You are quoting Terry. If it's a traffic stoo, the driver must show his driver's license. Under other circumstances, stating one's name without showing a drivee's license is sufficient.
On Sep 16, 2026 at 6:53:13 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2026-09-14 9:29 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Based on the videos I've seen, there are a LOT of people who drive
around without IDs (or licences or insurance) in your country. It's
clear that in some cases this is strategic: the person has a warrant >>>> that will pop up when the officer runs them on the computer so claims to >>>> have "lost" their ID. But some simply don't seem to be inclined to carry >>>> ID. Is that perfectly okay in the US of A?
I *always* have ID when I'm driving or even going somewhere on the bus. >>>> (Basically, whenever I'm out beyond the lot my house sits on, I'm
carrying my wallet which includes photo ID.)
As in your country, it is required to carry a driver's license when
driving a motor vehicle in the public way.
If the police officer believes the driver has refused to identify
himself, he'll take him into custody and take pictures and prints. That >>> should positively identify him. If there's a want or warrent, he'll be >>> held or transferred to county jail.
One of the videos I saw specifically said that officer found a warrant
for the person he stopped but the officer told the guy that they had to
reach the issuer of the warrant to see if they actually wanted him;
apparently, sometimes the issuing county may say they don't want the guy
even though there is a warrant. (I don't know why that would happen but
two guesses: a. the issue has already been resolved but the system
hasn't been updated to reflect that b. the jail is already full to
bursting and the offence isn't that big a deal so they're not going to
worry about it.)
Yes, you always have to verify warrants before taking someone into custody based on them. When you enter a warrant into the system it's your responsibility to clear it out if it's canceled or you no longer want the guy or whatever, but many cops either forget or don't bother, so it's like coin flip whether a warrant is valid when it pops up on your screen. So you have to
contact the issuing department and determine whether it's still good before slapping the cuffs on someone.
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
Operating a motor vehicle aside, what police need in order to lawfully
demand ID from an individual are specific articulable facts that would
lead them to have reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Hunches
or gut feelings are not sufficient.
You are quoting Terry. If it's a traffic stop, the driver must show his driver's license. Under other circumstances, stating one's name without showing a driver's license is sufficient.
On Sep 16, 2026 at 9:48:19 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
Operating a motor vehicle aside, what police need in order to lawfully
demand ID from an individual are specific articulable facts that would
lead them to have reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Hunches
or gut feelings are not sufficient.
You are quoting Terry. If it's a traffic stop, the driver must show his
driver's license. Under other circumstances, stating one's name without
showing a driver's license is sufficient.
Yes, but the cops hate that. They're trained from their first day in the academy to get that ID. They want that little plastic card. Some of them don't
even like non-driver license IDs. They want that driver license and if you give them anything else (like a passport), they get all frustrated and ornery.
It's really a psychological condition with a lot of them. Verbally identifying
yourself, while perfectly legal, is likely to put them in a bad mood.
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