• Re: [OT] Another blow to free speech in Canada

    From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Fri May 8 10:55:10 2026
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    On Fri, 1 May 2026 15:01:35 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Actually, our Charter gives us "freedom of expression" not freedom of >speech. No one has ever explained to me what the difference is but they >didn't SAY "freedom of speech" in the Charter so I assume they meant >something different. Maybe it's a reformulation to cover not just spoken >words but written as well and make it clear both are protected. Or maybe >it's something else. I just don't know.

    The trouble of course with that is that if the language is NOT crystal
    clear the judges will come up with the darnedst interpretations.
    British Columbia is currently going gaga with a case where a Vancouver
    Island native band has gotten a ruling giving them rights over a large
    part of Richmond (a large southern suburb of Vancouver), has ruled
    that these rights supercede "fee simple" land ownership (which is what
    the usual owner of residential property has) and to further top it off
    Indian tribes from Washington State and Alaska adjoining the Canadian
    southern and north-western border are suing as they weren't consulted
    (as this ruling I was earlier kvetching about) before certain land
    developments took place.

    Imagine what would be said if Canadian Indians were making legal
    claims on the US government? (There are a few tribes mostly on the
    prairies - e.g. SK/MB on the Canadian side and MT/ND/MN on the US side
    where there might well be such a case but those were tribes that were
    mostly hunter-gatherers moving around as opposed to in BC where things
    were more settled pre-contact) If that happened you would probably
    hear the giggling from DC to the west coast!

    https://vancouversun.com/news/us-tribes-demand-say-key-bc-economic-decisions

    Catch is in Canada things are not at all clear as to what the division
    of powers are between feds and provinces on native matters so things
    often go sideways, almost always to the detriment of the "white man".
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri May 8 18:14:26 2026
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    On May 8, 2026 at 10:55:10 AM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

    On Fri, 1 May 2026 15:01:35 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Actually, our Charter gives us "freedom of expression" not freedom of
    speech. No one has ever explained to me what the difference is but they
    didn't SAY "freedom of speech" in the Charter so I assume they meant
    something different. Maybe it's a reformulation to cover not just spoken
    words but written as well and make it clear both are protected. Or maybe
    it's something else. I just don't know.

    The trouble of course with that is that if the language is NOT crystal
    clear the judges will come up with the darnedst interpretations.
    British Columbia is currently going gaga with a case where a Vancouver
    Island native band has gotten a ruling giving them rights over a large
    part of Richmond (a large southern suburb of Vancouver), has ruled
    that these rights supercede "fee simple" land ownership (which is what
    the usual owner of residential property has) and to further top it off
    Indian tribes from Washington State and Alaska adjoining the Canadian southern and north-western border are suing as they weren't consulted
    (as this ruling I was earlier kvetching about) before certain land developments took place.

    Imagine what would be said if Canadian Indians were making legal
    claims on the US government?

    I can imagine. We'd tell them something Canadian officials can't seem to
    figure out how to do:

    No


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