• Ferrari to Introduce New Fuel and Engine Updates in Austria

    From dmunz@dlmunz@gmail.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jun 19 18:06:32 2026
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    From Autosport:

    rCLThe updated power unit pushes the concept of its steel-alloy cylinder head even further. Using a steel alloy rather than aluminium for the cylinder
    head allows combustion chamber temperatures to be significantly higher than usual; with aluminium, structural failures would have been inevitable at
    the same temperatures.

    Combined with a new Shell fuel developed specifically for this
    configuration, the increase in power is expected to help reduce the
    horsepower deficit.rCY

    I thought the whole purpose of the fuel regs was to prevent this kind of engine-specific brewing.

    Did I miss a memo?

    FWIW
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  • From Edmund@nomail@hotmail.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Jun 20 10:41:24 2026
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    On 6/19/26 8:06 PM, dmunz wrote:
    From Autosport:

    rCLThe updated power unit pushes the concept of its steel-alloy cylinder head even further. Using a steel alloy rather than aluminium for the cylinder
    head allows combustion chamber temperatures to be significantly higher than usual; with aluminium, structural failures would have been inevitable at
    the same temperatures.

    Combined with a new Shell fuel developed specifically for this
    configuration, the increase in power is expected to help reduce the horsepower deficit.rCY

    I thought the whole purpose of the fuel regs was to prevent this kind of engine-specific brewing.

    Did I miss a memo?

    No, you missed the whole idea of that bunch of silly elderly rule makers.




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  • From Keithr0@nothing.to.see@here.com.au to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 22 09:37:49 2026
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    On 20/06/2026 4:06 am, dmunz wrote:
    From Autosport:

    rCLThe updated power unit pushes the concept of its steel-alloy cylinder head even further. Using a steel alloy rather than aluminium for the cylinder
    head allows combustion chamber temperatures to be significantly higher than usual; with aluminium, structural failures would have been inevitable at
    the same temperatures.

    Combined with a new Shell fuel developed specifically for this
    configuration, the increase in power is expected to help reduce the horsepower deficit.rCY

    I thought the whole purpose of the fuel regs was to prevent this kind of engine-specific brewing.

    Did I miss a memo?

    FWIW
    DLM

    I believe that the fuels have to be submitted to the FIA to have their
    energy density assessed.

    From Formula1.com

    Since 2014, F1 cars have been limited in the amount of fuel they can
    use, both in the fuel flow at any given moment in the race but also
    across the race as a whole.

    That still exists, but for this year, the emphasis moves off the
    quantity of fuel used (measured in kilograms per hour) and onto the
    energy density of that fuel (measured in megajoules per hour), with a
    hard limit of 3000MJ/h.

    The maths behind this is complex, but the carrCOs electronic brain will do
    the necessary calculations, based on fuel samples examined and certified
    in advance by an independent body. As has been the case for a while, the random fuel samples taken at the track by the scrutineers will be
    examined to ensure the rCyfingerprintrCO of live samples matches the
    reference on file.
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  • From Woozy Song@suzyw0ng@outlook.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 22 13:50:27 2026
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    Keithr0 wrote:

    I believe that the fuels have to be submitted to the FIA to have their energy density assessed.

    From Formula1.com

    Since 2014, F1 cars have been limited in the amount of fuel they can
    use, both in the fuel flow at any given moment in the race but also
    across the race as a whole.

    That still exists, but for this year, the emphasis moves off the
    quantity of fuel used (measured in kilograms per hour) and onto the
    energy density of that fuel (measured in megajoules per hour), with a
    hard limit of 3000MJ/h.

    The maths behind this is complex, but the carrCOs electronic brain will do the necessary calculations, based on fuel samples examined and certified
    in advance by an independent body. As has been the case for a while, the random fuel samples taken at the track by the scrutineers will be
    examined to ensure the rCyfingerprintrCO of live samples matches the reference on file.

    I remember way back when Michael Schumacher at post-race interviews
    credited the win to Shell coming up with a new fuel, more Joules/litre I guess.
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  • From Keithr0@nothing.to.see@here.com.au to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jun 23 11:37:29 2026
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    On 22/06/2026 3:50 pm, Woozy Song wrote:
    Keithr0 wrote:

    I believe that the fuels have to be submitted to the FIA to have their
    energy density assessed.

    -aFrom Formula1.com

    Since 2014, F1 cars have been limited in the amount of fuel they can
    use, both in the fuel flow at any given moment in the race but also
    across the race as a whole.

    That still exists, but for this year, the emphasis moves off the
    quantity of fuel used (measured in kilograms per hour) and onto the
    energy density of that fuel (measured in megajoules per hour), with a
    hard limit of 3000MJ/h.

    The maths behind this is complex, but the carrCOs electronic brain will
    do the necessary calculations, based on fuel samples examined and
    certified in advance by an independent body. As has been the case for
    a while, the random fuel samples taken at the track by the scrutineers
    will be examined to ensure the rCyfingerprintrCO of live samples matches
    the reference on file.

    I remember way back when Michael Schumacher at post-race interviews
    credited the win to Shell coming up with a new fuel, more Joules/litre I guess.

    The turbo cars of the 1980s ran on something akin to rocket fuel. I
    believe that it was based on German WWII research into running aero
    engines with a very large amount of boost. I may stand corrected, but I
    don't think that there was any regulation on the fuel content.
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  • From Mark@mpconmy@gmail.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jun 23 07:26:54 2026
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    Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:
    On 22/06/2026 3:50 pm, Woozy Song wrote:

    I remember way back when Michael Schumacher at post-race interviews
    credited the win to Shell coming up with a new fuel, more Joules/litre I
    guess.

    The turbo cars of the 1980s ran on something akin to rocket fuel. I
    believe that it was based on German WWII research into running aero
    engines with a very large amount of boost. I may stand corrected, but I don't think that there was any regulation on the fuel content.

    It was certainly an era with "exotic" fuel mixes, so much so there were
    regular reports of injuries to mechanics and other team members from
    exposure to various concoctions. It was just another variable which they
    have (partially) homologated. It hasn't gone so far as to be a
    completely standardised product, but the rules are quite strict on both sustainability and the chemical content in terms of usable power...but
    there's still wiggle room to play with some of the properties to better
    suit the engine.

    I'm not sure why - others may know - it's worth leaving that last wiggle
    room. Given just how much standardisation there is, why _not_ run a
    standard fuel supply? It removes a relatively(?) small variable in terms
    of performance while providing a substantial reduction in costs, I would
    have thought.

    Answering my own question - it's always when you try to pose the
    question you think of answers - I suspect it's one or both of:

    1. I'm wrong that the performance advantage is small.
    2. Sponsors and suppliers like Petronas, Shell, ExxonMobil, Aramco and b/Castrol want to see their products on show...and (more importantly)
    *not* see their competitor get the contract for the standard.
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  • From Keithr0@nothing.to.see@here.com.au to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jun 23 21:09:01 2026
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    On 23/06/2026 5:26 pm, Mark wrote:
    Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:
    On 22/06/2026 3:50 pm, Woozy Song wrote:

    I remember way back when Michael Schumacher at post-race interviews
    credited the win to Shell coming up with a new fuel, more Joules/litre I >>> guess.

    The turbo cars of the 1980s ran on something akin to rocket fuel. I
    believe that it was based on German WWII research into running aero
    engines with a very large amount of boost. I may stand corrected, but I
    don't think that there was any regulation on the fuel content.

    It was certainly an era with "exotic" fuel mixes, so much so there were regular reports of injuries to mechanics and other team members from
    exposure to various concoctions. It was just another variable which they
    have (partially) homologated. It hasn't gone so far as to be a
    completely standardised product, but the rules are quite strict on both sustainability and the chemical content in terms of usable power...but there's still wiggle room to play with some of the properties to better
    suit the engine.

    I'm not sure why - others may know - it's worth leaving that last wiggle room. Given just how much standardisation there is, why _not_ run a
    standard fuel supply? It removes a relatively(?) small variable in terms
    of performance while providing a substantial reduction in costs, I would
    have thought.

    Answering my own question - it's always when you try to pose the
    question you think of answers - I suspect it's one or both of:

    1. I'm wrong that the performance advantage is small.
    2. Sponsors and suppliers like Petronas, Shell, ExxonMobil, Aramco and b/Castrol want to see their products on show...and (more importantly)
    *not* see their competitor get the contract for the standard.

    They have moved from standardising the fuel, and regulating the amount
    that can be used to regulating the amount of energy available by
    whatever means (within limits).
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