• Re: AOC's Chief of Staff: Green New Deal Not Really About Climate, It Was About Communism

    From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Aug 1 13:57:39 2026
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    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you and your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 00:38:53 2026
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    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the >> future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you >> and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti >> admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New >> Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that >> addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing >> the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who >> attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think >> of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher becoming politically simpatico?


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 3 21:43:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-08-03 8:38 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you >>> and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher becoming politically simpatico?


    It's kind of remarkable about how Maher actually makes sense sometimes
    now. I think he may be on the same trail Ronald Reagan was on back in
    the day. Remember that Reagan was a solid Democrat for many years,
    including his time as president of SAG, but eventually became a
    Republican. Someone asked him about that once and said "It's not so much
    that I left the Democratic Party as that they left me." I think Maher
    may be going the same way, slowly but surely.

    Here's another segment with Maher talking sense:

    https://substack.com/@roybentzvi/note/c-305867557?r=7xsprv [9 minutes]

    Or maybe it's the same segment since I don't know what segment moviePig
    was talking about.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 3 22:49:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you >>> and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 09:17:58 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    . . .

    It's kind of remarkable about how Maher actually makes sense sometimes
    now. I think he may be on the same trail Ronald Reagan was on back in
    the day. Remember that Reagan was a solid Democrat for many years,
    including his time as president of SAG, but eventually became a
    Republican. Someone asked him about that once and said "It's not so much >that I left the Democratic Party as that they left me." I think Maher
    may be going the same way, slowly but surely.

    Reagan had learned the words but his conservatism wasn't deeply held,
    and he wasn't a committed civil libertarian. As SAG president, he
    provided some names for the Blacklist and generally didn't protect his
    members from studio indifference and betrayal. As governor, by this time
    a Republican, the major interstaes were being built replacing free
    market privately owned public transportation, creating California's
    infamous congestion. His performance was career-making but he was still
    playing a role, just better than anyone else at the time.

    Here's another segment with Maher talking sense:

    https://substack.com/@roybentzvi/note/c-305867557?r=7xsprv [9 minutes]

    Or maybe it's the same segment since I don't know what segment moviePig
    was talking about.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 08:23:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you >>>> and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that >>>> addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher >> becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 16:35:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Aug 4, 2026 at 2:17:58 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    . . .

    It's kind of remarkable about how Maher actually makes sense sometimes
    now. I think he may be on the same trail Ronald Reagan was on back in
    the day. Remember that Reagan was a solid Democrat for many years,
    including his time as president of SAG, but eventually became a
    Republican. Someone asked him about that once and said "It's not so much
    that I left the Democratic Party as that they left me." I think Maher
    may be going the same way, slowly but surely.

    Reagan had learned the words but his conservatism wasn't deeply held,
    and he wasn't a committed civil libertarian. As SAG president, he
    provided some names for the Blacklist

    It's not like there weren't *some* actual communists in Hollywood.

    The way things are going, we could do with a little communist blacklisting today.

    and generally didn't protect his
    members from studio indifference and betrayal. As governor, by this time
    a Republican, the major interstaes were being built replacing free
    market privately owned public transportation

    Isn't privately owned public transportation an oxymoron?


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 16:51:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Aug 4, 2026 at 8:23:29 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>>>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>>>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    Been sayin' it for years. I sense there's going to be a huge "I told you so" moment to the vote-blue-no-matter-who crowd in my future and it will give me
    no satisfaction because by then it will be too late.

    These lunatics already hold five out of 15 city council seats in L.A. and one of them is poised to be elected mayor. (And I say 'elected' euphemistically since what happened with the primary has clearly shown we don't have real elections in this city.) Of course, even if the openly communist candidate is defeated, it'll only be a pyrrhic victory because the only other option is to re-elect Karen Bass. We have a choice between the openly communist candidate and the stealth Castro-loving communist candidate.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 13:23:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/4/2026 11:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you >>>>> and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>>>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>>>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    For me, the Carville coda was the kicker...


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 14:01:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell
    the young 'uns?
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 14:02:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Verily, in article <114t4cg$2a8m6$1@dont-email.me>, did BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> deliver unto us this message:
    Isn't privately owned public transportation an oxymoron?


    Not if the public uses it. A coffee shop is a public accomodation.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 18:04:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>>>>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>>>>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell
    the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which,
    outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look.
    Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work."


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 23:06:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>>>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell
    the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun to be successful is indeed evil.


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  • From Knowles@wles@dailywire.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 00:30:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    BTR1701 wrote:

    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap
    like this in
    the future. They don't care about the climate. They care
    about power over
    you and your life and imposing collectivism on you. The
    fake hysteria
    over the climate is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff
    Saikat
    Chakrabarti admitted recently that the true motivation
    behind introducing
    the Green New Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of
    America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor
    Jay Inslee
    that addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top
    priority in
    proposing the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about
    the Green New
    Deal, it wasn't originally a climate thing at all,"
    Chakrabarti said to
    Inslee's climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a
    Washington Post
    reporter who attended the meeting for a profile published
    Wednesday. "Did
    you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really
    thought of it
    as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."




    Climate Change is a big lie. Another Trump hoax.
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 21:35:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell
    the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun to be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics? Evil?



    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 04:32:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Aug 4, 2026 at 6:35:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver >>>> unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like >>>>>>>>> this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat >>>>>>>>> Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the >>>>>>>>> Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in >>>>>>>>> proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post >>>>>>>>> reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you >>>>>>>>> guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a >>>>>>>>> how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and >>>>>>> Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun >> to
    be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics? Evil?

    People can opt out of a capitalistic system. They're free to literally leave
    if they don't like it. Not so under communism.


    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 4 23:03:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/4/2026 11:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it >>>>>> wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's >>>>>> climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    For me, the Carville coda was the kicker...

    Yep. The other two guys on the panel thought that was great as well.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 07:57:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Verily, in article <114tnkk$2gqk8$1@dont-email.me>, did moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> deliver unto us this message:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the >>>>>> climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell
    the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which, outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look. Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work."

    "Communism has failed every time it's been tried" is what I've heard all
    my life, and I grew up in Ohio.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 11:38:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/5/2026 12:32 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 6:35:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver >>>>> unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like >>>>>>>>>> this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat >>>>>>>>>> Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the
    Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in
    proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post >>>>>>>>>> reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you >>>>>>>>>> guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a >>>>>>>>>> how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and >>>>>>>> Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun
    to
    be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics? Evil?

    People can opt out of a capitalistic system. They're free to literally leave if they don't like it. Not so under communism.

    The point here is that "evil" is a moralistic pronouncement, which the
    young (and some of us old) are prone to dismiss -- like telling them
    that marijuana is the Devil's tobacco.

    Plus, guns aren't intrinsic to basic communist doctrine. And if you
    want to claim that they always have been, then you're essentially
    reverting to the argument that actually holds water, i.e., communism has
    never worked nearly as well as capitalism, despite the latter's flaws.


    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 16:26:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> deliver unto us this message:

    Isn't privately owned public transportation an oxymoron?

    Not if the public uses it. A coffee shop is a public accomodation.

    A public corporation is privately owned. A public utility may be
    privately owned.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 13:57:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Verily, in article <114vo8e$34nna$2@dont-email.me>, did Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> deliver unto us this message:

    Isn't privately owned public transportation an oxymoron?

    Not if the public uses it. A coffee shop is a public accomodation.

    A public corporation is privately owned. A public utility may be
    privately owned.

    The utility might be the best example.

    Is there such transit? Are there privately owned bus lines or train
    lines which are staying in business?

    In the US, Greyhound and Amtrak are both subsidized to help them stay
    afloat. There's a regional bus, whose name I forget, and I suspect it's
    also getting free money either through Greyhound or directly.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 18:08:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Aug 5, 2026 at 8:38:31 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/5/2026 12:32 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 6:35:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and >>>>>>>>> Bill Maher becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun
    to be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics? Evil?

    People can opt out of a capitalistic system. They're free to literally leave
    if they don't like it. Not so under communism.

    The point here is that "evil" is a moralistic pronouncement, which the
    young (and some of us old) are prone to dismiss -- like telling them
    that marijuana is the Devil's tobacco.

    Plus, guns aren't intrinsic to basic communist doctrine.

    The doctrine is antithetical to human nature and so will be rejected by a significant portion of any population it is imposed upon. Which means it requires guns to force people to comply with its demands if it has any chance of "succeeding".

    For communists, utopia always seems to be just one more execution out of
    reach.


    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 14:14:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-08-05 12:32 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 6:35:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver >>>>> unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like >>>>>>>>>> this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat >>>>>>>>>> Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the
    Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in
    proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post >>>>>>>>>> reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you >>>>>>>>>> guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a >>>>>>>>>> how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and >>>>>>>> Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun
    to
    be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics? Evil?

    People can opt out of a capitalistic system. They're free to literally leave if they don't like it. Not so under communism.


    Exactly. The key problem with communism - which they generally leave out
    of the hype - is COERCION. You don't want to give up your property, like
    crops raised on your land for a pittance? Well then, here's a bullet or
    bunk in a concentration camp for you. Alternatively, we'll just deprive
    you of any and all food so you can have rocks for dinner. You don't want
    to keep your mouth shut about any disagreements you have with the
    regime: same alternatives, bullet, concentration camp or starvation. And
    so on for any possible thing you might want to do except for what we
    tell you to do.
    --
    Rhino
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 14:28:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-08-05 2:08 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 5, 2026 at 8:38:31 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/5/2026 12:32 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 6:35:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk- >>>>>>> cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and >>>>>>>>>> Bill Maher becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun
    to be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics? Evil? >>>
    People can opt out of a capitalistic system. They're free to literally leave
    if they don't like it. Not so under communism.

    The point here is that "evil" is a moralistic pronouncement, which the
    young (and some of us old) are prone to dismiss -- like telling them
    that marijuana is the Devil's tobacco.

    Plus, guns aren't intrinsic to basic communist doctrine.

    The doctrine is antithetical to human nature and so will be rejected by a significant portion of any population it is imposed upon. Which means it requires guns to force people to comply with its demands if it has any chance of "succeeding".

    For communists, utopia always seems to be just one more execution out of reach.


    "Guns aren't intrinsic to basic communist doctrine". That's complete
    bullshit. I just posed a question to ChatGPT on this theme and here's
    the question and answer:

    Q: Are there passages in the writings of Marx and Engels that propose
    violence to implement socialism and help communism develop faster?

    A: Yes. There are a number of passages in the writings of **Karl Marx**
    and **Friedrich Engels** that either explicitly advocate revolutionary violence or argue that violence will likely be necessary to overthrow
    the existing social order. At the same time, it is worth distinguishing between two related but different claims:

    1. **Violence as a means of seizing political power.**
    2. **Violence as a means of accelerating the transition to socialism or communism once power has been seized.**

    Marx and Engels were much clearer and more consistent about the first
    than the second.

    Here are some of the best-known examples.

    ### The Communist Manifesto (1848)

    The concluding paragraph is probably the most famous:

    "The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly
    declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow
    of all existing social conditions."

    This is an unequivocal endorsement of revolution by force.

    ---

    ### Marx on revolution

    In *The Class Struggles in France* (1850), Marx argued that the working
    class could not simply inherit the existing state apparatus but would
    have to defeat it.

    Similarly, after the experience of the **Paris Commune**, Marx wrote in
    *The Civil War in France* that the working class could not simply "lay
    hold of the ready-made state machinery" and use it for its own purposes;
    it had to replace it.

    ---

    ### Engels on force

    Engels often defended the role of violence in history.

    In *Anti-D|+hring* (1878), he wrote:

    "Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one."

    This metaphor suggests that violence is not merely accidental but an
    important mechanism through which historical change sometimes occurs.

    ---

    ### Marx on "revolutionary terror"

    One of Marx's strongest statements appears in 1848:

    "There is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the
    old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be
    shortened, simplified and concentratedrCorevolutionary terror."

    This passage is frequently cited because Marx explicitly speaks of revolutionary terror as a way of shortening the transition.

    Historians debate exactly what he meant by "terror" in this context, but
    he clearly regarded coercive revolutionary violence as potentially useful.

    ---

    ### The dictatorship of the proletariat

    Marx repeatedly argued that after a revolution there would be a
    transitional political phase he called the "dictatorship of the
    proletariat."

    By "dictatorship," he meant rule by a class rather than necessarily a
    one-man dictatorship, although later Marxist governments interpreted the concept quite differently.

    He believed this transitional state would suppress attempts by the
    former ruling classes to restore capitalism.

    In his *Critique of the Gotha Programme* (1875), he wrote:

    "Between capitalist and communist society lies the period of the
    revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to
    this is also a political transition period in which the state can be
    nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat."

    Although this passage does not explicitly call for violence, it implies
    the use of coercive state power against class enemies.

    ---

    ## Did they advocate violence to make communism develop faster?

    There are passages suggesting this, but they are fewer.

    The strongest evidence is Marx's statement about **"revolutionary
    terror"** shortening "the bloody birth throes" of the new society.

    Engels also argued that resistance by the old ruling classes would
    require force and that historical progress sometimes depended upon it.

    However, neither Marx nor Engels developed a detailed theory saying that increasing violence would itself accelerate economic or social
    development toward communism. Their central argument was different:

    * capitalism creates the material conditions for socialism;
    * revolution overthrows capitalist political power;
    * coercion suppresses counterrevolution during the transition;
    * eventually the state "withers away."

    They generally viewed violence as **instrumental**rConecessary because of class conflictrConot as an end in itself or as a universal accelerator of historical progress.

    ## An important historical distinction

    This is also where many historians distinguish **Marx and Engels** from
    later Marxist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong.

    Those later figures often argued for far more extensive and sustained
    use of coercionrCoincluding secret police, political terror, forced collectivization, and mass campaignsrCoas tools not only to defend the revolution but to reshape society rapidly. Scholars continue to debate
    how much continuity exists between those practices and Marx's own
    writings. Some argue the later regimes extended ideas already present in
    Marx; others argue they departed significantly from his expectations and prescriptions.

    Given your interest in Soviet history, you might also find it
    illuminating to compare Marx's original texts with Lenin's *State and Revolution* and *The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky*.
    Lenin explicitly explains why he believed revolutionary violence and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" had to be more extensive and enduring
    than many contemporary socialists were willing to accept.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 14:33:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/5/2026 2:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 5, 2026 at 8:38:31 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/5/2026 12:32 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 6:35:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk- >>>>>>> cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and >>>>>>>>>> Bill Maher becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?

    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"

    Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point of a gun
    to be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics? Evil? >>>
    People can opt out of a capitalistic system. They're free to literally leave
    if they don't like it. Not so under communism.

    The point here is that "evil" is a moralistic pronouncement, which the
    young (and some of us old) are prone to dismiss -- like telling them
    that marijuana is the Devil's tobacco.

    Plus, guns aren't intrinsic to basic communist doctrine.

    The doctrine is antithetical to human nature and so will be rejected by a significant portion of any population it is imposed upon. Which means it requires guns to force people to comply with its demands if it has any chance of "succeeding".

    For communists, utopia always seems to be just one more execution out of reach.

    Its proponents will argue that communism is very much in accord with our *better* "human nature". E.g., "...to each according to his need". And there's *no* system of government that's not enforced by guns.

    You seem to think communism's flaws should be obvious at first glance.
    Yet global history suggests brutally otherwise. Confronting today's
    young advocates requires more than than calling them "godless commies".


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 18:57:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> deliver unto us this message:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> deliver unto us this message:

    Isn't privately owned public transportation an oxymoron?

    Not if the public uses it. A coffee shop is a public accomodation.

    A public corporation is privately owned. A public utility may be
    privately owned.

    The utility might be the best example.

    Is there such transit? Are there privately owned bus lines or train
    lines which are staying in business?

    The big one is Brightline in Florida, which runs on Florida East Coast,
    not part of CSX. Any privately-owned local bus service has municipal
    contracts, probably cost plus.

    In the US, Greyhound and Amtrak are both subsidized to help them stay >afloat. There's a regional bus, whose name I forget, and I suspect it's
    also getting free money either through Greyhound or directly.

    Greyhound is sad as it was stripped of all its land in city centers.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 15:13:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-08-05 2:57 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> deliver unto us this message:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> deliver unto us this message:

    Isn't privately owned public transportation an oxymoron?

    Not if the public uses it. A coffee shop is a public accomodation.

    A public corporation is privately owned. A public utility may be
    privately owned.

    The utility might be the best example.

    Is there such transit? Are there privately owned bus lines or train
    lines which are staying in business?

    The big one is Brightline in Florida, which runs on Florida East Coast,
    not part of CSX. Any privately-owned local bus service has municipal contracts, probably cost plus.

    In the US, Greyhound and Amtrak are both subsidized to help them stay
    afloat. There's a regional bus, whose name I forget, and I suspect it's
    also getting free money either through Greyhound or directly.

    Greyhound is sad as it was stripped of all its land in city centers.

    Is Greyhound still operating in the USA? They were the main (and I
    suspect almost only) interprovincial carrier in Canada but they went
    belly up during Covid and have not come back.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 15:31:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Rhino wrote in article <1150209$38n1l$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 2026-08-05 2:57 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> deliver unto us this message:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    did BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> deliver unto us this message:

    Isn't privately owned public transportation an oxymoron?

    Not if the public uses it. A coffee shop is a public accomodation.

    A public corporation is privately owned. A public utility may be
    privately owned.

    The utility might be the best example.

    Is there such transit? Are there privately owned bus lines or train
    lines which are staying in business?

    The big one is Brightline in Florida, which runs on Florida East Coast,
    not part of CSX. Any privately-owned local bus service has municipal contracts, probably cost plus.

    In the US, Greyhound and Amtrak are both subsidized to help them stay
    afloat. There's a regional bus, whose name I forget, and I suspect it's
    also getting free money either through Greyhound or directly.

    Greyhound is sad as it was stripped of all its land in city centers.

    Is Greyhound still operating in the USA? They were the main (and I
    suspect almost only) interprovincial carrier in Canada but they went
    belly up during Covid and have not come back.

    They're still around as a brand, at least. I booked through them to get
    from the airport to my mother's town, though the bus line was a regional
    one.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 5 15:53:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/5/2026 2:14 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-08-05 12:32 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 4, 2026 at 6:35:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/4/2026 7:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    -a On Aug 4, 2026 at 3:04:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
    -a On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    -a-a-a Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    -a-a-a cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> >>>>>> deliver
    -a-a-a unto us this message:

    -a-a-a moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    -a-a-a On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    -a-a-a On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    -a-a-a On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    -a-a-a Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with >>>>>>>>>>> crap like
    this in the
    -a-a-a future. They don't care about the climate. They care >>>>>>>>>>> about power over you
    -a-a-a and
    -a-a-a your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake >>>>>>>>>>> hysteria over the
    -a-a-a climate
    -a-a-a is just the cover they're using to do it.

    -a-a-a ------------------------
    -a-a-a Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff >>>>>>>>>>> Saikat
    Chakrabarti
    -a-a-a admitted recently that the true motivation behind >>>>>>>>>>> introducing the
    Green New
    -a-a-a Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America". >>>>>>>>>>>
    -a-a-a Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington >>>>>>>>>>> Governor Jay Inslee that
    -a-a-a addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top >>>>>>>>>>> priority in
    proposing
    -a-a-a the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the >>>>>>>>>>> Green New Deal, it
    -a-a-a wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti >>>>>>>>>>> said to Inslee's
    -a-a-a climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington >>>>>>>>>>> Post
    reporter who
    -a-a-a attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. >>>>>>>>>>> "Did you
    guys think
    -a-a-a of
    -a-a-a it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a >>>>>>>>>>> -a-a-a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    -a-a-a Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill >>>>>>>>>> Maher --
    -a-a-a specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end. >>>>>>>>>
    -a-a-a What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in >>>>>>>>> me and
    Bill Maher
    -a-a-a becoming politically simpatico?

    -a-a-a Here you go.-a It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored: >>>>>>>>
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI

    -a-a-a Wow
    -a-a-a It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?
    -a-a-a Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will
    anyone tell
    -a-a-a the young 'uns?

    -a Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil"
    -a Any economic/social system which must be implemented at the point
    of a gun
    to
    -a be successful is indeed evil.

    What about capitalism, where money inevitably corrupts politics?-a Evil?

    People can opt out of a capitalistic system. They're free to literally
    leave
    if they don't like it. Not so under communism.


    Exactly. The key problem with communism - which they generally leave out
    of the hype - is COERCION. You don't want to give up your property, like crops raised on your land for a pittance? Well then, here's a bullet or
    bunk in a concentration camp for you. Alternatively, we'll just deprive
    you of any and all food so you can have rocks for dinner. You don't want
    to keep your mouth shut about any disagreements you have with the
    regime: same alternatives, bullet, concentration camp or starvation. And
    so on for any possible thing you might want to do except for what we
    tell you to do.

    You seem to suggest that, if communism could rid itself of widespread coercion, then it might fulfill its salutary promises. I suspect the
    current standard-bearers would be pleased with that stance.

    The "key problem with communism" is more basic than its ancillary
    methodology. It's that the powerful, universal engine of the
    self-seeking human is not merely disparaged, it's blunted. What
    communism calls a vice, capitalism calls a virtue and roundly exploits.


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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Aug 6 07:16:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 07:57:18 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    Verily, in article <114tnkk$2gqk8$1@dont-email.me>, did moviePig ><nobody@nowhere.com> deliver unto us this message:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?



    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell
    the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which,
    outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look.
    Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work."

    "Communism has failed every time it's been tried" is what I've heard all
    my life, and I grew up in Ohio.

    I'd love for anyone to show when Communism has worked.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Thu Aug 6 08:27:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    NoBody wrote in article <g7r87l9nobtve0al8rpnma4eelt58c1dj2@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 07:57:18 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    Verily, in article <114tnkk$2gqk8$1@dont-email.me>, did moviePig ><nobody@nowhere.com> deliver unto us this message:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver
    unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?



    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell
    the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which,
    outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look.
    Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work."

    "Communism has failed every time it's been tried" is what I've heard all >my life, and I grew up in Ohio.

    I'd love for anyone to show when Communism has worked.

    Communism does work in very small groups where everyone has an interest
    in everyone else's welfare. Most families are communist -- the parents
    give more and the kids need more, and nobody says it's unfair.

    A difficulty arises when we ask people to act like they're strongly
    bonded to people they don't even know.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Aug 6 15:39:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/6/2026 8:27 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    NoBody wrote in article <g7r87l9nobtve0al8rpnma4eelt58c1dj2@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 07:57:18 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    Verily, in article <114tnkk$2gqk8$1@dont-email.me>, did moviePig
    <nobody@nowhere.com> deliver unto us this message:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver >>>>> unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a >>>>>>>>>> how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?



    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which,
    outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look. >>>> Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work." >>>
    "Communism has failed every time it's been tried" is what I've heard all >>> my life, and I grew up in Ohio.

    I'd love for anyone to show when Communism has worked.

    Communism does work in very small groups where everyone has an interest
    in everyone else's welfare. Most families are communist -- the parents
    give more and the kids need more, and nobody says it's unfair.

    A difficulty arises when we ask people to act like they're strongly
    bonded to people they don't even know.

    As one of communism's fatal flaws, that's an interesting point. I may
    have to steal it...


    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Aug 7 07:30:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 08:27:22 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <g7r87l9nobtve0al8rpnma4eelt58c1dj2@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 07:57:18 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    Verily, in article <114tnkk$2gqk8$1@dont-email.me>, did moviePig
    <nobody@nowhere.com> deliver unto us this message:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver >> >> > unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a
    how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher --
    specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?



    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >> >> > the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which,
    outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look.
    Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work." >> >
    "Communism has failed every time it's been tried" is what I've heard all >> >my life, and I grew up in Ohio.

    I'd love for anyone to show when Communism has worked.

    Communism does work in very small groups where everyone has an interest
    in everyone else's welfare. Most families are communist -- the parents
    give more and the kids need more, and nobody says it's unfair.


    You picked a very strange example and way out of scale. You also
    presume the family has sufficient income to meet the "needs" of the
    kids. In many cases, the child does not get what they ask for because
    the budget does not allow for it. That's a capitalistic function.
    When you don't have it you don't spend it.

    A difficulty arises when we ask people to act like they're strongly
    bonded to people they don't even know.

    That's called leeching, which is communism. Give nothing but get
    anyway.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Aug 7 07:31:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:39:57 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/6/2026 8:27 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    NoBody wrote in article <g7r87l9nobtve0al8rpnma4eelt58c1dj2@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 07:57:18 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    Verily, in article <114tnkk$2gqk8$1@dont-email.me>, did moviePig
    <nobody@nowhere.com> deliver unto us this message:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver >>>>>> unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a >>>>>>>>>>> how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?



    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which, >>>>> outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look. >>>>> Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work." >>>>
    "Communism has failed every time it's been tried" is what I've heard all >>>> my life, and I grew up in Ohio.

    I'd love for anyone to show when Communism has worked.

    Communism does work in very small groups where everyone has an interest
    in everyone else's welfare. Most families are communist -- the parents
    give more and the kids need more, and nobody says it's unfair.

    A difficulty arises when we ask people to act like they're strongly
    bonded to people they don't even know.

    As one of communism's fatal flaws, that's an interesting point. I may
    have to steal it...



    That is the reason why communism fails: if you don't have to produce
    and you just take it all falls apart when there is no one left to
    give.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Fri Aug 7 08:01:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    NoBody wrote in article <38gb7l9dn49eqf6sfs39a4de05n0r50g9h@4ax.com>:
    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 08:27:22 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    [quoted text muted]

    Communism does work in very small groups where everyone has an interest
    in everyone else's welfare. Most families are communist -- the parents >give more and the kids need more, and nobody says it's unfair.

    You picked a very strange example and way out of scale.

    That's the point. Communism tries to run a nation like a family.
    Thinking of it that way is an easy way to understand why it can't work.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Aug 7 13:38:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 8/7/2026 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:39:57 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/6/2026 8:27 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    NoBody wrote in article <g7r87l9nobtve0al8rpnma4eelt58c1dj2@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 07:57:18 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    Verily, in article <114tnkk$2gqk8$1@dont-email.me>, did moviePig
    <nobody@nowhere.com> deliver unto us this message:

    On 8/4/2026 2:01 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <1047641585.807548923.255513.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> deliver >>>>>>> unto us this message:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/3/2026 8:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 1, 2026 at 10:57:39 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 7/31/2026 1:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Remember this when the Climate Cult comes at you with crap like this in the
    future. They don't care about the climate. They care about power over you
    and
    your life and imposing collectivism on you. The fake hysteria over the
    climate
    is just the cover they're using to do it.

    ------------------------
    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti
    admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New
    Deal was to "overhaul the entire economy of America".

    Chakrabarti said during a meeting with Washington Governor Jay Inslee that
    addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez's top priority in proposing
    the Green New Deal . "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, it
    wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said to Inslee's
    climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who
    attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. "Did you guys think
    of
    it as a climate thing? Because we really thought of it as a >>>>>>>>>>>> how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing."

    Fyi, I believe you'd immensely enjoy last night's Bill Maher -- >>>>>>>>>>> specifically, his 5-minute-or-so 'New Rules' at the end.

    What strange brew of intellectual witchery has resulted in me and Bill Maher
    becoming politically simpatico?

    Here you go. It's 9 minutes, but I doubt you'll be bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIjYHVh5kI


    Wow

    It's amazing that people now say that openly, isn't it?



    Bill Maher is calling it out for older liberals, but will anyone tell >>>>>>> the young 'uns?

    Well, old 'uns make the mistake of calling communism "evil" ...which, >>>>>> outside of the Bible Belt, seems reason enough to give it a hard look. >>>>>> Maher's summary, otoh, is for grownups: "We tried it, it doesn't work." >>>>>
    "Communism has failed every time it's been tried" is what I've heard all >>>>> my life, and I grew up in Ohio.

    I'd love for anyone to show when Communism has worked.

    Communism does work in very small groups where everyone has an interest
    in everyone else's welfare. Most families are communist -- the parents
    give more and the kids need more, and nobody says it's unfair.

    A difficulty arises when we ask people to act like they're strongly
    bonded to people they don't even know.

    As one of communism's fatal flaws, that's an interesting point. I may
    have to steal it...

    That is the reason why communism fails: if you don't have to produce
    and you just take it all falls apart when there is no one left to
    give.

    The point I got is our tendency to regard strangers unfavorably. E.g.,
    *my* charming quirk is *your* unacceptable character flaw. Thus, any
    large enough society is hardwired to evolve invidious animosity
    ...which, sooner or later, dominates behavior as well as feelings.

    And, with humans, as far as I can intuit, this is inevitable.


    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Aug 8 09:35:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 08:01:30 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <38gb7l9dn49eqf6sfs39a4de05n0r50g9h@4ax.com>:
    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 08:27:22 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    [quoted text muted]

    Communism does work in very small groups where everyone has an interest
    in everyone else's welfare. Most families are communist -- the parents
    give more and the kids need more, and nobody says it's unfair.

    You picked a very strange example and way out of scale.

    That's the point. Communism tries to run a nation like a family.
    Thinking of it that way is an easy way to understand why it can't work.

    Spot on. Families can't scale. Also of note today's family is
    breaking down due to feminism and the comparison is largely invalid
    today.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Sat Aug 8 10:04:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    NoBody wrote in article <03ce7l9hd1ltua1rjv5a34g4jbmb9c5ovs@4ax.com>:

    Spot on. Families can't scale. Also of note today's family is
    breaking down due to feminism and the comparison is largely invalid
    today.

    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that probably fueled the feminist movement.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Aug 8 15:50:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    NoBody wrote:

    Spot on. Families can't scale. Also of note today's family is
    breaking down due to feminism and the comparison is largely invalid
    today.

    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Ehat about the rural population decline? In a frontier or farm, weren't
    husband and wife less unequal because if both didn't do all the
    necessary work, ypu might not survive the winter?
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Sat Aug 8 13:29:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Adam H. Kerman wrote in article <1157j8v$1kn2l$1@dont-email.me>:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    NoBody wrote:

    Spot on. Families can't scale. Also of note today's family is
    breaking down due to feminism and the comparison is largely invalid >>today.

    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Ehat about the rural population decline? In a frontier or farm, weren't husband and wife less unequal because if both didn't do all the
    necessary work, ypu might not survive the winter?

    That's a good point. Both husband and wife worked hard.

    Even in the cities, it was pretty normal for both to be employed.
    We all think that "women didn't work" because we remember the
    middle class, aping the upper class to create low-rent ladies of
    leisure, but those laundresses and seamstresses and diner
    waitress were all working women.

    There are a lot of factors in the long, lingering death of the
    family. It's not fair to blame any one thing.

    We've come a long, long way from tribal life.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Aug 9 09:43:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 10:04:58 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <03ce7l9hd1ltua1rjv5a34g4jbmb9c5ovs@4ax.com>:

    Spot on. Families can't scale. Also of note today's family is
    breaking down due to feminism and the comparison is largely invalid
    today.

    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Can you provide any documentation for your claim? This does wander
    off the topic however.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Aug 9 09:44:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 15:50:55 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    NoBody wrote:

    Spot on. Families can't scale. Also of note today's family is
    breaking down due to feminism and the comparison is largely invalid >>>today.

    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >>family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >>families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >>probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Ehat about the rural population decline? In a frontier or farm, weren't >husband and wife less unequal because if both didn't do all the
    necessary work, ypu might not survive the winter?

    A willingly entered into agreement (marriage) does not communism make.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Sun Aug 9 09:52:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    NoBody wrote in article <tu0h7lhslterp3ne5ja92r6ta9b437q5a6@
    4ax.com>:
    On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 10:04:58 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    [quoted text muted]
    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Can you provide any documentation for your claim?

    Which part? The decreased stability? Sure, that can be looked up.


    This does wander
    off the topic however.

    Well, where do you want to take it? Maybe soc.culture.usa would
    do, though it's not a strictly US phenomenon.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Aug 9 15:10:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    NoBody wrote:
    8 Aug 2026 10:04:58 -0400 The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM>:

    [quoted text muted]

    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >>>family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a >>>reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >>>families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >>>probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Can you provide any documentation for your claim?

    Which part? The decreased stability? Sure, that can be looked up.

    Were there surveys? Not sure how. There are statistics of divorce after no-fault became an option, but before that, people stayed in bad
    marriages because the law made it so damn difficult to dissolve a bad
    marriage.

    No-fault divorce was an entirely separate issue from child support.

    . . .
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 10 07:15:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 09:52:26 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <tu0h7lhslterp3ne5ja92r6ta9b437q5a6@
    4ax.com>:
    On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 10:04:58 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    [quoted text muted]
    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >> >family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear
    families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that
    probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Can you provide any documentation for your claim?

    Which part? The decreased stability? Sure, that can be looked up.


    I wouldn't mind seeing something credible about this since you made
    that statement.


    This does wander
    off the topic however.

    Well, where do you want to take it? Maybe soc.culture.usa would
    do, though it's not a strictly US phenomenon.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 10 10:04:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    NoBody wrote in article <0lcj7ldv2hiag9n64c4jup1h3da1t2ssen@
    4ax.com>:

    On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 09:52:26 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <tu0h7lhslterp3ne5ja92r6ta9b437q5a6@
    4ax.com>:
    On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 10:04:58 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    [quoted text muted]
    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear >> >family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >> >families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >> >probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Can you provide any documentation for your claim?

    Which part? The decreased stability? Sure, that can be looked up.


    I wouldn't mind seeing something credible about this since you made
    that statement.

    Quick links:

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3171291/

    Tracks family instability in the US across time, and we can see
    that it began before 70s feminism and even before 50s nuclear
    families.

    Also, Andrew J. Cherlin has written several scholarly articles
    and books on the changing American family, and he has one
    specific to the role of grandparents:

    Cherlin Andrew J, Furstenberg Frank F., Jr . The New American
    Grandparent: A Place in the Family, A Life Apart. Cambridge, MA:
    Harvard University Press; 1992.

    Cherlin believes that early, lifelong marriages were an
    aberration in history. He's probably right. The nuclear family
    relies on that one marriage, which makes it fragile.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 11 07:22:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 10:04:33 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <0lcj7ldv2hiag9n64c4jup1h3da1t2ssen@
    4ax.com>:

    On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 09:52:26 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <tu0h7lhslterp3ne5ja92r6ta9b437q5a6@
    4ax.com>:
    On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 10:04:58 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    [quoted text muted]
    It was happening before that. Lots of people think the so-called nuclear
    family is the traditional family, but the term was invented as a
    reaction to the multigenerational households which preceded it. Nuclear >> >> >families were worse and less stable than traditional families, and that >> >> >probably fueled the feminist movement.

    Can you provide any documentation for your claim?

    Which part? The decreased stability? Sure, that can be looked up.


    I wouldn't mind seeing something credible about this since you made
    that statement.

    Quick links:

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3171291/


    This is a study that only appears to refer modern family dynamics. I
    see no real reference to events before about 1980.


    Tracks family instability in the US across time, and we can see
    that it began before 70s feminism and even before 50s nuclear
    families.

    I'm not seeing references to this in the above.


    Also, Andrew J. Cherlin has written several scholarly articles
    and books on the changing American family, and he has one
    specific to the role of grandparents:

    Cherlin Andrew J, Furstenberg Frank F., Jr . The New American
    Grandparent: A Place in the Family, A Life Apart. Cambridge, MA:
    Harvard University Press; 1992.

    Cherlin believes that early, lifelong marriages were an
    aberration in history. He's probably right. The nuclear family
    relies on that one marriage, which makes it fragile.

    Honestly I'm not concerned on what the author "believes". I'm
    interested in what history shows.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 11 08:07:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    NoBody wrote in article <q81m7ldeau3ielu7ba2g4elakkc07l8nlh@
    4ax.com>:
    Honestly I'm not concerned on what the author "believes". I'm
    interested in what history shows.


    He's a historian. That's his professional position.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 12 07:29:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 08:07:07 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    NoBody wrote in article <q81m7ldeau3ielu7ba2g4elakkc07l8nlh@
    4ax.com>:
    Honestly I'm not concerned on what the author "believes". I'm
    interested in what history shows.


    He's a historian. That's his professional position.

    Yet is still a belief. That he is a "historian" is not relevent to
    the fact he is sharing a belief.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2