• [OT] A black man makes the case *against* reparations

    From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jun 28 11:26:44 2026
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    It is beyond dispute that the trans-Atlantic slave trade was appalling
    and abhorrent. Many people suffered and died while others prospered at
    their expense. A great injustice - or rather millions of injustices -
    took place and it's understandable that some people feel something
    should be done about that injustice to redress what happened.

    From this seed was born the reparations movement, the idea that those
    who suffered should be compensated. But the problem is that those who
    suffered are dead, as are those who enslaved them. The champions of reparations don't see this as a problem: let the descendants of those
    who kept slaves compensate the descendants of those who were slaves. But
    given how hard (IMPOSSIBLE!) it would be to identify exactly who
    descended from slave owners and who descended from slaves, the leaders
    of the reparations movement simplified things and demand that wealthy
    Western nations give poor African nations staggering sums of money. This
    means that people in Western countries who never owned slaves (and whose ancestors never owned slaves) would compensate many people in Africa who
    were never slaves and who aren't descendants of slaves.

    As if that wasn't a brand new major injustice itself, the host of Bantu
    City Diaries, a black man himself, explains why it would be a really bad
    idea for reparations to be paid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGE_SH-SFE [16 minutes]

    He raised several points that don't usually come up in the traditional discussions around reparations, including the observations that many of
    the people who would benefit from reparations are the descendants of
    those who sold their own fellow blacks into slavery!

    He's very articulate so I'll let him explain the rest in his own words.
    --
    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jun 28 15:50:48 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    It is beyond dispute that the trans-Atlantic slave trade was appalling
    and abhorrent. Many people suffered and died while others prospered at
    their expense. A great injustice - or rather millions of injustices -
    took place and it's understandable that some people feel something
    should be done about that injustice to redress what happened.

    From this seed was born the reparations movement, the idea that those
    who suffered should be compensated. But the problem is that those who >suffered are dead, as are those who enslaved them. The champions of >reparations don't see this as a problem: let the descendants of those
    who kept slaves compensate the descendants of those who were slaves. But >given how hard (IMPOSSIBLE!) it would be to identify exactly who
    descended from slave owners and who descended from slaves, the leaders
    of the reparations movement simplified things and demand that wealthy >Western nations give poor African nations staggering sums of money. This >means that people in Western countries who never owned slaves (and whose >ancestors never owned slaves) would compensate many people in Africa who >were never slaves and who aren't descendants of slaves.

    In some cases, you'd be compensating descendants of tribes who had
    captured members of enemy tribes to be sold into the trns-Atlantic slave
    trade.

    As if that wasn't a brand new major injustice itself, the host of Bantu
    City Diaries, a black man himself, explains why it would be a really bad >idea for reparations to be paid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGE_SH-SFE [16 minutes]

    He raised several points that don't usually come up in the traditional >discussions around reparations, including the observations that many of
    the people who would benefit from reparations are the descendants of
    those who sold their own fellow blacks into slavery!

    Yes.

    He's very articulate so I'll let him explain the rest in his own words.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jun 28 17:48:07 2026
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    On Jun 28, 2026 at 8:50:48 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    It is beyond dispute that the trans-Atlantic slave trade was appalling
    and abhorrent. Many people suffered and died while others prospered at
    their expense. A great injustice - or rather millions of injustices -
    took place and it's understandable that some people feel something
    should be done about that injustice to redress what happened.

    From this seed was born the reparations movement, the idea that those
    who suffered should be compensated. But the problem is that those who
    suffered are dead, as are those who enslaved them. The champions of
    reparations don't see this as a problem: let the descendants of those
    who kept slaves compensate the descendants of those who were slaves. But
    given how hard (IMPOSSIBLE!) it would be to identify exactly who
    descended from slave owners and who descended from slaves, the leaders
    of the reparations movement simplified things and demand that wealthy
    Western nations give poor African nations staggering sums of money. This
    means that people in Western countries who never owned slaves (and whose
    ancestors never owned slaves) would compensate many people in Africa who
    were never slaves and who aren't descendants of slaves.

    In some cases, you'd be compensating descendants of tribes who had
    captured members of enemy tribes to be sold into the trns-Atlantic slave trade.

    None of that really matters, though, because the actual goal isn't to compensate the descendants of slaves for anything. That's just a fun story
    they tell to facilitate their real goal of wealth redistribution on a massive scale. The moral merit of who receives it are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that we take from those who have it and give it to groups that will vote for Democrats.


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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jun 29 08:53:04 2026
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    On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 11:26:44 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    It is beyond dispute that the trans-Atlantic slave trade was appalling
    and abhorrent. Many people suffered and died while others prospered at
    their expense. A great injustice - or rather millions of injustices -
    took place and it's understandable that some people feel something
    should be done about that injustice to redress what happened.

    From this seed was born the reparations movement, the idea that those
    who suffered should be compensated. But the problem is that those who >suffered are dead, as are those who enslaved them. The champions of >reparations don't see this as a problem: let the descendants of those
    who kept slaves compensate the descendants of those who were slaves. But >given how hard (IMPOSSIBLE!) it would be to identify exactly who
    descended from slave owners and who descended from slaves, the leaders
    of the reparations movement simplified things and demand that wealthy >Western nations give poor African nations staggering sums of money. This >means that people in Western countries who never owned slaves (and whose >ancestors never owned slaves) would compensate many people in Africa who >were never slaves and who aren't descendants of slaves.

    As if that wasn't a brand new major injustice itself, the host of Bantu
    City Diaries, a black man himself, explains why it would be a really bad >idea for reparations to be paid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGE_SH-SFE [16 minutes]

    He raised several points that don't usually come up in the traditional >discussions around reparations, including the observations that many of
    the people who would benefit from reparations are the descendants of
    those who sold their own fellow blacks into slavery!

    He's very articulate so I'll let him explain the rest in his own words.

    How exactly is it the responsibility of the current generation to pay
    for something that happened over 200 years ago?
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