I am sure Newey can develop a fast car with the base they have. But,
when?. Mid season perhaps?. Too late for big things, but perhaps some
podium or victory is still possible.
I keep the faith, but it is hard to take another bad beginning of
season. Let's see what happens this week!. If the 4+ seconds are still >there, AUS will be pretty hard to watch.
Well, as a fan of Alonso since the beginning (so long ago!), I thoughtThe issue doesn't appear to be with the chassis (and aerodynamics that
this could be the year he had again a decent car to fight for the very top... And, so far, Aston Martin is close to the bottom end.
I am sure Newey can develop a fast car with the base they have. But,
when?. Mid season perhaps?. Too late for big things, but perhaps some
podium or victory is still possible.
I keep the faith, but it is hard to take another bad beginning of
season. Let's see what happens this week!. If the 4+ seconds are still there, AUS will be pretty hard to watch.
The issue doesn't appear to be with the chassis (and aerodynamics that
go along with it) that Newey has designed.
Multiple sources are reporting that the Honda powertrain package is >significantly down on power from the electric part of the system.
On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 17:29:49 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
The issue doesn't appear to be with the chassis (and aerodynamics that
go along with it) that Newey has designed.
Multiple sources are reporting that the Honda powertrain package is
significantly down on power from the electric part of the system.
Yes, it seems lacking accoring to many reports. Any hope that Honda
will step and recover the peformance of the electrical part of their powertrain, or will it likely be next season for any major
improvements?
On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 17:29:49 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
The issue doesn't appear to be with the chassis (and aerodynamics that
go along with it) that Newey has designed.
Multiple sources are reporting that the Honda powertrain package is
significantly down on power from the electric part of the system.
Yes, it seems lacking accoring to many reports. Any hope that Honda
will step and recover the peformance of the electrical part of their powertrain, or will it likely be next season for any major
improvements?
At tracks that traditionally have high power demands this new formula will struggle. The only way
it can deliver times remotely close to previously is on tracks where there would traditionally be a
lot of time not on throttle. Then the ICE's power can be delivered to the battery for a significant
part of the lap and deployed by the MGU when needed.
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
At tracks that traditionally have high power demands this new formula will struggle. The only way
it can deliver times remotely close to previously is on tracks where there would traditionally be a
lot of time not on throttle. Then the ICE's power can be delivered to the battery for a significant
part of the lap and deployed by the MGU when needed.
I think this is where F1 does shine, even if there are some stumbles
along the way. Remember when they reduced both total fuel allowed and
fuel flow and everyone predicted a massive drop in performance? The
teams stepped up and just made everything more efficient (and a few
dubious "interpretations" of the rules that needed clarifying).
I have no doubt that the high speed tracks are going to be an issue, but
I also have faith that teams will find clever solutions to them.
I expect this season to be patchy. There will be at least one team with
a clear advantage because they've adapted to the new regulations better
than the rest leaving the field behind. There might even be utter
domination from one team and their best driver...but that's what happens
when you have major changes. A shake up was due and I expect next season
will be even more interesting.
Expect the Ferrari powered cars to win all of the starts making qualifying less important. Their
smaller lighter turbos will gain them track position.
Even with the extra 5 seconds added into the start procedure I worry that some drivers (with more
massive turbos) will still get the start procedure wrong and that it could potentially be very
dangerous as the other drivers have so much more to concentrate on. Anti-stall could become
treacherous unless it's changed from it's current 'engage clutch' form. Ideally it should become a
'kick in electric power' safety feature but then everyone would use it. (Currently electric power
can't be used under 50(?) kmh... I believe.)
On 26/02/2026 12:11 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
<snip>
<https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/why-2026- f1-race-starts-are-a-problem-waiting-to-happen/>
I think that since that was written they have added 5 seconds to the
start procedure and increased the 'superclipping' limit.
On 2026-02-26 00:47, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 26/02/2026 12:11 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
<snip>
<https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/why-2026- f1-race-starts-are-a-
problem-waiting-to-happen/>
I think that since that was written they have added 5 seconds to the start procedure and
increased the 'superclipping' limit.
Great article with a summary over the potentual consequences from the new technical regulation, and
in particularly the loss of the MGU-H. Thanks! Efai
On 25/02/2026 12:03 am, Martin O Tx wrote:Well it seems my guess was wrong.
On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 17:29:49 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
The issue doesn't appear to be with the chassis (and aerodynamics that
go along with it) that Newey has designed.
Multiple sources are reporting that the Honda powertrain package is
significantly down on power from the electric part of the system.
Yes, it seems lacking accoring to many reports. Any hope that Honda
will step and recover the peformance of the electrical part of their
powertrain, or will it likely be next season for any major
improvements?
I doubt that it's a hardware issue as Honda are not new to EVs (or F1 for that matter) and should
be capable of building an MGU and battery that meets the specs. I'm inclined to think that it's a
software issue that can be solved within a few races at the outside.
tldw is the battery pack is rigidly mounted to the ICE this year and is being damaged by vibrations.
On 26/02/2026 12:34 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 25/02/2026 12:03 am, Martin O Tx wrote:Well it seems my guess was wrong.
On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 17:29:49 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
The issue doesn't appear to be with the chassis (and aerodynamics that >>>> go along with it) that Newey has designed.
Multiple sources are reporting that the Honda powertrain package is
significantly down on power from the electric part of the system.
Yes, it seems lacking accoring to many reports. Any hope that Honda
will step and recover the peformance of the electrical part of their
powertrain, or will it likely be next season for any major
improvements?
I doubt that it's a hardware issue as Honda are not new to EVs (or F1
for that matter) and should be capable of building an MGU and battery
that meets the specs. I'm inclined to think that it's a software issue
that can be solved within a few races at the outside.
The HONDA Problem EXPLAINED (Aston Martin F1)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylHheLNqGOo>
tldw is the battery pack is rigidly mounted to the ICE this year and is being damaged by vibrations.
On 27/02/2026 12:23 am, Martin O Tx wrote:
On 2026-02-26 00:47, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 26/02/2026 12:11 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
<snip>
<https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/
why-2026- f1-race-starts-are-a- problem-waiting-to-happen/>
I think that since that was written they have added 5 seconds to the
start procedure and increased the 'superclipping' limit.
Great article with a summary over the potentual consequences from the
new technical regulation, and in particularly the loss of the MGU-H.
Thanks! Efai
You're welcome. I bemoaned the loss of the MGU-H at every opportunity I
had since I heard it was going. I think it was the single biggest leap forward for a turbo hybrid vehicle in the last decades and massively increased ICE efficiency (as well as drivability).
F1 originally decided to drop it as potential new manufacturers (specifically Audi and Porsche at the time) said it was too complex and expensive. They also claimed that they could never compete with current
PU manufacturers as they'd had years to perfect the design. So, as an incentive to encourage them to enter F1 they agreed to delete the MGU-H.
Of course now they've re-written history and claim it's too expensive
for all teams and has little road relevance. It's true that few road
cars have an MGU-H as it's one of those 'last 10% of power' things and
isn't cost effective for most road cars.
If memory serves (and increasingly it doesn't) it was originally Porsche
who were considering entering F1 who said they wouldn't as long as the
MGU-H existed in the sport. F1 then announced they'd drop it from the
next formula to entice Porsche to join. (Because of that I'll never buy
a Porsche <cough>.) In the end Porsche declined to join F1. The irony is that now the Porsche 992.2 Carrera GTS has an MGU-H!
On 3/1/2026 5:48 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
tldw is the battery pack is rigidly mounted to the ICE this year and is being damaged by vibrations.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston-martin-plans-early-australian-gp-retirements-amid-honda-f1-
crisis/10801586/
Satisfy the 107% rule, race a few laps (to avoid breaching the Concorde), then retire.
On 3/1/2026 5:48 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
tldw is the battery pack is rigidly mounted to the ICE this year and
is being damaged by vibrations.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston-martin-plans-early-australian- gp-retirements-amid-honda-f1-crisis/10801586/
Satisfy the 107% rule, race a few laps (to avoid breaching the
Concorde), then retire.
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