• Democracy born out of genocide! Goddam America!

    From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Jul 2 13:45:57 2026
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    Listening to NPR's 1A (for First Amendment) talk show, they profiled a
    podcast that purports to explain modern attitudes by lokking to
    history, specifically history from an academic perspective about how
    whites treated Indians and ever since, white mythologized history to
    cover up crimes. Dutifully, they recounted an instance in which George Washington gave written instructions ordering crops and seed crops
    burned of an agrarian tribe that had aligned with the British during the Revolutionary War.

    Now, I have no idea if Washington was truly concerned that this tribe
    would actively participate in war, making them a threat, or if
    Washington said to himself, Hey! This is a great opportunity to commit
    that massacre I've always dreamed of, a war crime in contravention of the Geneva Conventions. I can get away with it knowing that it will be
    forgotten by history, since Our Side will win!

    Because we were not taught this in school, I am now obligated to believe
    the latter, if I listen to the academic.

    And, because it's an atrocity against civilians, we must label it a
    "genocide" in modern historical revisionism. Because everything is a
    genocide.

    This completely contradicts everything I was taught to believe as a
    yout' about the Revolutionary War. Of course we were told that our side,
    the right side, fought the war so that no civilians were inconvenienced
    in any way, let alone killed. Because that's possible in war.

    No, we were taught things like how many died at Valley Forge in winter
    under harsh conditions. There was no food and no shelter and our brave
    men died of exposure, perhaps not living long enough to die of
    starvation. It was a strategic point on the Delaware River, yes, but the British weren't literally there because winter, sunning themselves
    instead in Bermuda or something.

    Is that an atrocity? A war crime? These were Washington's orders and
    those men were directly in his command.

    I just don't remember being taught that war is safe, like everyone else.
    I was absent that day.

    Now that I've been confronted with History is Not Like a Bowl of Cherries,
    I can no longer think about any of the good in America and what I should
    be grateful for having had the fortune of being born here.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Jul 2 15:43:06 2026
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    On 2026-07-02 9:45 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Listening to NPR's 1A (for First Amendment) talk show, they profiled a podcast that purports to explain modern attitudes by lokking to
    history, specifically history from an academic perspective about how
    whites treated Indians and ever since, white mythologized history to
    cover up crimes. Dutifully, they recounted an instance in which George Washington gave written instructions ordering crops and seed crops
    burned of an agrarian tribe that had aligned with the British during the Revolutionary War.

    Now, I have no idea if Washington was truly concerned that this tribe
    would actively participate in war, making them a threat, or if
    Washington said to himself, Hey! This is a great opportunity to commit
    that massacre I've always dreamed of, a war crime in contravention of the Geneva Conventions. I can get away with it knowing that it will be
    forgotten by history, since Our Side will win!

    Some of these academics are beyond ludicrous, especially when they
    measure historic figures by rules that DID NOT EXIST until decades (or centuries) after the events being considered. The Geneva Conventions
    didn't exist until long after your Revolutionary War and no rational
    person could demand compliance with it before it even existed.

    It's the same with slavery, if perhaps a little less obvious. I don't
    think there are very many people who TODAY think slavery is a reasonable institution: I think pretty much everyone thinks it is utterly
    deplorable. But during the Revolutionary War and the drafting of the
    American Constitution, this was not a given. A substantial proportion of
    the public, including both slave-owners and those who didn't own slaves,
    saw slavery as an ancient institution that had been around far back into
    human history, in fact, as far back as anyone knew. No doubt there were pockets of people that hated the notion and institution of slavery even
    then but there were also those who thought it was the natural order of
    things. Referring to slavery as the "original sin" of the Ameerican Constitution - as some historians do - is using hindsight to make the assessment.

    Because we were not taught this in school, I am now obligated to believe
    the latter, if I listen to the academic.

    And, because it's an atrocity against civilians, we must label it a "genocide" in modern historical revisionism. Because everything is a genocide.

    This completely contradicts everything I was taught to believe as a
    yout' about the Revolutionary War. Of course we were told that our side,
    the right side, fought the war so that no civilians were inconvenienced
    in any way, let alone killed. Because that's possible in war.

    No, we were taught things like how many died at Valley Forge in winter
    under harsh conditions. There was no food and no shelter and our brave
    men died of exposure, perhaps not living long enough to die of
    starvation. It was a strategic point on the Delaware River, yes, but the British weren't literally there because winter, sunning themselves
    instead in Bermuda or something.

    Is that an atrocity? A war crime? These were Washington's orders and
    those men were directly in his command.

    I just don't remember being taught that war is safe, like everyone else.
    I was absent that day.

    Now that I've been confronted with History is Not Like a Bowl of Cherries,
    I can no longer think about any of the good in America and what I should
    be grateful for having had the fortune of being born here.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From Ed Stasiak@user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Fri Jul 3 02:32:40 2026
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    Adam H. Kerman

    Listening to NPR's

    In the run-up to Independence Day, NPR has been going full-out
    with the blame-whitey-America-bad programming.
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