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On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 16:32:10 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:

Noncitizens have been barred from voting in federal elections since
1924. In addition, in 1996, Congress made noncitizen voting in federal
elections a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment.

Non-citizens have been barred from entering the United States without >authorization since 1929, punishable by fines, deportation and imprisonment. >Nevertheless, millions have done so.

You need to clarify that - in her college days, my (Canadian) mother
attended and graduated from college in Seattle. She had her visa and
eventually became a 'resident alien' after marrying my father. Given
they were married for 50+ years you can assume they were really
married and not just 'married for a visa'
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 08:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

If the SAVE Act addresses none of these issues. If it were being useful,
then the Motor Voter database should be expaned to include or interface
with the state vital statistics database for birth certificate access.
No one born in America should ever have to prresent a birth crtificate
if the record is searchable. There can be exceptional circumstances in
which it's necwssary.

I have seen my father's birth certificate issued by the state of
Washington. And I know which county he was born in.

Given he was born in 1933 I'm skeptical Washington ever computerized
the records of anyone born in that era.
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 08:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

I don't agree. Every driver resident should be eligible to apply for a >driver's license. Stop using it as a direct citizenship check unless the >record notes where the birth certificate was issued. Even then, checking
the vital statistics registrar of the state in which the birth
certificate was issued would be better.

Simply being born in the US does not make you a citizen - children of
diplomats serving in the US get the citizenship of their parents'
country instead.

There are several other sub-categories where someone born in the US
doesn't get US citizenship - I can't remember the details but
naturally US born citizens can renounce their citizenship usually as
part of naturalization in another country.

The ONLY reason I didn't get US citizenship was that Canada dropped
the voting age from 21 to 18 when I was 19 and while I can't remember
when the election was (though think I know) I voted in Canada before I
was 21. And the US Consul in Vancouver asked me that specific question (presumably he knew about the Canadian change in voting age - it was
certainly no secret) and when I said yes told me that the US
government considered that an act of renouncing US citizenship.

"Thanks for telling me that in advance folks!"

Years later I was told I >COULD< get US citizenship and be a 'dual'
but would have to file tax returns in both countries the rest of my
life regardless of where I lived. And since my US citizenship would
NOT transfer to my children what was the point? It's not as if
presenting my Canadian passport at the US border gets any response
other than after a 20 second verification getting "Have a nice day
sir!"
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The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 08:02:50 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

If the SAVE Act addresses none of these issues. If it were being useful, >>then the Motor Voter database should be expaned to include or interface >>with the state vital statistics database for birth certificate access.
No one born in America should ever have to prresent a birth crtificate
if the record is searchable. There can be exceptional circumstances in >>which it's necwssary.

I have seen my father's birth certificate issued by the state of
Washington. And I know which county he was born in.

Given he was born in 1933 I'm skeptical Washington ever computerized
the records of anyone born in that era.

Then he'd be required to present it when applying for a driver's
license. Once in that database, then it should be made available in the
Motor Voter database for voter registration purposes. I was born before
such records were computerized. My birth certificate is now computerized.
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The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

Simply being born in the US does not make you a citizen - children of >diplomats serving in the US get the citizenship of their parents'
country instead.

I assume the fact of the parents being in a foreign delegation is noted
to avoid a diplomatic incident since the United States cannot claim the
child as its citizen.

There are several other sub-categories where someone born in the US
doesn't get US citizenship . . .

Child of a soldier who is part of a foreign army's occupation of the
United States is another category.
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