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Hmmm...one race to go and the championship - and pool - are very close
at the front...

The top 5 are currently:

1 Hornplayer9599 274
2 Phil Carmody 272
3 durian 270
3 Mark Jackson 270
5 Alan Baker 262

The people who scored points are:

8 Eric 18
10 a425couple 14
6 JohnM 14
16 mairsz 14
18 Martin Harran 14
2 Phil Carmody 14
5 Alan Baker 10
21 Ar 10
23 Carl Keehn 10
8 ceg 10
24 D Munz 10
10 Darryl Johnson 10
3 durian 10
14 EB5AGV 10
1 Hornplayer9599 10
6 Hugh 10
19 Mark 10
3 Mark Jackson 10
12 scole 10
12 Sir Tim 10
17 Sreekumar A 10
22 User8270 10
15 Yazoo 10
20 Shaun 8

Let me know about the inevitable mistakes!
;-)

Mark

The overall table looks like:

1 Mark 10 12 10 6 18 10 14 6 10 4
8 18 18 8 12 12 2 12 8 12
8 8 10 236
2 a425couple 16 12 10 8 6 18 12 8 20 4
12 12 18 18 12 10 4 8 10 12
4 4 14 252
3 Martin Harran 14 12 6 6 10 14 12 4 10 4
6 18 20 12 14 12 12 12 14 6
4 2 14 238
4 Darryl Johnson 10 8 10 6 18 14 16 8 14 6
12 8 12 10 12 20 12 6 12 12
4 12 10 252
5 Geoff 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0
6 Eric 8 18 10 10 16 12 10 4 14 8
10 18 24 18 6 10 4 8 12 6
4 6 18 254
7 Yazoo 12 20 10 12 6 18 10 6 20 4
4 12 18 12 14 12 2 8 10 12
12 2 10 246
8 User8270 10 4 10 6 14 12 10 4 10 8
10 6 14 12 10 4 4 6 12 2
2 18 10 198
9 Carl Keehn 6 8 10 0 6 12 12 6 20 0
14 6 20 18 14 10 0 6 2 8
- 8 10 196
10 Sir Tim 16 12 10 8 10 18 12 8 12 0
6 18 26 12 16 10 10 6 10 8
8 4 10 250
11 scole 12 12 10 4 16 16 10 6 20 4
6 18 18 18 12 12 0 4 4 14
10 14 10 250
12 Hornplayer9599 10 8 8 18 10 20 18 6 20 4
8 18 18 8 10 12 6 12 10 16
18 6 10 274
13 Ar 6 10 6 6 14 18 12 14 14 6
16 6 10 10 8 18 0 4 12 8
8 4 10 220
14 Hugh 12 6 10 12 10 18 14 6 12 2
6 18 18 18 14 12 2 10 6 8
8 24 10 256
15 D Munz 10 14 6 12 4 12 6 6 4 8
8 6 2 12 12 6 2 0 12 2
0 10 10 164
16 Shaun 0 0 10 12 6 18 10 16 12 2
20 18 14 24 6 10 4 4 6 12
12 6 8 230
17 Mark Jackson 18 12 10 12 10 24 10 8 18 2
8 12 18 12 12 10 12 6 8 8
12 18 10 270
18 JohnM 16 12 10 8 10 18 12 8 20 4
8 18 18 12 14 12 2 8 10 4
8 10 14 256
19 Phil Carmody 14 12 10 6 6 18 12 6 16 2
10 18 24 12 12 12 6 10 14 8
16 14 14 272
20 mairsz 12 12 10 16 6 18 12 6 18 2
6 18 6 12 16 12 2 10 8 2
18 8 14 244
21 Sreekumar A 12 8 12 4 10 16 14 6 12 2
6 18 20 18 14 10 2 6 10 8
16 8 10 242
22 EB5AGV 20 12 10 4 10 14 14 6 12 2
6 18 14 24 10 10 2 14 8 8
16 4 10 248
23 durian 20 8 10 8 10 18 12 8 20 4
6 18 18 12 14 10 8 8 20 8
8 12 10 270
24 Alan Baker 10 20 10 4 6 18 12 10 20 2
20 18 10 18 10 12 0 4 12 16
8 12 10 262
25 ceg 14 8 10 8 10 12 14 16 12 4
10 18 10 14 12 12 2 10 20 8
16 4 10 254

Ordered by points:

1 Hornplayer9599 10 8 8 18 10 20 18 6 20 4
8 18 18 8 10 12 6 12 10 16
18 6 10 274
2 Phil Carmody 14 12 10 6 6 18 12 6 16 2
10 18 24 12 12 12 6 10 14 8
16 14 14 272
3 durian 20 8 10 8 10 18 12 8 20 4
6 18 18 12 14 10 8 8 20 8
8 12 10 270
3 Mark Jackson 18 12 10 12 10 24 10 8 18 2
8 12 18 12 12 10 12 6 8 8
12 18 10 270
5 Alan Baker 10 20 10 4 6 18 12 10 20 2
20 18 10 18 10 12 0 4 12 16
8 12 10 262
6 Hugh 12 6 10 12 10 18 14 6 12 2
6 18 18 18 14 12 2 10 6 8
8 24 10 256
6 JohnM 16 12 10 8 10 18 12 8 20 4
8 18 18 12 14 12 2 8 10 4
8 10 14 256
8 ceg 14 8 10 8 10 12 14 16 12 4
10 18 10 14 12 12 2 10 20 8
16 4 10 254
8 Eric 8 18 10 10 16 12 10 4 14 8
10 18 24 18 6 10 4 8 12 6
4 6 18 254
10 a425couple 16 12 10 8 6 18 12 8 20 4
12 12 18 18 12 10 4 8 10 12
4 4 14 252
10 Darryl Johnson 10 8 10 6 18 14 16 8 14 6
12 8 12 10 12 20 12 6 12 12
4 12 10 252
12 scole 12 12 10 4 16 16 10 6 20 4
6 18 18 18 12 12 0 4 4 14
10 14 10 250
12 Sir Tim 16 12 10 8 10 18 12 8 12 0
6 18 26 12 16 10 10 6 10 8
8 4 10 250
14 EB5AGV 20 12 10 4 10 14 14 6 12 2
6 18 14 24 10 10 2 14 8 8
16 4 10 248
15 Yazoo 12 20 10 12 6 18 10 6 20 4
4 12 18 12 14 12 2 8 10 12
12 2 10 246
16 mairsz 12 12 10 16 6 18 12 6 18 2
6 18 6 12 16 12 2 10 8 2
18 8 14 244
17 Sreekumar A 12 8 12 4 10 16 14 6 12 2
6 18 20 18 14 10 2 6 10 8
16 8 10 242
18 Martin Harran 14 12 6 6 10 14 12 4 10 4
6 18 20 12 14 12 12 12 14 6
4 2 14 238
19 Mark 10 12 10 6 18 10 14 6 10 4
8 18 18 8 12 12 2 12 8 12
8 8 10 236
20 Shaun 0 0 10 12 6 18 10 16 12 2
20 18 14 24 6 10 4 4 6 12
12 6 8 230
21 Ar 6 10 6 6 14 18 12 14 14 6
16 6 10 10 8 18 0 4 12 8
8 4 10 220
22 User8270 10 4 10 6 14 12 10 4 10 8
10 6 14 12 10 4 4 6 12 2
2 18 10 198
23 Carl Keehn 6 8 10 0 6 12 12 6 20 0
14 6 20 18 14 10 0 6 2 8
- 8 10 196
24 D Munz 10 14 6 12 4 12 6 6 4 8
8 6 2 12 12 6 2 0 12 2
0 10 10 164
25 Geoff 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0

DUPLICATOR RANKER1 RANKER2 RESULTS
1. BAH HAM VER HAM NOR
HAM VER LEC HAM RIC VET HAM RIC VET NOR VER RUS
8 8 15/20 0 0 18/20 0 0 18/20
2. EMI NOR VER VER PIA
NOR VER RUS VER STR HUL VER STR HUL PIA NOR RUS
12 20 17/20 0 0 19/20 0 0 19/20
3. POR PIA VER VER VER
PIA NOR RUS VER OCO STR VER OCO STR VER NOR PIA
10 30 17/20 2 2 19/20 2 2 19/20
4. SPA VER VER VER PIA
VER NOR PIA VER OCO STR VER OCO STR PIA RUS NOR
6 36 18/20 0 2 19/20 0 2 19/20
5. MON PIA VER VER VER
PIA RUS NOR VER HAM OCO VER HAM OCO PIA VER LEC
10 46 17/20 8 10 19/20 8 10 19/20
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From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

On 2025-12-01 2:19am, Mark wrote:

Hmmm...one race to go and the championship - and pool - are very close
at the front...

The top 5 are currently:

1 Hornplayer9599 274
2 Phil Carmody 272
3 durian 270
3 Mark Jackson 270
5 Alan Baker 262

The people who scored points are:

8 Eric 18
10 a425couple 14
6 JohnM 14
16 mairsz 14
18 Martin Harran 14
2 Phil Carmody 14
5 Alan Baker 10
21 Ar 10
23 Carl Keehn 10
8 ceg 10
24 D Munz 10
10 Darryl Johnson 10
3 durian 10
14 EB5AGV 10
1 Hornplayer9599 10
6 Hugh 10
19 Mark 10
3 Mark Jackson 10
12 scole 10
12 Sir Tim 10
17 Sreekumar A 10
22 User8270 10
15 Yazoo 10
20 Shaun 8

Finally, I got lucky with some picks again!
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From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

On 2025-12-01 01:19, Mark wrote:

Hmmm...one race to go and the championship - and pool - are very close
at the front...

The top 5 are currently:

1 Hornplayer9599 274
2 Phil Carmody 272
3 durian 270
3 Mark Jackson 270
5 Alan Baker 262

The people who scored points are:

8 Eric 18
10 a425couple 14
6 JohnM 14
16 mairsz 14
18 Martin Harran 14
2 Phil Carmody 14
5 Alan Baker 10

If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

[...]

If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
be to cover it.
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On 12/2/2025 1:43 PM, Martin Harran wrote:

On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

[...]

If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
be to cover it.

Stella:

"We didn't expect everyone else to pit. Obviously if everyone else
behind you pits, then it makes pitting definitely the right thing to do."

Having left Piastri out they presumably could have decided to have
Norris follow Verstappen into the pits. Perhaps there wasn't time to reconsider?

Note also that had there been a second safety car at any time except lap
32 they would have looked brilliant.
--
Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
Every human society must justify its inequalities.
- Thomas Piketty
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On 2025-12-02 10:43, Martin Harran wrote:

On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

[...]

If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
be to cover it.

But it doesn't work that way.

Because they were in the lead, McLaren had to make their choice about
what to do behind the safety care BEFORE they could see what Verstappen
was going to do.

And because everyone else behind Verstappen then pitted, he got to keep
really good track position.

If the McLarens had then pitted on the subsequent lap, they would have
come out somewhere around 5 seconds ahead of where the only other car
not to pit at the first opportunity did.

That would be Ocon, whose stop was 5 seconds longer than normal for a
penalty.

Even accounting for that difference, pitting on the second lap behind
the safety would have put both McLarens pretty close to dead last
(except for Ocon of course).

No: once they decided not to pit on the first opportunity, pitting
behind the safety car was no longer an option; not at a track where
passing is as difficult as it was during this event.

The mistake was not having it in the game plan that if you got a safety
car after 7 laps were completed...

(i.e. When stopping with a 25 lap imposed maximum stint length would no
longer force you into a mandatory third stop)

...you would always pit.

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From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

On 3/12/2025 9:43 am, Mark Jackson wrote:

On 12/2/2025 1:43 PM, Martin Harran wrote:

On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 19:18:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

[...]

If McLaren hadn't screwed up on strategy...

I struggle to understand how they did that. If you're in the lead and
your main threat does something different, surely the reaction should
be to cover it.

Stella:

"We didn't expect everyone else to pit. Obviously if everyone else behind you pits, then it makes
pitting definitely the right thing to do."

Having left Piastri out they presumably could have decided to have Norris follow Verstappen into
the pits.-a Perhaps there wasn't time to reconsider?

Can you imagine the outrage in Aus of they'd done that?

Note also that had there been a second safety car at any time except lap 32 they would have looked
brilliant.

Yep. Like most F1 strategy there was an element of gambling. Unfortunately for McLaren it didn't
pay out this time.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville.
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