• Re: OT: Where's my flying car? It's right here....

    From BCFD 36@bcfd36@cruzio.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 1 13:15:43 2026
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    On 8/24/26 08:03, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <116fjon$273di$1@dont-email.me>, BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
    Years ago, I responded on a wreck with the FD at about 3 in the morning.
    When we got there, there was a car in two large pieces (and lots of
    smaller pieces) separated by several yards. There was a teen girl
    standing on the shoulder looking scared. We were expecting the worst.
    The car had been torn in 1/2 at the firewall when it went sideways into
    a redwood. The redwood lost some bark and probably didn't even notice.
    No one is in the car. The only victim was the aforementioned teen girl
    who had just a sprained ankle. We are amazed.

    Did the car turn out to be a splice job? Or did it just break that way randomly on impact?
    --scott

    I'M BACK!

    I wasn't ignoring you, I was out of town.

    In my opinion, the break at the firewall was not random. It hit the tree sideways and impacted at the firewall. I would guess that is the weakest
    spot so it would be a good place to break.
    --
    ----------------

    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)
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  • From BCFD 36@bcfd36@cruzio.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 1 13:37:22 2026
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    On 8/24/26 10:28, BobbieSellers wrote:
    On 8/24/26 08:03, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <116fjon$273di$1@dont-email.me>, BCFD 36
    <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
    Years ago, I responded on a wreck with the FD at about 3 in the morning. >>> When we got there, there was a car in two large pieces (and lots of
    smaller pieces) separated by several yards. There was a teen girl
    standing on the shoulder looking scared. We were expecting the worst.
    The car had been torn in 1/2 at the firewall when it went sideways into
    a redwood. The redwood lost some bark and probably didn't even notice.
    No one is in the car. The only victim was the aforementioned teen girl
    who had just a sprained ankle. We are amazed.

    Did the car turn out to be a splice job?-a Or did it just break that way
    randomly on impact?
    --scott

    -a-a-a-aNo it was not random but not pre-planned.
    -a-a-a-aThe frame broke at that point. The interior floor and roof tore when the frame broke.

    -a-a-a-abliss
    I would mostly agree with the above, but I believe that the body may
    bolted to the firewall where the bolts broke. And there may not have
    been an actual frame at all but a unibody or something similar instead.
    But this was at least 15 years ago and some of the details are hazy. The
    one detail I do remember was that at about 3:20 or so my SON shows up at
    the scene, unbeknownst to me. One of my guys comes up and says, "Hey,
    Cap! Robert is down at the roadblock and wants to talk to you." WTF!!!

    It seems that the girl in the wreck had called him to come pick her up.
    They weren't even boyfriend/girlfriend. We couldn't let her go with him
    since she wasn't 18 yet and her parents had to come get her. I also
    remember that it was a Friday or Saturday night, he was sober (ish?) and
    I wasn't worried about him driving. Having come from a party, I was
    somewhat surprised, but he also knew that I'd have had a large chunk of
    his ass if I caught him driving after drinking.
    --
    ----------------

    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)
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  • From quadibloc@quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 5 14:13:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying
    cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it
    seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that
    we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship
    you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind
    it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without
    my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's
    actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain
    materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand,
    is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate
    their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar
    objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.

    John Savard
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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 5 09:10:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 14:13:39 GMT, quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
    wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying
    cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it
    seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal >transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that
    we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship
    you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind
    it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without
    my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's >actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain >materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand,
    is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate
    their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar
    objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.
    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the
    basic problem:
    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 5 14:22:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/5/2026 12:10 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 14:13:39 GMT, quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying
    cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it
    seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal
    transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that
    we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship
    you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind
    it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without
    my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's
    actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain
    materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand,
    is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate
    their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar
    objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.

    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the
    basic problem:

    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?

    I expect that control would have to be taken out of the hands of
    the driver, for the most part.

    We already have separate flight levels for different directions.
    I expect t that with some V2V (vehicle to vehicle) communication,
    some basic 'rules of the road', and enough smarts in the vehicles,
    the amount of human ATC needed would be minimal.

    pt
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 5 14:57:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/5/2026 11:22 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 9/5/2026 12:10 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 14:13:39 GMT, quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying
    cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it
    seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal
    transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that
    we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship
    you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind
    it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without
    my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's
    actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain
    materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand,
    is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate
    their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar
    objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.

    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the
    basic problem:

    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?

    I expect that control would have to be taken out of the hands of
    the driver, for the most part.

    I believe the Great Poobah Overlord Musk has proclaimed this already fixed.
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.
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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Sep 6 09:39:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sat, 5 Sep 2026 14:22:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/2026 12:10 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 14:13:39 GMT, quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying
    cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it
    seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal
    transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that
    we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship
    you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind
    it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without
    my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's
    actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain
    materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand,
    is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate
    their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar
    objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.

    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the
    basic problem:

    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?

    I expect that control would have to be taken out of the hands of
    the driver, for the most part.
    This may work in police states, but the USA still resists that sort of
    thing. This is the Wild West effect.
    We already have separate flight levels for different directions.
    I expect t that with some V2V (vehicle to vehicle) communication,
    some basic 'rules of the road', and enough smarts in the vehicles,
    the amount of human ATC needed would be minimal.
    To put what I said in these terms, current drivers have trouble with
    /only one flight level/ (ground level). This greatly simplifies
    things, as long as they stay on the road, at least.
    And, of course, reviving DOGE might well remove all of that, who can
    say?
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Sep 6 14:07:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/6/2026 12:39 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Sep 2026 14:22:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/5/2026 12:10 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 14:13:39 GMT, quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying
    cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it >>>> seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal
    transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that
    we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship
    you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind
    it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without
    my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's
    actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain
    materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand,
    is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate
    their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar
    objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.

    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the
    basic problem:

    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?

    I expect that control would have to be taken out of the hands of
    the driver, for the most part.

    This may work in police states, but the USA still resists that sort of
    thing. This is the Wild West effect.

    As I type, Musk is introducing driverless robotaxis to US cities,
    starting with Austin. They have no steering wheels or pedals, and
    routing is completely out of the hands of the passengers.

    Waymo is doing similar, and is ahead of Tesla on deployment.

    If people find that acceptable in 2D, why would they not in 3D?

    pt

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  • From BobbieSellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Sep 6 11:22:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/6/26 11:07, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 9/6/2026 12:39 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Sep 2026 14:22:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/5/2026 12:10 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 14:13:39 GMT, quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying >>>>> cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it >>>>> seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal
    transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that >>>>> we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship >>>>> you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind >>>>> it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without >>>>> my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's >>>>> actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain >>>>> materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand, >>>>> is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate >>>>> their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar >>>>> objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.

    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the >>>> basic problem:

    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?

    I expect that control would have to be taken out of the hands of
    the driver, for the most part.

    This may work in police states, but the USA still resists that sort of
    thing. This is the Wild West effect.

    As I type, Musk is introducing driverless robotaxis to US cities,
    starting with Austin. They have no steering wheels or pedals, and
    routing is completely out of the hands of the passengers.

    Waymo is doing similar, and is ahead of Tesla on deployment.

    If people find that acceptable in 2D, why would they not in 3D?

    pt

    We have such vehicles along with the more usual stuff running
    around town. Haven't seen passengers yet and I do not know which
    company is behind these strange contraptions. We have lots of
    driver-less vehicles running around San Francisco as well as powered unicycles, electric bicycles and motorcycles, and scooters both
    gas and electric powered. So far no robotic delivery devices visible.
    Oh and lots of motorcycles from Harleys & BMWs on down. New Triumphs and
    some occasional Indians of recent vintage but old styling.

    Personally missing the old BSAs, Velocettes and Arials.
    I saw an electric motorcycle with rigid saddlebag and top box
    called the Zero 5 and looked it up online. Not a great range but
    $18,000+ list price. Far too rich for my old blood and depleted
    wallet.

    bliss
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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Sep 7 14:08:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 14:07:41 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/6/2026 12:39 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Sep 2026 14:22:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/5/2026 12:10 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 14:13:39 GMT, quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
    wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 09:46:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point, we're going to have to call this classic fannish
    lament fulfilled.

    But _real_ flying cars don't rely on propellers or even jets! They
    work by means of antigravity! So we're a long time from _real_ flying >>>>> cars becoming real, even if second-rate flying cars are real now.

    And, of course, thanks to 9/11, the oil crisis, and global warming, it >>>>> seems as though it will be very unlikely for the kind of flying car
    we're capable of making to become the dominant means of personal
    transportation, relegating the earthbound automobile to the history
    books.

    If only antigravity were as simple as mining crystals on Mars so that >>>>> we could fill buoyancy tanks with the Jasoomian eighth ray. If I
    remember correctly, we're going to have to go all the way to Alpha
    Centauri before we can find any dilithium to mine.

    Which reminds me... if an object is moving faster than any spaceship >>>>> you can build, it's only impossible to intercept it if you're behind >>>>> it, not if you're in front of it.

    We missed 'Oumuamua. We missed 3I/Atlas. And we also missed, without >>>>> my even hearing about it, 2I/Borisov. Surely it's time to place a
    fleet of automated interceptor vehicles in our Solar System! Well,
    maybe not. As we apparently don't live in a comic-book universe, it's >>>>> actually extremely unlikely that an interstellar object would contain >>>>> materials unknown to science with useful fantastic properties, like
    powering a shrinking ray and its corresponding enlarging ray, for
    example.

    Finding materials unknown to science with properties that could be
    useful, if we find a way to produce them in bulk, on the other hand, >>>>> is quite possible: but a vastly cheaper way to do that is to simulate >>>>> their properties on large computers instead of catching interstellar >>>>> objects. So we'll just have to be content with super-strong and
    super-light structural materials, while doing without new elements
    that can supply antigravity, power FTL drives, or power shrinking
    rays.

    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the >>>> basic problem:

    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?

    I expect that control would have to be taken out of the hands of
    the driver, for the most part.

    This may work in police states, but the USA still resists that sort of
    thing. This is the Wild West effect.

    As I type, Musk is introducing driverless robotaxis to US cities,
    starting with Austin. They have no steering wheels or pedals, and
    routing is completely out of the hands of the passengers.

    Waymo is doing similar, and is ahead of Tesla on deployment.

    If people find that acceptable in 2D, why would they not in 3D?
    What makes you think people find thm "acceptable"? The lack of mobs
    with pitchforks and torches raiding the companies ots? So far, anyway.
    Perhaps they will be the next Server Farms.
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  • From Titus G@noone@nowhere.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 22 12:29:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 07/09/2026 06:07, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 9/6/2026 12:39 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Sep 2026 14:22:50 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/2026 12:10 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    snip
    All this stuff on flying cars has been interesting, but it ignores the >>>> basic problem:
    most drivers can't manage doing it without accidents in two
    dimensions. Why should we expect them to do any better in three?

    I expect that control would have to be taken out of the hands of
    the driver, for the most part.

    This may work in police states, but the USA still resists that sort of
    thing. This is the Wild West effect.

    Halfway there. (As an ICE state.)

    As I type, Musk is introducing driverless robotaxis to US cities,
    starting with Austin. They have no steering wheels or pedals, and
    routing is completely out of the hands of the passengers.
    Waymo is doing similar, and is ahead of Tesla on deployment.

    If people find that acceptable in 2D, why would they not in 3D?

    Perhaps it is partly due to the difference between owning and renting?
    Your Wild West effect favours control implying ownership. But if renting (including hiring a robotaxi), then maybe a Compliant East effect applies.
    Only Communists are happy not to personally own stuff and our Corporate Overlords would rather rent than sell. There has been no or little Wild
    West effect on the ownership of ebooks, nor data storage. Next, cars!
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