A woman with a dead headlight gets pulled over at a traffic stop. The officer asks for her ID, license and insurance but she freaks out
because the officer has a flashlight on and is looking around the car.
She screams that she does NOT grant consent and is apparently ignorant
of the fact that an officer can look at what's in plain sight without consent. Of course he can't tell her that because SHE WILL NOT SHUT UP
FOR ONE SECOND. She sends out a desperate "May Day" on her phone as she
is screaming at the officer and two activists soon arrive to interfere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sknpMYU0LPU [13 minutes]
Verily, in article <114t18m$28jj1$1@dont-email.me>, did Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> deliver unto us this message:
A woman with a dead headlight gets pulled over at a traffic stop. The
officer asks for her ID, license and insurance but she freaks out
because the officer has a flashlight on and is looking around the car.
She screams that she does NOT grant consent and is apparently ignorant
of the fact that an officer can look at what's in plain sight without
consent. Of course he can't tell her that because SHE WILL NOT SHUT UP
FOR ONE SECOND. She sends out a desperate "May Day" on her phone as she
is screaming at the officer and two activists soon arrive to interfere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sknpMYU0LPU [13 minutes]
The part that intrigues me is that she thinks cooperation is leverage.
She tells him to stop looking in her car "or you won't get my license."
She says this in a firm and commanding tone, believing that she's
telling him what's what.
One cannot influence police by threatening to withold cooperation. The attempt is likely to end badly.
I've seen a few other videos where people stand up for imaginary rights
and end up in handcuffs. There's a lot of misinformation out there, and
it's getting people in trouble.
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Verily, in article <114t18m$28jj1$1@dont-email.me>, did Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> deliver unto us this message:
A woman with a dead headlight gets pulled over at a traffic stop. The
officer asks for her ID, license and insurance but she freaks out
because the officer has a flashlight on and is looking around the car.
She screams that she does NOT grant consent and is apparently ignorant
of the fact that an officer can look at what's in plain sight without
consent. Of course he can't tell her that because SHE WILL NOT SHUT UP
FOR ONE SECOND. She sends out a desperate "May Day" on her phone as she
is screaming at the officer and two activists soon arrive to interfere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sknpMYU0LPU [13 minutes]
The part that intrigues me is that she thinks cooperation is leverage.
She tells him to stop looking in her car "or you won't get my license."
She says this in a firm and commanding tone, believing that she's
telling him what's what.
One cannot influence police by threatening to withold cooperation. The
attempt is likely to end badly.
I've seen a few other videos where people stand up for imaginary rights
and end up in handcuffs. There's a lot of misinformation out there, and
it's getting people in trouble.
One of the most prolific imaginary rights out there is they seem to think they have the right to have a supervisor called to the scene and the moment they invoke their 14.5 Amendment Right to a Supervisor, all police enforcement must stop until that supervisor arrives.
Verily, in article <114t18m$28jj1$1@dont-email.me>, did Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> deliver unto us this message:
A woman with a dead headlight gets pulled over at a traffic stop. The
officer asks for her ID, license and insurance but she freaks out
because the officer has a flashlight on and is looking around the car.
She screams that she does NOT grant consent and is apparently ignorant
of the fact that an officer can look at what's in plain sight without
consent. Of course he can't tell her that because SHE WILL NOT SHUT UP
FOR ONE SECOND. She sends out a desperate "May Day" on her phone as she
is screaming at the officer and two activists soon arrive to interfere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sknpMYU0LPU [13 minutes]
The part that intrigues me is that she thinks cooperation is leverage.
She tells him to stop looking in her car "or you won't get my license."
She says this in a firm and commanding tone, believing that she's
telling him what's what.
One cannot influence police by threatening to withold cooperation. The attempt is likely to end badly.
I've seen a few other videos where people stand up for imaginary rights
and end up in handcuffs. There's a lot of misinformation out there, and
it's getting people in trouble.
I wonder if it is TV and movies that give people their distorted understanding of what their rights actually are? There's no doubt that
there is a LOT of misinformation in TV shows. I've been down a bit of a rabbit hole for the past week or two looking at bodycam videos and there
are a surprising number of people that think:
- they don't have to show their ID, licence and proof of insurance when stopped by police
- they don't have to get out of the car when directed to
- they CAN demand a supervisor if they don't like what the officer is saying - they can struggle when the officer is putting the cuffs on and not
have it count as resisting
- they can trot out "sovereign citizen" bullcrap and that it will work
I don't know if these notions come from TV but what other vector could account for this?
We're not talking about people who went to law school
here. The only other source for this thinking that comes to mind is that they're getting these ideas from the elementary and high schools and colleges from the "activists" teaching there.
I think it might be a valuable public service if popular cop shows like
The Rookie made a point of showing some traffic stops where people
behave like in the videos and Nolan and his colleagues politely educate
them on the REAL rules. A good writer should be able to make that entertaining AND educational with a bit of humour thrown in.
Verily, in article <114u1b5$2ja5u$1@dont-email.me>, did Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> deliver unto us this message:
I wonder if it is TV and movies that give people their distorted
understanding of what their rights actually are? There's no doubt that
there is a LOT of misinformation in TV shows. I've been down a bit of a
rabbit hole for the past week or two looking at bodycam videos and there
are a surprising number of people that think:
- they don't have to show their ID, licence and proof of insurance when
stopped by police
- they don't have to get out of the car when directed to
- they CAN demand a supervisor if they don't like what the officer is saying >> - they can struggle when the officer is putting the cuffs on and not
have it count as resisting
- they can trot out "sovereign citizen" bullcrap and that it will work
I don't know if these notions come from TV but what other vector could
account for this?
The Internet is a big source, especially for the sovereign citizen
stuff. These people collect in chat rooms and spread misinformation to
each other. Once four or five people have repeated something like "You
don't have to show your license unless the cop has a warrant," it starts
to sound more credible. That's just how humans work.
We're not talking about people who went to law school
here. The only other source for this thinking that comes to mind is that
they're getting these ideas from the elementary and high schools and
colleges from the "activists" teaching there.
I think it might be a valuable public service if popular cop shows like
The Rookie made a point of showing some traffic stops where people
behave like in the videos and Nolan and his colleagues politely educate
them on the REAL rules. A good writer should be able to make that
entertaining AND educational with a bit of humour thrown in.
I have a feeling the people in question would dismiss such a scene as propaganda and tell each other the show is wrong.
It's worth trying, though.
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Verily, in article <114u1b5$2ja5u$1@dont-email.me>, did Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> deliver unto us this message:
I wonder if it is TV and movies that give people their distorted
understanding of what their rights actually are? There's no doubt that
there is a LOT of misinformation in TV shows. I've been down a bit of a
rabbit hole for the past week or two looking at bodycam videos and there >>> are a surprising number of people that think:
- they don't have to show their ID, licence and proof of insurance when
stopped by police
- they don't have to get out of the car when directed to
- they CAN demand a supervisor if they don't like what the officer is saying
- they can struggle when the officer is putting the cuffs on and not
have it count as resisting
- they can trot out "sovereign citizen" bullcrap and that it will work
I don't know if these notions come from TV but what other vector could
account for this?
IrCOve wondered if those sovereign citizen packets of misinformation they carry is something they mail away for or if they just print them themselves from some website. Maybe there are meetings like alcoholics anonymous. It would take a lot for me to believe I donrCOt have to pay an annual car registration fee.
The Internet is a big source, especially for the sovereign citizen
stuff. These people collect in chat rooms and spread misinformation to
each other. Once four or five people have repeated something like "You
don't have to show your license unless the cop has a warrant," it starts
to sound more credible. That's just how humans work.
We're not talking about people who went to law school
here. The only other source for this thinking that comes to mind is that >>> they're getting these ideas from the elementary and high schools and
colleges from the "activists" teaching there.
I think it might be a valuable public service if popular cop shows like
The Rookie made a point of showing some traffic stops where people
behave like in the videos and Nolan and his colleagues politely educate
them on the REAL rules. A good writer should be able to make that
entertaining AND educational with a bit of humour thrown in.
I have a feeling the people in question would dismiss such a scene as
propaganda and tell each other the show is wrong.
It's worth trying, though.
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