• Re: **2025 Pool** Race 23, Qatari GP - Final Results

    From Martin Harran@martinharran@gmail.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 2 18:43:48 2025
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    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    [...]

    If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

    I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
    your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
    be to cover it.
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  • From Mark Jackson@mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 2 15:43:53 2025
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    On 12/2/2025 1:43 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    [...]

    If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

    I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
    your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
    be to cover it.

    Stella:

    "We didn't expect everyone else to pit. Obviously if everyone else
    behind you pits, then it makes pitting definitely the right thing to do."

    Having left Piastri out they presumably could have decided to have
    Norris follow Verstappen into the pits. Perhaps there wasn't time to reconsider?

    Note also that had there been a second safety car at any time except lap
    32 they would have looked brilliant.
    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Every human society must justify its inequalities.
    - Thomas Piketty
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 2 13:53:31 2025
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    On 2025-12-02 10:43, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    [...]

    If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

    I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
    your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
    be to cover it.

    But it doesn't work that way.

    Because they were in the lead, McLaren had to make their choice about
    what to do behind the safety care BEFORE they could see what Verstappen
    was going to do.

    And because everyone else behind Verstappen then pitted, he got to keep
    really good track position.

    If the McLarens had then pitted on the subsequent lap, they would have
    come out somewhere around 5 seconds ahead of where the only other car
    not to pit at the first opportunity did.

    That would be Ocon, whose stop was 5 seconds longer than normal for a
    penalty.

    Even accounting for that difference, pitting on the second lap behind
    the safety would have put both McLarens pretty close to dead last
    (except for Ocon of course).

    No: once they decided not to pit on the first opportunity, pitting
    behind the safety car was no longer an option; not at a track where
    passing is as difficult as it was during this event.

    The mistake was not having it in the game plan that if you got a safety
    car after 7 laps were completed...

    (i.e. When stopping with a 25 lap imposed maximum stint length would no
    longer force you into a mandatory third stop)

    ...you would always pit.

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  • From ~misfit~@shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 3 12:10:11 2025
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    On 3/12/2025 9:43 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/2/2025 1:43 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    [...]

    If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

    I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
    your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
    be to cover it.

    Stella:

    "We didn't expect everyone else to pit. Obviously if everyone else behind you pits, then it makes
    pitting definitely the right thing to do."

    Having left Piastri out they presumably could have decided to have Norris follow Verstappen into
    the pits.-a Perhaps there wasn't time to reconsider?

    Can you imagine the outrage in Aus of they'd done that?

    Note also that had there been a second safety car at any time except lap 32 they would have looked
    brilliant.

    Yep. Like most F1 strategy there was an element of gambling. Unfortunately for McLaren it didn't
    pay out this time.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 2 13:54:54 2025
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    On 2025-12-02 12:43, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/2/2025 1:43 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    [...]

    If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

    I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
    your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
    be to cover it.

    Stella:

    "We didn't expect everyone else to pit. Obviously if everyone else
    behind you pits, then it makes pitting definitely the right thing to do."

    Having left Piastri out they presumably could have decided to have
    Norris follow Verstappen into the pits.-a Perhaps there wasn't time to reconsider?

    They should have had this all pre-determined before the race.


    Note also that had there been a second safety car at any time except lap
    32 they would have looked brilliant.
    Correct.
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