Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000 removal mark >for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats and is >being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the >Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and >enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's doing the >same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded for it >under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump.
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000 removal mark for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats and is being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's doing the same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded for it under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump.
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000 removal mark >>for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats and is >>being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the >>Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and >>enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's doing the >>same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded for it >>under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump.
Wait, hypocrisy?
You don't think CBP and ICE have ramped up unconstitutional policing
tactics under Trump and are clearly committing crimes that had not
occurred under Obama in such high numbers? Was even a single American
killed under Obama?
Undocumented migrants died during the Obama administration's enforcement operations, both inside ICE detention facilities and after being sent
back to dangerous home nations. Human rights organizations and
government watchdogs documented between 56 and 67 deaths inside ICE
custody from 2009 to 2017. Investigations by groups like the American Civil Liberties
Union and Human Rights Watch linked multiple custody deaths to substandard medical care, delayed emergency responses, and administrative neglect
within the immigration detention system. Outside of custody, the administration's emphasis on expedited removals and border crackdowns
led to the return of thousands of Central American asylum seekers to volatile regions. Human Rights Watch documented at least 83 instances where Central American deportees were murdered shortly after their forced return to El
Salvador, Guatemala, or Honduras. No official records or major investigations indicate that U.S. citizens were killed during these operations.
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
You don't think CBP and ICE have ramped up unconstitutional policing >>tactics under Trump and are clearly committing crimes that had not
occurred under Obama in such high numbers? Was even a single American >>killed under Obama?
Why does it matter if anyone killed is American or not? That's "racist"
and suggests that non-Americans are clearly killable.
That said, the only people who have been killed--and it's only 3, >right?--were direct action responses to administrative removals. So, >basically, putting one's American Citizen body between the agent and the >target.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and federal officials argue that >organized "direct action" groups directly escalate the potential for
lethal force. They maintain that when activists assemble to block federal >buildings or surround immigration sweeps, it transforms routine
enforcement into highly volatile physical confrontations.
Also, with regards to Obama, sorry mate:
Same shit. It's just that Obama is a cartoon face and Trump is a cartoon >heel.
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000 removal mark for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats and is being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's doing the same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded for it under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump.
Stop ICE
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RYA0SYKA2nI
Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
You don't think CBP and ICE have ramped up unconstitutional policing
tactics under Trump and are clearly committing crimes that had not
occurred under Obama in such high numbers? Was even a single American
killed under Obama?
Why does it matter if anyone killed is American or not? That's "racist"
and suggests that non-Americans are clearly killable.
In an encounter with police, it matters if someone gets killed if police
have made insufficient effort to de-escalate. I mentioned the Americans, forgetting the guy in Maine, as Trump ramping up unconstitutional
tactics.
That said, the only people who have been killed--and it's only 3,
right?--were direct action responses to administrative removals. So,
basically, putting one's American Citizen body between the agent and the
target.
I don't believe that applies to the three who were killed. The Broadview
8 were interferring, at least some were.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and federal officials argue that >> organized "direct action" groups directly escalate the potential for
lethal force. They maintain that when activists assemble to block federal >> buildings or surround immigration sweeps, it transforms routine
enforcement into highly volatile physical confrontations.
It makes a violent response more likely but doesn't create an exception
in law. Also, DHS -- CPB especially -- has been sent into urban
environments requiring different policing tactics for which they've had
zero training. It's a recipe for failure. This is new to Trump's second administration.
On Sep 29, 2026 at 9:37:51 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
You don't think CBP and ICE have ramped up unconstitutional policing
tactics under Trump and are clearly committing crimes that had not
occurred under Obama in such high numbers? Was even a single American
killed under Obama?
Why does it matter if anyone killed is American or not? That's "racist" >>> and suggests that non-Americans are clearly killable.
In an encounter with police, it matters if someone gets killed if police
have made insufficient effort to de-escalate. I mentioned the Americans,
forgetting the guy in Maine, as Trump ramping up unconstitutional
tactics.
That said, the only people who have been killed--and it's only 3,
right?--were direct action responses to administrative removals. So,
basically, putting one's American Citizen body between the agent and the >>> target.
I don't believe that applies to the three who were killed. The Broadview
8 were interferring, at least some were.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and federal officials argue that >>> organized "direct action" groups directly escalate the potential for
lethal force. They maintain that when activists assemble to block federal >>> buildings or surround immigration sweeps, it transforms routine
enforcement into highly volatile physical confrontations.
It makes a violent response more likely but doesn't create an exception
in law. Also, DHS -- CPB especially -- has been sent into urban
environments requiring different policing tactics for which they've had
zero training. It's a recipe for failure. This is new to Trump's second
administration.
I didn't realize we're supposed to get separate special training for "urban" >(which is leftist code for "black") people. When I went through the academy, >the training we got was to be applied universally for all people.
In an encounter with police, it matters if someone gets killed if police
have made insufficient effort to de-escalate. I mentioned the Americans, forgetting the guy in Maine, as Trump ramping up unconstitutional
tactics.
In military and ICE operations, "bag and tag" means securing a detainee
and their property. In tactical military capture, troops follow the
"5Ss and a T" protocol (Search, Silence, Segregate, Safeguard, Speed, Tag)
to disarm targets, document grid coordinates, and move prisoners to the rear.
In ICE operations, it refers to civilian property processing. Agents put personal gear in tamper-resistant bags and inventory it using Form I-77, while keeping vital IDs separate for removal processing.
I didn't realize we're supposed to get separate special training for "urban" (which is leftist code for "black") people. When I went through the academy, the training we got was to be applied universally for all people.
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, BTR1701 wrote:
I didn't realize we're supposed to get separate special training for "urban"
(which is leftist code for "black") people. When I went through the academy,
the training we got was to be applied universally for all people.
When Marines are trained to fight in urban settings it doesn't refer to Black folk, it refers to close quarters combat (CQC) and close quarters battle (CQB) and that very issues that are not important in more suburban and rural areas. Like getting boxed in and line of site and proximity and cars and etc. Sigh.
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
In an encounter with police, it matters if someone gets killed if police
have made insufficient effort to de-escalate. I mentioned the Americans,
forgetting the guy in Maine, as Trump ramping up unconstitutional
tactics.
I don't think I have ever made this argument hit home but the reason, to
me, that Renee's wife said "why did you use real bullets?" is because all
of these protestors believe that non-cops, not ERT-trained, ICE agents
even remotely care about de-escalation. They're not polce, they're not
cops. Their job is not maintaining the peace. They have the ability to bag and tag a protestor but they don't have arresting authority.
They're trained to be kidnappers, bag and taggers. Trained more militarily than in
anything close to Police Academy.
On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000
removal mark
for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats
and is
being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the
Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and
enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's
doing the
same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded
for it
under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump.
Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
-a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a bag containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as business executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that Homan was
accepting bribes from border security companies in exchange for the
promise of government contracts if Trump won the 2024 election."
-a-a -Wiki
On 2026-09-29 12:58 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000
removal mark
for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats
and is
being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the
Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and >>> enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's
doing the
same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded
for it
under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump.
Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
-a-a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a bag
containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as
business executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that Homan
was accepting bribes from border security companies in exchange for
the promise of government contracts if Trump won the 2024 election."
-a-a-a -Wiki
An unnamed source making an unproven allegation: is that the best you
can do? That's hardly compelling to anyone other than someone who wants
it to be true.
On 2026-09-29 12:58 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
removal mark
for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats
and is
being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the >>> Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and >>> enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's
doing the
same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded
for it
under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump. >>
-a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a bag
containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as business >> executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that Homan was
accepting bribes from border security companies in exchange for the
promise of government contracts if Trump won the 2024 election."
-a-a -Wiki
An unnamed source making an unproven allegation: is that the best you
can do? That's hardly compelling to anyone other than someone who wants
it to be true.
On 9/29/2026 3:30 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2026-09-29 12:58 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000
removal mark
for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats
and is
being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the >>>> Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job
and
enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's
doing the
same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded
for it
under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under
Trump.
Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
-a-a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a bag >>> containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as
business executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that Homan
was accepting bribes from border security companies in exchange for
the promise of government contracts if Trump won the 2024 election."
-a-a-a -Wiki
An unnamed source making an unproven allegation: is that the best you
can do? That's hardly compelling to anyone other than someone who
wants it to be true.
NYTimes:-a Homan did not directly address whether he accepted a bag of
cash but said: rCLI did nothing criminal. I did nothing illegal.rCY
Make of that what you will (...or must).-a My point was simply that the treatment Homan's currently getting may not be about his "same job".
On Sep 29, 2026 at 12:30:35 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2026-09-29 12:58 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
removal mark
for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats >>>> and is
being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the >>>> Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and >>>> enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's
doing the
same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded >>>> for it
under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump. >>>
-a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a bag >>> containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as business >>> executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that Homan was
accepting bribes from border security companies in exchange for the
promise of government contracts if Trump won the 2024 election."
-a-a -Wiki
An unnamed source making an unproven allegation: is that the best you
can do? That's hardly compelling to anyone other than someone who wants
it to be true.
And it's not what he's being threatened with prosecution over, anyway. So it's
irrelevant to the original point.
None of which is relevant to middle-aged suburban white women trying to get in
the way of cops arresting illegals.
ICE agents are police every bit as much as FBI agents, Secret Service agents, DEA agents, ATF agents, etc. are. They're GS-1811 special agents and are commissioned under and exercise federal law enforcement authority. They're every bit as much police as the local police are. They just enforce a different set of laws. And they absolutely *do* have arrest authority. If you impede their operations or assault them, they can arrest you for violating about a half-dozen federal laws.
ICE agents are police every bit as much as FBI agents, Secret Service agents, DEA agents, ATF agents, etc. are. They're GS-1811 special agents and are commissioned under and exercise federal law enforcement authority. They're every bit as much police as the local police are. They just enforce a different set of laws. And they absolutely *do* have arrest authority. If you impede their operations or assault them, they can arrest you for violating about a half-dozen federal laws.
On Sep 29, 2026 at 12:30:35 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2026-09-29 12:58 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
removal mark
for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats >>>> and is
being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if the >>>> Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his job and >>>> enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's
doing the
same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded >>>> for it
under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under Trump. >>>
-a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a bag >>> containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as business >>> executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that Homan was
accepting bribes from border security companies in exchange for the
promise of government contracts if Trump won the 2024 election."
-a-a -Wiki
An unnamed source making an unproven allegation: is that the best you
can do? That's hardly compelling to anyone other than someone who wants
it to be true.
And it's not what he's being threatened with prosecution over, anyway. So it's
irrelevant to the original point.
On 2026-09-29 6:14 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
On Sep 29, 2026 at 12:30:35 PM PDT, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:
On 2026-09-29 12:58 p.m., moviePig wrote:
-a On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
-a Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000-a Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
-a removal mark
-a for illegal aliens.
-a Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by Democrats >>>>> -a and is
-a being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment >>>>> if the
-a Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his >>>>> job and
-a enforcing the laws of the United States.
-a The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's >>>>> -a doing the
-a same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and rewarded >>>>> -a for it
-a under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under >>>>> Trump.
-a-a -a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a bag
-a containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as
business
-a executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that Homan was
-a accepting bribes from border security companies in exchange for the >>>> -a promise of government contracts if Trump won the 2024 election."
-a-a -a-a -Wiki
An unnamed source making an unproven allegation: is that the best you
can do? That's hardly compelling to anyone other than someone who wants
it to be true.
And it's not what he's being threatened with prosecution over, anyway.
So it's
irrelevant to the original point.
moviePig doesn't care about THAT, he's merely desperate to score a
point, however weak. It offends his pride as a "progressive" that neanderthals like us challenge his bullshit so he has to fight back.
When ICE arrests a protester, it's basically a citizen's arrest with a >badge. The arrest has nothing to do with their mission. They grab you >because you're in the way, then hand you to someone whose job is criminal >cases. An FBI agent arrests the guy he spent months building a case
against. An ERO officer arrests whoever is standing between him and the
van.
This page says you are wrong. It's unconstitutional to arrest in
violation of the First and Fourth Amendments, but a protestor may be
arrested for bad conduct, not speech/press. Assault and battery of a
federal officer, federal property damage, obstruction of law
enforcement. This requires probable cause.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/understanding-the-legal-limits-on-ice-detentions-arrests-force-and-your-rights.html
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
This page says you are wrong. It's unconstitutional to arrest in
violation of the First and Fourth Amendments, but a protestor may be >>arrested for bad conduct, not speech/press. Assault and battery of a >>federal officer, federal property damage, obstruction of law
enforcement. This requires probable cause.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/understanding-the-legal-limits-on-ice-detentions-arrests-force-and-your-rights.html
Read your own link. Nolo says ICE agents have "limited authority to arrest >people for non-immigration offenses,"
and it sorts their arrests into two
separate sections. The first is the administrative arrest for civil >immigration violations, on a warrant signed by an immigration official >instead of a judge. That's ICE's daily business.
The second is the narrow
power to arrest protesters for federal crimes: assault, property damage, >obstruction. That's the exception.
"When ICE arrests a protester" is where my post started, so nobody here is >arguing they lack the authority.
My point is what the arrest is for. The
administrative arrest is the mission. It ends in a detention center, an >immigration court, and a plane. The protester arrest is an interruption. >They make it because you're in the way, then hand you to a prosecutor who >decides whether you're worth charging. An FBI agent's arrest is the payoff >of his job. An ERO officer's arrest of a protester gets in the way of his.
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, BTR1701 wrote:
ICE agents are police every bit as much as FBI agents, Secret Service
agents,
DEA agents, ATF agents, etc. are. They're GS-1811 special agents and are
commissioned under and exercise federal law enforcement authority. They're >> every bit as much police as the local police are. They just enforce a
different set of laws. And they absolutely *do* have arrest authority. If >> you
impede their operations or assault them, they can arrest you for violating >> about a half-dozen federal laws.
Not cops. Not arresting officers. Law enforcement, yes. Not like FBI. Not like Secret Service. Not like ATF. Law enforcement.
They are not pursuing criminals, they are doing administrative removal.
If you ipede their operation, they can capture and detain you. They cannot put you under arrest.
They will not read you your rights.
You will not be seeing a judge or go to jail unless they can be pass off to the local
actual police.
Do your homework.
Now you are gaslighting. It has nothing to do with arresting an
American.
The stupid burns with this one.
On 2026-09-29 4:11 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 9/29/2026 3:30 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2026-09-29 12:58 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 9/28/2026 10:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Obama's director of ICE received a medal when he hit the 900,000
removal mark
for illegal aliens.
Trump's Border Czar, who oversees ICE, is called a Nazi by
Democrats and is
being threatened with impeachment, prosecution, and imprisonment if >>>>> the
Democrats take Congress, for no other reason than he's doing his
job and
enforcing the laws of the United States.
The kicker... they're the same person in each case: Tom Homan. He's >>>>> doing the
same job for Trump that he did for Obama. He was lauded and
rewarded for it
under Obama and is being threatened with prison time for it under
Trump.
Well, maybe not *quite* the same:
-a-a-a "In September 2024, Homan was reportedly recorded accepting a
bag containing $50,000 in cash from undercover FBI agents posing as
business executives. The FBI was investigating allegations that
Homan was accepting bribes from border security companies in
exchange for the promise of government contracts if Trump won the
2024 election."
-a-a-a -Wiki
An unnamed source making an unproven allegation: is that the best you
can do? That's hardly compelling to anyone other than someone who
wants it to be true.
NYTimes:-a Homan did not directly address whether he accepted a bag of
cash but said: rCLI did nothing criminal. I did nothing illegal.rCY
Make of that what you will (...or must).-a My point was simply that the
treatment Homan's currently getting may not be about his "same job".
I *know* what you're making of it. No "benefit of the doubt" for the
likes of one of Trump's hires is there? Even though he came out of retirement to take the job for BOTH Obama and Trump.
On Tue, 29 Sep 2026, BTR1701 wrote:
ICE agents are police every bit as much as FBI agents, Secret Service
agents,
DEA agents, ATF agents, etc. are. They're GS-1811 special agents and are
commissioned under and exercise federal law enforcement authority. They're >> every bit as much police as the local police are. They just enforce a
different set of laws. And they absolutely *do* have arrest authority. If >> you
impede their operations or assault them, they can arrest you for violating >> about a half-dozen federal laws.
When ICE arrests a protester, it's basically a citizen's arrest with a badge. The arrest has nothing to do with their mission. They grab you because you're in the way, then hand you to someone whose job is criminal cases. An FBI agent arrests the guy he spent months building a case
against. An ERO officer arrests whoever is standing between him and the
van.
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