the V6 / Auto about 100K miles. Not sure when its had a tune up, but occasionally at a light the idle will reduce as if
    its about to stall, then it recovers.

    Recently I let the vehicle sit a few days without a start and it started up fairly quick, but soon the idle slowed down quite a bit again, nearly
    stalled.

    Some internet research says it could be an EGR valve and other things like
    the coil pack module?

    I was gonna try some STP fuel injector cleaner maybe as a start....any good resources out there of this engine?



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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.autos.tech on Thu Jun 19 17:02:57 2025
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    On 6/19/2025 4:58 PM, UFO wrote:
    Just got a 1998 Ford F150 with the V6 / Auto about 100K
    miles. Not sure when its had a tune up, but occasionally at
    a light the idle will reduce as if its about to stall, then
    it recovers.

    Recently I let the vehicle sit a few days without a start
    and it started up fairly quick, but soon the idle slowed
    down quite a bit again, nearly stalled.

    Some internet research says it could be an EGR valve and
    other things like the coil pack module?

    I was gonna try some STP fuel injector cleaner maybe as a
    start....any good resources out there of this engine?




    Start at any mechanic or auto parts store to read the codes.
    Write them down and research solutions (Adjustment?
    Replacement?) once you know where the problem lies.
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.autos.tech on Thu Jun 19 19:13:08 2025
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    UFO <techforce@nospam.gmx.com> wrote:
    Just got a 1998 Ford F150 with the V6 / Auto about 100K miles. Not sure when >its had a tune up, but occasionally at a light the idle will reduce as if >its about to stall, then it recovers.

    Well, first step is to do a basic tuneup, do a check for vacuum leaks,
    clear the codes, drive around and see what codes get set. With a '98
    you get computer control but without so much ability to look inside the computer control.

    But... if you don't know what the plugs are like and you don't know if there are vacuum leaks and the fuel filter might be the original one that came
    with the car, you should at least get the car up to good driving condition before attempting any diagnosis.

    Some internet research says it could be an EGR valve and other things like >the coil pack module?

    Maybe a plastic Jesus might help too. Do actual diagnosis.
    --scott
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  • From UFO@techforce@nospam.gmx.com to rec.autos.tech on Fri Jun 20 14:37:57 2025
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    I guess I will need a ODB code reader? Will any one do or only the older
    ones?

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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.autos.tech on Fri Jun 20 17:00:55 2025
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    In article <44573a4425ef2e2201c8049d6acf5a913fa64e82@i2pn2.org>,
    UFO <techforce@nospam.gmx.com> wrote:

    I guess I will need a ODB code reader? Will any one do or only the older >ones?

    Maybe. 1998 was a transition year... california cars all had OBD-II,
    some trucks had OBD-II, but some cars and trucks still had OBD-I. Check
    the manual if you don't see an obvious OBD-II port. You may be having to
    count light flashes.
    --scott
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.autos.tech on Fri Jun 20 16:09:09 2025
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    On 6/20/2025 4:00 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <44573a4425ef2e2201c8049d6acf5a913fa64e82@i2pn2.org>,
    UFO <techforce@nospam.gmx.com> wrote:

    I guess I will need a ODB code reader? Will any one do or only the older
    ones?

    Maybe. 1998 was a transition year... california cars all had OBD-II,
    some trucks had OBD-II, but some cars and trucks still had OBD-I. Check
    the manual if you don't see an obvious OBD-II port. You may be having to count light flashes.
    --scott

    Since he mostly needs to know why it's not running well, he
    should probably just use the (usually free) code reading
    services rather than buying a reader at this point.
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.autos.tech on Fri Jun 20 17:49:12 2025
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    In article <1034ilk$8jua$2@dont-email.me>, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >On 6/20/2025 4:00 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <44573a4425ef2e2201c8049d6acf5a913fa64e82@i2pn2.org>,
    UFO <techforce@nospam.gmx.com> wrote:

    I guess I will need a ODB code reader? Will any one do or only the older >>> ones?

    Maybe. 1998 was a transition year... california cars all had OBD-II,
    some trucks had OBD-II, but some cars and trucks still had OBD-I. Check
    the manual if you don't see an obvious OBD-II port. You may be having to
    count light flashes.

    Since he mostly needs to know why it's not running well, he
    should probably just use the (usually free) code reading
    services rather than buying a reader at this point.

    He might not even need that.
    --scott
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  • From UFO@techforce@nospam.gmx.com to rec.autos.tech on Fri Jun 20 22:30:51 2025
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    Thanks, I got a code reader for 21 bucks at Wallymart.

    It fit on the plug under the dash, and with the eng running it indicated: P1537, P1538
    Found this post online with some things to look into.

    https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/498733-codes-p1538-p1537-what-is-it.html

    Meanwhile, I replaced the serpentine belt as the used car dealer had ordered it
    and said I could have it.

    I noticed a slight clicking coming from near the alternator area on the pass side
    after the new belt was on and eng running. As the eng warmed up, the
    clicking seemed
    to diminish, almost sounded like a bearing in the really early stages of
    EOL.

    Previously I had noticed an RPM drop when idling at a light one time, seemed like
    it was gonna stall but fully recovered quickly.

    Last week the truck sat unstarted for 3 days, and it started up ok but
    this RPM drop happened after only 15 seconds, then as before, it recovered fine
    and I moved the truck into the workbay and did the serpentine belt job.

    Didnt see the RPM drop with the new belt, but it only sat 2 days not 3.

    Wondering if it could be the alternator bearing, or the idler or tension pulley
    once in a while binding, slowing down to nearly a stall?

    The dealer did say he replaced the tension pulley not long ago, and the old belt had signs
    of fraying on the outer edges....?


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  • From UFO@techforce@nospam.gmx.com to rec.autos.tech on Sat Jun 21 09:44:13 2025
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    Ok did a little more research and youtube viewing.

    Apparently the codes point to (2) IMRC valves and if they are bad
    you can see idling and fuel economy issues...so that may explain my drop in idle
    I noticed, and it does seem at times I get poor gas mileage on occasion.

    The RT IMRC is Part No. F65Z-9S514-CC, F65Z-9S514-CB
    Cannot find the PN for the LT side, but an ebay seller told me the OEM
    Ford valves will almost always have dry rotted diaphrams and are junk
    and ought not be purchased...and to go with aftermarket.

    In one of the youtube videos, they claim you will hear a clicking sort of sound near the intake
    manifold if these are bad, so that may explain the noise I made not of in
    the other post.

    Another video claimed replacing the Vacuum Solenoid Purge Valve , PN: F65Z-9H465-CA /
    F65E-9H465-CA solved the 2 error codes so I am thinking about buying this
    one on ebay:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/364159939529

    With 100K on the eng, maybe its worth replacing anyhow?

    I guess also a good idea to look at the vacuum lines behind the battery like the other
    webpost mentioned in the event its a leaky line.

    The Truck was at this used car dealer 12 yrs, mostly sitting waiting to be sold, he ran it every now and then
    for short trips to Home Depot to pick up large items as its got the 8 foot bed, so maybe those diaphrams
    did dry rot or crack in there?



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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.autos.tech on Sat Jun 21 12:25:47 2025
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    UFO <techforce@nospam.gmx.com> wrote:
    Thanks, I got a code reader for 21 bucks at Wallymart.

    It fit on the plug under the dash, and with the eng running it indicated: >P1537, P1538
    Found this post online with some things to look into.

    Ignore the second code. The first code tells you that the computer thinks
    the intake manifold runner isn't moving.

    Some engines will use engine vacuum to move these, some will use a servo.
    if yours uses engine vacuum, the first step is to check for vacuum leaks
    which you should have done already anyway..

    The next step is to make sure they do move freely by hand, and THEN to
    check out the position switches that let the computer know that they are
    open or closed.

    Meanwhile, I replaced the serpentine belt as the used car dealer had ordered >it
    and said I could have it.

    I noticed a slight clicking coming from near the alternator area on the pass >side
    after the new belt was on and eng running. As the eng warmed up, the >clicking seemed
    to diminish, almost sounded like a bearing in the really early stages of >EOL.

    Did you replace the tensioner at the same time as the belt? If you squirt
    a little Super-Lube into the tensioner bearing, does the noise stop?

    Last week the truck sat unstarted for 3 days, and it started up ok but
    this RPM drop happened after only 15 seconds, then as before, it recovered >fine
    and I moved the truck into the workbay and did the serpentine belt job.

    Have you looked for vacuum leaks yet? You should check plugs too (which
    won't be causing any of your problems but is a good idea on a vehicle with
    no maintenance history).

    Wondering if it could be the alternator bearing, or the idler or tension >pulley
    once in a while binding, slowing down to nearly a stall?

    No, that has nothing to do with your stalling problem. That is a different issue. Find out why the computer thinks the runner isn't moving.
    --scott
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