Who has?
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Who has?
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something. Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire ><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems >squarely science fiction to me.
Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name ><YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.
On 2026-08-05 05:51:55 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
Andy Weir probably made quite a bit of money selling his books to
Hollyweird for "The Martian" and "Project Hail Mary".
George Lucas got very very rich writing sci-fi thanks to his "little >sideline" called "Star Wars". :-)
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
On 5/08/2026 3:51 pm, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
WHAT?? You've written Sci-Fi, Lynn!! Might I have read any??
Oh!! WAIT!! ;-P
----
Daniel70
Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire ><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems >squarely science fiction to me.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.
That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw >evidence.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your
Name <YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard
details or saw evidence.
Hearsay and rumours just need faith... they don't need details
or evidence. (Pretty much like religions!)
Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire ><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems >squarely science fiction to me.
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt ><blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something. Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> writes:
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On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems >>squarely science fiction to me.
Two words - Glory Road.
On 2026-08-05 05:51:55 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
Andy Weir probably made quite a bit of money selling his books to
Hollyweird for "The Martian" and "Project Hail Mary".
George Lucas got very very rich writing sci-fi thanks to his "little sideline" called "Star Wars".-a :-)
Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.
That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw evidence.
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something. Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems squarely science fiction to me.
In article <xn0pt5wgdd02vtn002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
Atheists are highly delusional and unstable.
Pagan influence.
On 8/5/26 00:19, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-08-05 05:51:55 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
Andy Weir probably made quite a bit of money selling his books to
Hollyweird for "The Martian" and "Project Hail Mary".
George Lucas got very very rich writing sci-fi thanks to his "little
sideline" called "Star Wars".-a :-)
And you all leave out George R. R. Martin and
"Game of Thrones" which must have put a pretty penny
in his pocket.
But when Hubbard was writing and he wrote
Speculative Fiction he was correct that he would
not get rich doing that. So he wrote a Religion
called the "Science of Dianetics" which became
with slight embellishment "Scientology" which
claims religious status thus tax free in many
regimes.
And i am clear that it is a scam.
Buddhism of most varieties is cheaper.
bliss
On 8/5/26 03:33, The True Melissa wrote:
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<YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.
That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw
evidence.
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
But YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
Not that I think it is more than coincidence.
On 8/5/2026 1:51 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven
Lynn
Niven, at least, was rich to start with. His
family comes from California oil money.
pt
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something. Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
Well why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Actually before writing they were passed down orally. That
led to forgetting important details like the fact that most of the >patriarchs have the names of women. Judaism was originally a
matriarchal religion as shown in the rule that Only a Jewish
woman can birth Jewish men. The rite of circumcision which
was Egyptian as well is meant to match the menstrual flow
in magical power.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
Look at the rules and you will see that it was meant to enrich
the priestly families the cohens and the levites. When they sacrificed
an animal the god only got the skin bones and fat burned. The high
protein part went to the people who slaughtered the animal.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
Oh it is all about real estate and God is dragged into it for
the foolish soldiers who kill each other.
WW I "Gott Mit Uns"
bliss
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On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.
That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw evidence.
On 8/5/2026 6:32 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems
squarely science fiction to me.
He did both.
Lost Legacy.
Magic Inc.
A lot of Glory Road
I'm sure there are more.
pt
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On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems squarely science fiction to me.
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
But YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
Not that I think it is more than coincidence.
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
led to forgetting important details like the fact that most of the patriarchs have the names of women. Judaism was originally a
matriarchal religion as shown in the rule that Only a Jewish
woman can birth Jewish men.-a The rite of circumcision which
was Egyptian as well is meant to match the menstrual flow
in magical power.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
-a-a-a-aLook at the rules and you will see that it was meant to enrich
the priestly families the cohens and the levites.-a When they sacrificed
an animal the god only got the skin bones and fat burned. The high
protein part went to the people who slaughtered the animal.
--Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
-a-a-a-aOh it is all about real estate and God is dragged into it for
the foolish soldiers who kill each other.
-a-a-a-aWW I "Gott Mit Uns"
-a-a-a-abliss
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING DOWN after they had composed it, otherwise how could they possibly remember
any of it? How could Parry even verify the it was a "tradition"
otherwise? He even concluded at the start of his doctoral thesis that he wouldn't possible do so, it was all speculation.
NO ONE can possibly compose, not one, but two poems consisting of 15,000
and 12,000 verses of hexameter each in a dialect NO ONE spoke 400 years later at the time of Herodotus who spoke the closest living descendent
of Homeric Greek, without the use of writing, let alone have passed it
on in that now extinct dialect. PERIOD! Even Parry accepted from the
very beginning that the Iliad and the Odyssey were written down and that
is why they remained unchained for 400 years even until the time of Herodotus who was able to verify the age of these works by comparing
them with literature which came after them which could be precisely
dated and whose dialects were clearly older than that of Herodotus but
more recent than Homer. Parry himself stated that oral poetry must necessarily undergo substantial change by every oral poet who acquires
it and retells it in his own way. Parry stated that this poetry was
passed down IN WRITING not orally, was then changed during performance
and then written down immediately afterwards. WRITTEN DOWN!
Parry's only substantiated claim was that oral poets used stock phrases
in their composition. And how did Parry substantiate this? Because those stock phrases had already been written down in writing beforehand,
before they were learned by the oral poets. To Parry who invented this BULLSHIT, oral tradition emerged from an existing written tradition
through corruption of the original literature and the creation of new literature.
There is NO SUCH THING as Oral Tradition. What parry was writing about
was Composition Through Oral Performance, which he admitted could not
even be proven to be a tradition and which was facilitated by the use of writing.
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
On 8/5/26 07:44, The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pt5wgdd02vtn002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
Atheists are highly delusional and unstable.
I am a agnostic Deist and I want to know where under
the Sun you have a reference to prove that is not a religious
statement by fundamentalists of some deistic religion.
--Pagan influence.
Countryman influence.
bliss - by experience and study
On 05/08/2026 11:33, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.
That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw
evidence.
It was derived from a science fiction novel which he wrote after which
he and his publisher used ideas from that to come up with Dianetics
which after it went bankrupt Hubbard decided to come up with Scientology
as a derivative of it but copyright all of the literature and its
derivative works and licence this alternative to psychiatry to others
who wanted to practice it for a fee.
When it went foul of US laws which required medical claims to be >scientifically proven after all the psychiatrists complained it was
taking away all of their business, Hubbard turned it into a religion
because as a religion its medical claims about mental health did not
need any scientific proof since religion is based on faith. As an added >benefit religious organisations were regarded as charities and didn't
have to pay most taxes so Scientology made a huge profit and Hubbard was >then chased around the world by the IRS for alleged tax evasion and died
a fugitive.
All the stuff about aliens visiting Earth in the past had to be inserted >into the teaching material for the benefit of the authorities so as to >justify calling it a religion.
So basically Scientology flourished thanks to the US authorities trying
to outlaw it
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 8/5/26 03:32, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuireHeinlen's work was sold to Sci-Fiction magazines but a lot of
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems
squarely science fiction to me.
it is clearly Fantasy unless Lazarus Long will please check in?
In his youth science had not yet discovered its limits to
travel, nor to life so he could write convincingly about things
we now find impossible. But we believed in lots of things since
revealed to be unlikely such as the idea that America was always
doing the right thing, that voters could pick the best man for
whatever elected position and that what was good for General Motors
was good for the USA.
Verily, in article <114vlbl$33ot8$3@dont-email.me>, did BobbieSellers ><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >> > read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >> > what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >> > When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >> > Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
But YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
Not that I think it is more than coincidence.
He began as a god of volcanoes, though. He became god of storms when he >crowded out Baal.
This is a great video which examines the Bible and concludes that Yahweh
was originally envisoned as a dragon, not a human.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogaHpV5oUs
That certainly has some interesting ties to Gnostic thinking.
There's probably a better newsgroup for this.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING DOWNThe oral tradition is real and preexisted written
You have to have a written language before you can write anything down.
Homer's works were composed in writing. They could not have been
composed otherwise let alone transmitted in a dialect no one else spoke. Some stock phrases were repeated over and over again because they were derived from earlier WRITTEN material containing earlier poetry which
Parry and no one can verify contained those phrases because those texts
were not longer extant even in the time of Herodotus.
The ancient Greeks possessed writing since 1900 BC in the from of Linear Syllabic script which was in constant use and never died out until 300
BC when Cypriot Syllabic was completely replaced with the regular Greek Alphabet.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
-a-a-a-a-aLook at the rules and you will see that it was meant to enrich
the priestly families the cohens and the levites.-a When they sacrificed
an animal the god only got the skin bones and fat burned. The high
protein part went to the people who slaughtered the animal.
That was imported from Greek religion because of what Zeus did to Prometheus.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
-a-a-a-a-aOh it is all about real estate and God is dragged into it for
the foolish soldiers who kill each other.
-a-a-a-a-aWW I "Gott Mit Uns"
-a-a-a-a-abliss
On 8/5/26 09:04, The True Melissa wrote:
as a tagThe meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The meek formerly did inherit the Earth
each got a 6X6X3 plot but these days
such space is expensive so we will have
to settle for a jar for our ashes.
bliss
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral >traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING DOWN >after they had composed it, otherwise how could they possibly remember
any of it? How could Parry even verify the it was a "tradition"
otherwise? He even concluded at the start of his doctoral thesis that he >wouldn't possible do so, it was all speculation.
NO ONE can possibly compose, not one, but two poems consisting of 15,000
and 12,000 verses of hexameter each in a dialect NO ONE spoke 400 years >later at the time of Herodotus who spoke the closest living descendent
of Homeric Greek, without the use of writing, let alone have passed it
on in that now extinct dialect. PERIOD! Even Parry accepted from the
very beginning that the Iliad and the Odyssey were written down and that
is why they remained unchained for 400 years even until the time of >Herodotus who was able to verify the age of these works by comparing
them with literature which came after them which could be precisely
dated and whose dialects were clearly older than that of Herodotus but
more recent than Homer. Parry himself stated that oral poetry must >necessarily undergo substantial change by every oral poet who acquires
it and retells it in his own way. Parry stated that this poetry was
passed down IN WRITING not orally, was then changed during performance
and then written down immediately afterwards. WRITTEN DOWN!
Parry's only substantiated claim was that oral poets used stock phrases
in their composition. And how did Parry substantiate this? Because those >stock phrases had already been written down in writing beforehand,
before they were learned by the oral poets. To Parry who invented this >BULLSHIT, oral tradition emerged from an existing written tradition
through corruption of the original literature and the creation of new >literature.
There is NO SUCH THING as Oral Tradition. What parry was writing about
was Composition Through Oral Performance, which he admitted could not
even be proven to be a tradition and which was facilitated by the use of >writing.
Homer's works were composed in writing. They could not have been
composed otherwise let alone transmitted in a dialect no one else spoke. >Some stock phrases were repeated over and over again because they were >derived from earlier WRITTEN material containing earlier poetry which
Parry and no one can verify contained those phrases because those texts
were not longer extant even in the time of Herodotus.
The ancient Greeks possessed writing since 1900 BC in the from of Linear >Syllabic script which was in constant use and never died out until 300
BC when Cypriot Syllabic was completely replaced with the regular Greek >Alphabet.
In mainland Greece the alphabet was brought to Greece by the >Greek-Phoenician king Cadmus in 1430 BC (given in the Chronicon as an
EXACT date that was never disputed) who founded Thebes. According to
Pliny, by 1200 BC just before the Trojan War was fought the Alphabet has >spread throughout most of the Greek world and was used for writing the
Greek language. Archaeology PROVES this dating to be accurate beyond
dispute since at least 5 derivative scripts, the earliest examples of
which date to 800-700 BC, were used to write different delicts of Greek
on the mainland, the Greek islands, the Greek colonies in Asia-Minor and
in Italy. Mathematical regression PROVES that the adoption of the Greek >Alphabet was no later than 1200 BC, before these migrations occurred. >Mathematical regression also PROVES that Homeric Greek (Epic Ionic)
dates to no later than 800 BC.
Even the epic of Gilgamesh uses repeated stock phrases and paragraphs,
and we KNOW that that was composed in writing 5000 years ago and these
is no disputing this. The use of repetition is the primary reason why
the text was able to be reconstructed from 3200 year-old or older clay >tablets where half of the text had decayed, so Parry was wrong again
even concerning repetition. Repetition isn't evidence of oral
composition. It's evidence of WRITTEN composition which require its use
as an error correction mechanism to preserve the work on perishable >materials.
led to forgetting important details like the fact that most of the
patriarchs have the names of women. Judaism was originally a
There's plenty of names of women in the Bible starting with Eve. If
someone didn't do anything notable, like most women of the period, such
as dying in battle, why would their names be preserved? Look at how we >preserve the names of our war dead even today.
matriarchal religion as shown in the rule that Only a Jewish
BOLLOCKS!
woman can birth Jewish men.-a The rite of circumcision which
That has nothing to do with matriarchy. It's an issue to do with
paternity. In those times before the discovery of DNA you couldn't
verify someone was actually the son of who the mother claimed them to
be, therefore babies born to foreign women by alleged Jewish fathers,
and remember the Jews were a race, were probably the sons of foreigners
that these foreign whores slept with, such as Joshua. And even then this >didn't apply to Solomon who married foreigners.
was Egyptian as well is meant to match the menstrual flow
in magical power.
More bollocks. Circumcision was to reduce the chance of men who
regularly slept with prostitutes from passing on venereal diseases.
There's a whole chapter in the Bible devoted to one such occasion
Genesis 11 or 12 where Abraham prostitutes his sister-wife Sarah to
Pharaoh and he and his entire household are infected with VD attributed
to the wrath of God. Then Abraham plays the same trick on Abimelech, and
his son Isaac plays it again on Abimelech's son Abimelech.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
-a-a-a-aLook at the rules and you will see that it was meant to enrich
the priestly families the cohens and the levites.-a When they sacrificed
an animal the god only got the skin bones and fat burned. The high
protein part went to the people who slaughtered the animal.
That was imported from Greek religion because of what Zeus did to >Prometheus.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
-a-a-a-aOh it is all about real estate and God is dragged into it for
the foolish soldiers who kill each other.
-a-a-a-aWW I "Gott Mit Uns"
-a-a-a-abliss
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING DOWN
after they had composed it, otherwise how could they possibly remember
any of it? How could Parry even verify the it was a "tradition"
otherwise? He even concluded at the start of his doctoral thesis that he
wouldn't possible do so, it was all speculation.
NO ONE can possibly compose, not one, but two poems consisting of 15,000
and 12,000 verses of hexameter each in a dialect NO ONE spoke 400 years
later at the time of Herodotus who spoke the closest living descendent
of Homeric Greek, without the use of writing, let alone have passed it
on in that now extinct dialect. PERIOD! Even Parry accepted from the
very beginning that the Iliad and the Odyssey were written down and that
is why they remained unchained for 400 years even until the time of
Herodotus who was able to verify the age of these works by comparing
them with literature which came after them which could be precisely
dated and whose dialects were clearly older than that of Herodotus but
more recent than Homer. Parry himself stated that oral poetry must
necessarily undergo substantial change by every oral poet who acquires
it and retells it in his own way. Parry stated that this poetry was
passed down IN WRITING not orally, was then changed during performance
and then written down immediately afterwards. WRITTEN DOWN!
Parry's only substantiated claim was that oral poets used stock phrases
in their composition. And how did Parry substantiate this? Because those
stock phrases had already been written down in writing beforehand,
before they were learned by the oral poets. To Parry who invented this
BULLSHIT, oral tradition emerged from an existing written tradition
through corruption of the original literature and the creation of new
literature.
There is NO SUCH THING as Oral Tradition. What parry was writing about
was Composition Through Oral Performance, which he admitted could not
even be proven to be a tradition and which was facilitated by the use of
writing.
Can we drop the expletives?
Memorizing epic poems is something people really do.--
Today, you can find 'oral repositories' in many pre-literate cultures >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oral_repositories
That includes people who know the longest poem in the world, the
Epic of Manas, 20 times the length of the Odyssey and Iliad. There
are people who can recite this today. They exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Manas
pt
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and
Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell us.
They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of the people
who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions were ancestor cults.
We can even date the exact time at which these gods lived as historical >kings of the people who made them into gods because of the benefits they >gave to them. All the Greek gods date to around 1700 BC according to the >Chronicon. They were basically Minoan period kings that ruled over
Greece and Phoenicia (Philo, Porphyry, Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods >were the direct ancestors of the PharaohrCOs who preceded the first
Pharaoh Min (Herodotus citing the Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of
the Pharaohs back to the time of Min himself).
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who
controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people who
lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The One, and
that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named Proteus according
to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh Setnakte. Other Pharaohs
that were turned into the god of the Jews (not all of them were regarded
as gods when they were opposed by other Pharaohs, which is why the bible >talks about prophets of false gods) include Ramses III the god of Joshua
and Necho (named in the Bible) who as the Bible describes handed over
the land of Syria-Palestine to Nebuchadnezzar II, as corroborated by >Herodotus and the inscription of Nebuchadnezzar II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of >Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was dedicated.
Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo),
Set/Sutekh/Suduc/Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal Hadad
who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later Adonis and thus
the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was Kronos or Saturn and is >testified to in Linear A inscriptions at the Cretan king Satur dating to >around 1700 BC the same time as when El lived. Jehovah's name is
preserved in Egyptian inscriptions from the same period as Meruserenre >Yakubher, and this explains why the Jews worshipped the successive
Pharaoh's of Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with Dagon
and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite), Ashera (Rhea),
and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also a daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that El
gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have claim to be
his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to Jehovah,
Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in the Baal Epic
which explained why the Elephantine letters describe her as the wife of >Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the heaven
and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They were the god who >fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen as ruler, after which he >castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God means the >Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord means Adonsi >(Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 8/5/26 10:25, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Ignorance is the deepest root of all.
Language once invented made it possible to invent stories
about the gods and the strange reasons that they did things to
people like disease and striking down people with lightening
and horrid diseases.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
Because they were ignorant and had to invent reasons for the
reality around them.
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Not true. The Jewish elders in BC decided on the contents to be
included in the Old Testament. The Catholics agreed that this happened
then they decided at various councils what could be included in the
New Testament.
And strangely enough it was nothing that could
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
And why did the Romans and earlier the Greeks lament the invention of
writing as destructive of memory?
The oral tradition is real and preexisted written
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING DOWN
You have to have a written language before you can write anything down.
language. Parry was a victim of writing and had lost contact with
his own memory.
.
Homer's works were composed in writing. They could not have been
composed otherwise let alone transmitted in a dialect no one else spoke.
Some stock phrases were repeated over and over again because they were
derived from earlier WRITTEN material containing earlier poetry which
Parry and no one can verify contained those phrases because those texts
were not longer extant even in the time of Herodotus.
Baloney! I used to drink and compose poetry while inspired by
Backus and Sileneus, speaking in a figurative sense. It is easy to do
if you have a organized memory or not.
Again you have to have written language first and language itself was
an invention. You have to have it before you can invent
a written language.
The ancient Greeks possessed writing since 1900 BC in the from of Linear
Syllabic script which was in constant use and never died out until 300
BC when Cypriot Syllabic was completely replaced with the regular Greek
Alphabet.
And the Trojan War was not that long before:
From Wiki:
The earliest written evidence is a Linear B clay tablet found in
Messenia that dates to between 1450 and 1350 BC, [21] making Greek the >world's oldest recorded living language. [22] Among the Indo-European >languages,
You like the word bollocks but I think most of what you write is
just that, Patriachal Bollocks.
The handle you use here The True Doctor reminds me of the
Doctress who used be a a regular annoyance.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
No the original idea was control of the people through the common
beliefs whether multiple or unitary divinity.
-a-a-a-a-aLook at the rules and you will see that it was meant to enrich >>> the priestly families the cohens and the levites.-a When they sacrificed >>> an animal the god only got the skin bones and fat burned. The high
protein part went to the people who slaughtered the animal.
That was imported from Greek religion because of what Zeus did to
Prometheus.
The Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is who
profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
-a-a-a-a-aOh it is all about real estate and God is dragged into it for
the foolish soldiers who kill each other.
-a-a-a-a-aWW I "Gott Mit Uns"
-a-a-a-a-abliss
Don't depend on outworn scholarship to defend your religion.
Join Dalton in obscurity.
bliss - through study and experience
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something. Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING
DOWN after they had composed it, otherwise how could they possibly
remember any of it? How could Parry even verify the it was a
"tradition" otherwise? He even concluded at the start of his doctoral
thesis that he wouldn't possible do so, it was all speculation.
NO ONE can possibly compose, not one, but two poems consisting of
15,000 and 12,000 verses of hexameter each in a dialect NO ONE spoke
400 years later at the time of Herodotus who spoke the closest living
descendent of Homeric Greek, without the use of writing, let alone
have passed it on in that now extinct dialect. PERIOD! Even Parry
accepted from the very beginning that the Iliad and the Odyssey were
written down and that is why they remained unchained for 400 years
even until the time of Herodotus who was able to verify the age of
these works by comparing them with literature which came after them
which could be precisely dated and whose dialects were clearly older
than that of Herodotus but more recent than Homer. Parry himself
stated that oral poetry must necessarily undergo substantial change by
every oral poet who acquires it and retells it in his own way. Parry
stated that this poetry was passed down IN WRITING not orally, was
then changed during performance and then written down immediately
afterwards. WRITTEN DOWN!
Parry's only substantiated claim was that oral poets used stock
phrases in their composition. And how did Parry substantiate this?
Because those stock phrases had already been written down in writing
beforehand, before they were learned by the oral poets. To Parry who
invented this BULLSHIT, oral tradition emerged from an existing
written tradition through corruption of the original literature and
the creation of new literature.
There is NO SUCH THING as Oral Tradition. What parry was writing about
was Composition Through Oral Performance, which he admitted could not
even be proven to be a tradition and which was facilitated by the use
of writing.
Can we drop the expletives?
Memorizing epic poems is something people really do.
Today, you can find 'oral repositories' in many pre-literate cultures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oral_repositories
That includes people who know the longest poem in the world, the
Epic of Manas, 20 times the length of the Odyssey and Iliad. There
are people who can recite this today. They exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Manas--
pt
In article <114vl64$33ot8$2@dont-email.me>,
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/5/26 03:33, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your NameNo dare. He wanted to escape taxes.
<YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.
That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw >>> evidence.
Got you.
Verily, in article <114vlbl$33ot8$3@dont-email.me>, did BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
But YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
Not that I think it is more than coincidence.
He began as a god of volcanoes, though. He became god of storms when he crowded out Baal.
This is a great video which examines the Bible and concludes that Yahweh
was originally envisoned as a dragon, not a human.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogaHpV5oUs
That certainly has some interesting ties to Gnostic thinking.
There's probably a better newsgroup for this.
Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Who has?
Are you including fantasy?
Robert Heinlein
You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems squarely science fiction to me.
On 05/08/2026 18:58, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles >>>> for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING
DOWN after they had composed it, otherwise how could they possibly
remember any of it? How could Parry even verify the it was a
"tradition" otherwise? He even concluded at the start of his doctoral
thesis that he wouldn't possible do so, it was all speculation.
NO ONE can possibly compose, not one, but two poems consisting of
15,000 and 12,000 verses of hexameter each in a dialect NO ONE spoke
400 years later at the time of Herodotus who spoke the closest living
descendent of Homeric Greek, without the use of writing, let alone
have passed it on in that now extinct dialect. PERIOD! Even Parry
accepted from the very beginning that the Iliad and the Odyssey were
written down and that is why they remained unchained for 400 years
even until the time of Herodotus who was able to verify the age of
these works by comparing them with literature which came after them
which could be precisely dated and whose dialects were clearly older
than that of Herodotus but more recent than Homer. Parry himself
stated that oral poetry must necessarily undergo substantial change
by every oral poet who acquires it and retells it in his own way.
Parry stated that this poetry was passed down IN WRITING not orally,
was then changed during performance and then written down immediately
afterwards. WRITTEN DOWN!
Parry's only substantiated claim was that oral poets used stock
phrases in their composition. And how did Parry substantiate this?
Because those stock phrases had already been written down in writing
beforehand, before they were learned by the oral poets. To Parry who
invented this BULLSHIT, oral tradition emerged from an existing
written tradition through corruption of the original literature and
the creation of new literature.
There is NO SUCH THING as Oral Tradition. What parry was writing
about was Composition Through Oral Performance, which he admitted
could not even be proven to be a tradition and which was facilitated
by the use of writing.
Can we drop the expletives?
Memorizing epic poems is something people really do.
They do nothing of the kind unless they have written texts to follow, no different to memorising Shakespeare which is even longer than your
example, and they don't memorise them in extinct delicts nobody even
speaks.
Today, you can find 'oral repositories' in many pre-literate cultures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oral_repositories
ALL OF WHICH IS PURE BOLLCOCKS.
Even Parry said the oral poets wrote everything down and assumes a pre- existant written culture pretended them. Only a totally and utter
imbecile would assume the absence of writing, especially when it has
existed for over 5000 years, and there's absolutely NOTHING, no poetry,
no history, zitto, NOTHING, that exists before that. NOTHING!
That includes people who know the longest poem in the world, the
Epic of Manas, 20 times the length of the Odyssey and Iliad. There
are people who can recite this today. They exist.
That is also PURE BULLEXCREMENT. The length of the poem is of the
PUBLISHED WRITTEN TEXT. NO ONE has memorised to full text, even after it
was made up and written down.
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and
Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell us.
They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of the people
who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions were ancestor cults.
We can even date the exact time at which these gods lived as historical kings of the people who made them into gods because of the benefits they gave to them. All the Greek gods date to around 1700 BC according to the Chronicon. They were basically Minoan period kings that ruled over
Greece and Phoenicia (Philo, Porphyry, Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods were the direct ancestors of the PharaohrCOs who preceded the first
Pharaoh Min (Herodotus citing the Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of
the Pharaohs back to the time of Min himself).
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who
controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people who
lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The One, and
that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named Proteus according
to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh Setnakte. Other Pharaohs
that were turned into the god of the Jews (not all of them were regarded
as gods when they were opposed by other Pharaohs, which is why the bible talks about prophets of false gods) include Ramses III the god of Joshua
and Necho (named in the Bible) who as the Bible describes handed over
the land of Syria-Palestine to Nebuchadnezzar II, as corroborated by Herodotus and the inscription of Nebuchadnezzar II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was dedicated.
Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo), Set/Sutekh/Suduc/
Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal Hadad
who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later Adonis and thus
the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was Kronos or Saturn and is testified to in Linear A inscriptions at the Cretan king Satur dating to around 1700 BC the same time as when El lived. Jehovah's name is
preserved in Egyptian inscriptions from the same period as Meruserenre Yakubher, and this explains why the Jews worshipped the successive
Pharaoh's of Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with Dagon
and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite), Ashera (Rhea),
and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also a daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that El
gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have claim to be
his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to Jehovah,
Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in the Baal Epic
which explained why the Elephantine letters describe her as the wife of Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the heaven
and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They were the god who fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen as ruler, after which he castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God means the Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord means Adonsi (Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
On 8/5/26 10:25, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
-a-a-a-aIgnorance is the deepest root of all.
-a-a-a-aLanguage once invented made it possible to invent stories
about the gods and the strange reasons that they did things to
people like disease and striking down people with lightening
and horrid diseases.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
-a-a-a-aBecause they were ignorant and had to invent reasons for the
reality around them.
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles
for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-aNot true. The Jewish elders in BC decided on the contents to be included in the Old Testament.-a The Catholics agreed that this happened
then they decided at various councils what could be included in the
New Testament.
-a-a-a-aAnd strangely enough it was nothing that could
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
-a-a-a-aAnd why did the Romans and earlier the Greeks lament the invention of writing as destructive of memory?
-aThe oral tradition is real and preexisted written
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING
DOWN -a-a-a-aYou have to have a written language before you can write
anything down.
language.-a Parry was a victim of writing and had lost contact with
his own memory.
.
Homer's works were composed in writing. They could not have been
composed otherwise let alone transmitted in a dialect no one else
spoke. Some stock phrases were repeated over and over again because
they were derived from earlier WRITTEN material containing earlier
poetry which Parry and no one can verify contained those phrases
because those texts were not longer extant even in the time of Herodotus.
-a-a-a-aBaloney! I used to drink and compose poetry while inspired by
Backus and Sileneus, speaking in a figurative sense.-a It is easy to do
if you have a organized memory or not.
-a-a-a-aAgain you have to have written language first and language itself was an invention.-a You have to have it before you can invent
a written language.
The ancient Greeks possessed writing since 1900 BC in the from of
Linear Syllabic script which was in constant use and never died out
until 300 BC when Cypriot Syllabic was completely replaced with the
regular Greek Alphabet.
-a-a-a-aAnd the Trojan War was not that long before:
From Wiki:
The earliest written evidence is a Linear B clay tablet found in
Messenia that dates to between 1450 and 1350 BC, [21] making Greek the world's oldest recorded living language. [22] Among the Indo-European languages,
You like the word bollocks but I think most of what you write is
just that, Patriachal Bollocks.
The handle you use here The True Doctor reminds me of the
Doctress who used be a a regular annoyance.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
-a-a-a-aNo the original idea was control of the people through the common beliefs whether multiple or unitary divinity.
-a-a-a-a-aLook at the rules and you will see that it was meant to enrich >>> the priestly families the cohens and the levites.-a When they sacrificed >>> an animal the god only got the skin bones and fat burned. The high
protein part went to the people who slaughtered the animal.
That was imported from Greek religion because of what Zeus did to
Prometheus.
-a-a-a-aThe Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is
who profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
-a-a-a-a-aOh it is all about real estate and God is dragged into it for
the foolish soldiers who kill each other.
-a-a-a-a-aWW I "Gott Mit Uns"
-a-a-a-a-abliss
-a-a-a-aDon't depend on outworn scholarship to defend your religion.
-a-a-a-aJoin Dalton in obscurity.
-a-a-a-abliss - through study and experience
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something. Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
The ancient Greek, Phoenician, Hittite, Norse
(Viking/Varangian/Phrygian), Hindu, and Roman religions are all exactly
the same religion and share exactly the same deified Phoenician kings as >their gods. This has been known since Roman times when Philo and
Porphyry translated the Phoenician History of Sanchuniathon.
Kronos was El to the Phoenicians, Saturn to the Romans, Borr to the
Vikings, Kumarbi to the Hittites, and Brahma to the Hindus. His father >Ouranos or Uranus was the Phoenician god Baal-Shamen (sky god), the
Viking god Buri, the Hindu god Varuna, and Hittite god Anu.
Zeus or Jupiter is the Hindu god Deus-Piter and Hittite god Taru/Teshub, >Phoenician god Zeus-Belus/Dashara (probably a cognate of Teshub) and
most likely to have been recorded as the Egyptian Pharaoh Shesi when he >ruled over Egypt.
The Viking god Surtr who fought against Odin and Thor at Ragnarok with
an army of giants and was ultimately defered was the Phoenician God King >Suduc also known as Sutekh or Set and therefore the Greek god Typhon who >fought against Zeus after the defeat of the Giants. This happened in
exactly the year 1628 BC because the events at Ragnarok including the >sinking of Midgard (Middle-Earth) which was Mygdonia in Greece under the >waters and earthquakes and volcanic interruptions were the result of the >Thera Eruption which blasted away 4/5 of the island of Santorini and
caused a Mega Tsuniami which flooded the whole of Greece and Crete and >reached all the way to Cyprus and Egypt. This was also the basis for the >story of the sinking of Atlantis and Noah's Flood since Noah is
identified by Josephus as the Athenian King Ogygus and Roman king Janus
who both lived at this time according to the chronologies of Diodorus
and Syncellus (the year for the eruption is actually spot on with the >chronologies).
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was written in >Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite, Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician, Greek,
and Jewish historical texts from the periods that it covers.
The kings in it as well as the early biblical patriarchs were based on
real historical kings from the region. The gods were those of the >Phoenicians and attributed as personifications of the Pharaoh of Egypt
or whoever ruled over Syria-Palestine at the time as the dominant ruler. >This was originally done in the same manner that Homer has the Greek
gods appearing in the form of the heroes from both sides who fought in
the Trojan War and how the Viking epics have the gods appear as heroes
from those epics. After the Bible was copied over and over just like in >Greek and Viking mythology the names of the heroes or Pharaohs or other >rulers in whose form the gods appeared in were lost and all were
remained were tales of the Gods carrying out the deeds of the original >heroes or Pharaohs of Egypt who generally behaved like genocidal tyrants >which is why the God of the Bible behaves in exactly the same kind of >tyrannical and genocidal manner. Joshua's destruction of Jericho for >examples follows Ramses III's campaign in Palestine in 1175 BC after he >defeated the Sea Peoples, ie. Achaean Greeks and Teukrians led by Teucer
the king of Salamis from Cyprus, the same year Herodotus, Euripides, and >Apollodorus record both Teucer and Menelaus in Egypt 2 years before
Odysseus returns home to Ithaca.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
No. The original idea was to record actual history. Then that history
got turned into epic poems, and then those epic poems were lost or
corrupted and the names of heroes or kings in whose form the Gods
appeared in were lest and all that remained were the names of the Gods
who were inserted into them.
All the shit about them controlling the motions of the stars and the >heavens, and the planets, and the forces of nature came later when the >entire system of organised religion which was nothing more than >institutionalised ancestor worse broke down in Roman times, and that is
why it was so easy for Christianity to take over since it was formed out
of a resistance movement against Roman rule and Jesus and his apostles
were created based on the acts of the main rebels.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
Because it's founded on the actions and behaviour of real life tyrants.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
-a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
On 05/08/2026 18:58, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles >>>> for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING
DOWN after they had composed it, otherwise how could they possibly
remember any of it? How could Parry even verify the it was a
"tradition" otherwise? He even concluded at the start of his doctoral
thesis that he wouldn't possible do so, it was all speculation.
NO ONE can possibly compose, not one, but two poems consisting of
15,000 and 12,000 verses of hexameter each in a dialect NO ONE spoke
400 years later at the time of Herodotus who spoke the closest living
descendent of Homeric Greek, without the use of writing, let alone
have passed it on in that now extinct dialect. PERIOD! Even Parry
accepted from the very beginning that the Iliad and the Odyssey were
written down and that is why they remained unchained for 400 years
even until the time of Herodotus who was able to verify the age of
these works by comparing them with literature which came after them
which could be precisely dated and whose dialects were clearly older
than that of Herodotus but more recent than Homer. Parry himself
stated that oral poetry must necessarily undergo substantial change by
every oral poet who acquires it and retells it in his own way. Parry
stated that this poetry was passed down IN WRITING not orally, was
then changed during performance and then written down immediately
afterwards. WRITTEN DOWN!
Parry's only substantiated claim was that oral poets used stock
phrases in their composition. And how did Parry substantiate this?
Because those stock phrases had already been written down in writing
beforehand, before they were learned by the oral poets. To Parry who
invented this BULLSHIT, oral tradition emerged from an existing
written tradition through corruption of the original literature and
the creation of new literature.
There is NO SUCH THING as Oral Tradition. What parry was writing about
was Composition Through Oral Performance, which he admitted could not
even be proven to be a tradition and which was facilitated by the use
of writing.
Can we drop the expletives?
Memorizing epic poems is something people really do.
They do nothing of the kind unless they have written texts to follow, no >different to memorising Shakespeare which is even longer than your
example, and they don't memorise them in extinct delicts nobody even speaks.
Today, you can find 'oral repositories' in many pre-literate cultures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oral_repositories
ALL OF WHICH IS PURE BOLLCOCKS.
Even Parry said the oral poets wrote everything down and assumes a >pre-existant written culture pretended them. Only a totally and utter >imbecile would assume the absence of writing, especially when it has
existed for over 5000 years, and there's absolutely NOTHING, no poetry,
no history, zitto, NOTHING, that exists before that. NOTHING!
That includes people who know the longest poem in the world, the
Epic of Manas, 20 times the length of the Odyssey and Iliad. There
are people who can recite this today. They exist.
That is also PURE BULLEXCREMENT. The length of the poem is of the
PUBLISHED WRITTEN TEXT. NO ONE has memorised to full text, even after it
was made up and written down.
The events portrayed occurred in the 16th and 17th centuries and writing
has existed for millennia before then. The events were written down, >transcribed into various poems which were then also written down, and
then all of that was eventually published as a single work. I've read
Parry and that's what Parry says or would have told you about oral
poetry. By Parry's own definition if it hasn't undergone substantial
change that can be traced through written transcriptions then it's not
an oral tradition. Only stupid people believe in oral tradition. Parry
knew he could never prove they were traditions at all and says so. It's
oral performance of written texts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Manas
pt
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 2026-08-05 16:04:32 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article <114vlbl$33ot8$3@dont-email.me>, did BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> deliver unto us this message:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*. >>>> Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
But YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
Not that I think it is more than coincidence.
He began as a god of volcanoes, though. He became god of storms when he
crowded out Baal.
This is a great video which examines the Bible and concludes that Yahweh
was originally envisoned as a dragon, not a human.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogaHpV5oUs
That certainly has some interesting ties to Gnostic thinking.
There's probably a better newsgroup for this.
The best places for anything to do with stupid religions and their
looney "believers" would be:
alt.talk.bollocks
alt.idiots
alt.stupid.idiots
alt.morons
alt.stupid.morons
:-p
On 8/5/2026 2:01 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and
Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell us.
They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of the people
who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions were ancestor cults.
We can even date the exact time at which these gods lived as historical
kings of the people who made them into gods because of the benefits they
gave to them. All the Greek gods date to around 1700 BC according to the
Chronicon. They were basically Minoan period kings that ruled over
Greece and Phoenicia (Philo, Porphyry, Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods
were the direct ancestors of the PharaohrCOs who preceded the first
Pharaoh Min (Herodotus citing the Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of
the Pharaohs back to the time of Min himself).
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who
controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people who
lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The One, and
that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named Proteus according
to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh Setnakte. Other Pharaohs
that were turned into the god of the Jews (not all of them were regarded
as gods when they were opposed by other Pharaohs, which is why the bible
talks about prophets of false gods) include Ramses III the god of Joshua
and Necho (named in the Bible) who as the Bible describes handed over
the land of Syria-Palestine to Nebuchadnezzar II, as corroborated by
Herodotus and the inscription of Nebuchadnezzar II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of
Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was dedicated.
Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo), Set/Sutekh/Suduc/
Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal Hadad
who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later Adonis and thus
the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was Kronos or Saturn and is
testified to in Linear A inscriptions at the Cretan king Satur dating to
around 1700 BC the same time as when El lived. Jehovah's name is
preserved in Egyptian inscriptions from the same period as Meruserenre
Yakubher, and this explains why the Jews worshipped the successive
Pharaoh's of Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with Dagon
and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite), Ashera (Rhea),
and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also a daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that El
gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have claim to be
his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to Jehovah,
Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in the Baal Epic
which explained why the Elephantine letters describe her as the wife of
Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the heaven
and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They were the god who
fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen as ruler, after which he
castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God means the
Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord means Adonsi
(Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
OK, we've got enough evidence that this guy is Loony Tunes, and not
to be engaged with seriously (he may be fun to tease, though).
pt
On 05/08/2026 19:20, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 10:25, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
-a-a-a-aIgnorance is the deepest root of all.
-a-a-a-aLanguage once invented made it possible to invent stories
about the gods and the strange reasons that they did things to
people like disease and striking down people with lightening
and horrid diseases.
None of you have the remotest clue of what you are talking about.
ALL ancient religions were ancestor cults. That and nothing more. Even
with recently discovered primitive tribes that have a religion that
religion is an ancestor cult. They sacrifice to the ancestors who were
the tyrants that ruled them because these tyrants controlled everything
in their lives when they lived and in death they a presumed to control >everyone and everything in the afterlife including the forces of nature. >Those forces of nature were controlled by them when they were living
through science. Stop assuming primitive peoples are as stupid and
ignorant as you are.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
-a-a-a-aBecause they were ignorant and had to invent reasons for the
reality around them.
No they were not. See above. You are the one who is ignorant. If these >societies are as stupid as you are as an individual then they would not
have been able to develop the science we have today.
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles >>>> for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-aNot true. The Jewish elders in BC decided on the contents to be
included in the Old Testament.-a The Catholics agreed that this happened
then they decided at various councils what could be included in the
New Testament.
-a-a-a-aAnd strangely enough it was nothing that could
The Jews translated the Jewish scriptures into ancient Greek at the
Library of Alexandria in around 260 BC and thus created the Septuagint
which is the original form of the Old Testament. The Roman Catholic
Church had nothing to do with setting the New Testament. It was done by
the original Christian church which is now the Greek Orthodox Church.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
-a-a-a-aAnd why did the Romans and earlier the Greeks lament the invention >> of writing as destructive of memory?
This had nothing to do with creating poetry. It was about the fact that >writing for millennia of recorded history allowed facts to be written
down without corruption so people didn't need to make any effort to >memorised them or even learn mental arithmetic since everything could
easily be read or written down for memory, or calculated on paper or wax
or clay tablets, which is what writing was invented for in the first
place. The first writing in Europe existed since 1900 BC in the form of >Linear Syllabic and this script did not die out until around 300 BC. The >Greek alphabet came into use in Thebes in 1430 BC and was in wide usage >across the Greek world from no later than 1200 BC (Chronicon and Pliny)
-aThe oral tradition is real and preexisted written
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING
DOWN -a-a-a-aYou have to have a written language before you can write
anything down.
Oral tradition is a fictitious construct of the modern day and >misrepresented total morons as something it never was. Even Parry said
it couldn't be proven to be a tradition. Parry insisted that everything
that was composed orally was immediately written down. If it hadn't been
he wouldn't have been able to prove that it was orally composed because
by necessity of his own definition it had to undergo substantial change >every time it passed from poet to poet.
language.-a Parry was a victim of writing and had lost contact with
his own memory.
You've not even read Parry whereas I have. His papers on oral traditions >were not part of his doctoral thesis.
.
-a-a-a-aBaloney! I used to drink and compose poetry while inspired by
Homer's works were composed in writing. They could not have been
composed otherwise let alone transmitted in a dialect no one else
spoke. Some stock phrases were repeated over and over again because
they were derived from earlier WRITTEN material containing earlier
poetry which Parry and no one can verify contained those phrases
because those texts were not longer extant even in the time of Herodotus. >>
Backus and Sileneus, speaking in a figurative sense.-a It is easy to do
if you have a organized memory or not.
Do you remember any of it? Without writing it down you would not. Even
Parry accepted that.
-a-a-a-aAgain you have to have written language first and language itself >> was an invention.-a You have to have it before you can invent
a written language.
Actually the evidence shows the complete opposite. Cave paintings, which
are the original basis of writing as pictograms are over 150,000 years
old, allegedly. Not one modern language that exists today is more than
7000 years old. NOT ONE!
The ancient Greeks possessed writing since 1900 BC in the from of
Linear Syllabic script which was in constant use and never died out
until 300 BC when Cypriot Syllabic was completely replaced with the
regular Greek Alphabet.
-a-a-a-aAnd the Trojan War was not that long before:
From Wiki:
The earliest written evidence is a Linear B clay tablet found in
Messenia that dates to between 1450 and 1350 BC, [21] making Greek the
world's oldest recorded living language. [22] Among the Indo-European
languages,
The capture of Troy took place on May 12 (12 Thargelion) 1182 BC
(converted to our calendar). Writing is why we know that exact date.
You like the word bollocks but I think most of what you write is
just that, Patriachal Bollocks.
Patriarchal? More of your ignorant woke bollocks.
The handle you use here The True Doctor reminds me of the
Doctress who used be a a regular annoyance.
And your point is what? Whittaker was totally miscast in the role. The >Doctor is a white, British, heterosexual, male, male character, and
anyone who disagrees with that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.
Maybe, the original idea was to give people some good ideals to
live their lives by, but ultimately religion is a crutch for
weak minded people to get through life. I mean, look at Dave,
he's hardly a good advert for Christianity is he? It does seem
to be a profitable industry though, it must be said.
-a-a-a-aNo the original idea was control of the people through the common >> beliefs whether multiple or unitary divinity.
No it wasn't. The original idea was that the people were ruled by
beneficent dictators or tyrants who controlled everything in their
entire lives. They were then turned into gods by the people around them.
We know this to be a historical FACT from primary sources including >Sanchuniathon who saw the entire record of how the stories concerning
these tyrannical rulers were embellished to turn them into gods and >eventually the texts became almost unrecognisable when compared to the >original sources, which Sanchuniathon had in his possession. Herodotus >confirms the same process took place concerning the creation of the
Greek and Egyptian gods. There was NEVER any descenting opinion
concerning this. All ancient religion was known to be ancestor worship.
-a-a-a-a-aLook at the rules and you will see that it was meant to enrich >>>> the priestly families the cohens and the levites.-a When they sacrificed >>>> an animal the god only got the skin bones and fat burned. The high
protein part went to the people who slaughtered the animal.
That was imported from Greek religion because of what Zeus did to
Prometheus.
-a-a-a-aThe Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is
The ancient Greek sources such as Hesiod and Homer pre-date the Hebrew >scriptures by many many centuries.
who profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
The sacrifices originated from tribute that the people brought to the >tyrants that ruled over them who they turned into their gods and
worshipped in their ancestor cults. This tribute included 1/6 of their >animals and agricultural produce so as to feed these tyrants and their >armies. That's what sacrifice was. It was taxation. The ancient Greeks
and Egyptians continued the practice in memory of the tyrants that >originally ruled them. Eventually they old offered the fat and the bones
to these deceased rulers, but the evidence indicates that there was a >rebellion in the time of Prometheus (1700 to 1628 BC) where tribute was >withheld, and then the entire civilisation was destroyed by the Thera >eruption, but the worship remained.
Religion also seems to be a good reason for people who preach
peace to go around killing one another...
-a-a-a-a-aOh it is all about real estate and God is dragged into it for >>>> the foolish soldiers who kill each other.
-a-a-a-a-aWW I "Gott Mit Uns"
-a-a-a-a-abliss
-a-a-a-aDon't depend on outworn scholarship to defend your religion.
-a-a-a-aJoin Dalton in obscurity.
-a-a-a-abliss - through study and experience
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
-a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the >Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo,
and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of
the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king
who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since
Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in
the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah. >It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in >Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and
Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the >Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
That means Zeus was Sheshi (Saasitepis ie. Ausstaeb/Istaveon in Linear A >inscriptions found in Crete from between 1700 and 1650 BC), Poseidon was >Odin or Jehovah (Meruserenre Yakubher, who ruled Egypt in ~1675 BC), and >Baal-Hadad was the basis for Hades and the Jewish god Adonai.--
The Baal Epic dates to around 1600 BC and as confirmed by Philo and
Porphyry following Sanchiniathon was written close to the time the
events that it describes occurred.
This is where all the Indo-European and Hebrew religions come from.
They're all based on the Hyksos (Foreign Rulers) 15th Dynasty rule of
Egypt between 1750 and 1600 BC.
It's pretty obvious really once you know the literature and chronology.
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*. >>>> Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
-a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the
Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo,
and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of
the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king
who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since
Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in
the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah.
It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in
Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and
Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the
Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
--That means Zeus was Sheshi (Saasitepis ie. Ausstaeb/Istaveon in Linear A
inscriptions found in Crete from between 1700 and 1650 BC), Poseidon was
Odin or Jehovah (Meruserenre Yakubher, who ruled Egypt in ~1675 BC), and
Baal-Hadad was the basis for Hades and the Jewish god Adonai.
The Baal Epic dates to around 1600 BC and as confirmed by Philo and
Porphyry following Sanchiniathon was written close to the time the
events that it describes occurred.
This is where all the Indo-European and Hebrew religions come from.
They're all based on the Hyksos (Foreign Rulers) 15th Dynasty rule of
Egypt between 1750 and 1600 BC.
It's pretty obvious really once you know the literature and chronology.
On 8/5/2026 2:01 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and
Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell us.
They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of the
people who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions were
ancestor cults. We can even date the exact time at which these gods
lived as historical kings of the people who made them into gods
because of the benefits they gave to them. All the Greek gods date to
around 1700 BC according to the Chronicon. They were basically Minoan
period kings that ruled over Greece and Phoenicia (Philo, Porphyry,
Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods were the direct ancestors of the
PharaohrCOs who preceded the first Pharaoh Min (Herodotus citing the
Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of the Pharaohs back to the time
of Min himself).
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who
controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people who
lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The One,
and that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named Proteus
according to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh Setnakte. Other
Pharaohs that were turned into the god of the Jews (not all of them
were regarded as gods when they were opposed by other Pharaohs, which
is why the bible talks about prophets of false gods) include Ramses
III the god of Joshua and Necho (named in the Bible) who as the Bible
describes handed over the land of Syria-Palestine to Nebuchadnezzar
II, as corroborated by Herodotus and the inscription of Nebuchadnezzar
II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of
Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was dedicated.
Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo), Set/Sutekh/Suduc/
Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal Hadad
who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later Adonis and
thus the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was Kronos or Saturn
and is testified to in Linear A inscriptions at the Cretan king Satur
dating to around 1700 BC the same time as when El lived. Jehovah's
name is preserved in Egyptian inscriptions from the same period as
Meruserenre Yakubher, and this explains why the Jews worshipped the
successive Pharaoh's of Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with Dagon
and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite), Ashera (Rhea),
and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also a daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that El
gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have claim to
be his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to Jehovah,
Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in the Baal Epic
which explained why the Elephantine letters describe her as the wife
of Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the heaven
and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They were the god
who fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen as ruler, after
which he castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God means
the Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord means
Adonsi (Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
OK, we've got enough evidence that this guy is Loony Tunes, and not
to be engaged with seriously (he may be fun to tease, though).
pt
On 06/08/2026 04:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. >>>>> People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*. >>>>> Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>>>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>>>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>>>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>>>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>> only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t >>>> ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
-a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the >>> Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo, >>> and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of
the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king >>> who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since
Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in
the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah. >>> It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in
Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and
Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the
Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian >transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as >Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus
ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word
Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the
name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates
to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent
to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh
Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated
by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War.
We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in >Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt
when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed
by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled
Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from
Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and
the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list
for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of
an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as
also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer,
Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt
in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John >Nikiu.
That means Zeus was Sheshi (Saasitepis ie. Ausstaeb/Istaveon in Linear A >>> inscriptions found in Crete from between 1700 and 1650 BC), Poseidon was >>> Odin or Jehovah (Meruserenre Yakubher, who ruled Egypt in ~1675 BC), and >>> Baal-Hadad was the basis for Hades and the Jewish god Adonai.
The Baal Epic dates to around 1600 BC and as confirmed by Philo and
Porphyry following Sanchiniathon was written close to the time the
events that it describes occurred.
This is where all the Indo-European and Hebrew religions come from.
They're all based on the Hyksos (Foreign Rulers) 15th Dynasty rule of
Egypt between 1750 and 1600 BC.
It's pretty obvious really once you know the literature and chronology.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <11511og$3hs4j$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 04:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. >>>>>> People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*. >>>>>> Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you >>>>>> read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like >>>>>> what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down. >>>>>> When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. >>>>>> Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>>> only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t >>>>> ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
-a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the >>>> Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo, >>>> and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of >>>> the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king >>>> who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since
Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in >>>> the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah. >>>> It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in
Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and
Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the
Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian
transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as
Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus
ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word
Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the
name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates
to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent
to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh
Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated
by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War.
We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in
Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt
when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed
by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled
Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from
Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and
the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list
for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of
an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as
also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer,
Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt
in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John
Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
--That means Zeus was Sheshi (Saasitepis ie. Ausstaeb/Istaveon in Linear A >>>> inscriptions found in Crete from between 1700 and 1650 BC), Poseidon was >>>> Odin or Jehovah (Meruserenre Yakubher, who ruled Egypt in ~1675 BC), and >>>> Baal-Hadad was the basis for Hades and the Jewish god Adonai.
The Baal Epic dates to around 1600 BC and as confirmed by Philo and
Porphyry following Sanchiniathon was written close to the time the
events that it describes occurred.
This is where all the Indo-European and Hebrew religions come from.
They're all based on the Hyksos (Foreign Rulers) 15th Dynasty rule of
Egypt between 1750 and 1600 BC.
It's pretty obvious really once you know the literature and chronology. >>>>
It clear to everyone who is educated that you've not read Eusebius, Sanchuniathon, the Baal Epic, Diodorus, Herodotus, the Inscriptions of Merneptah and Ramses III, the works of Snorri Sturluson, John Nikiu,
Jerome, or even the Bible itself, so your opinion is totally worthless
and everything you say is a complete pile shit that has no merit
whatsoever.
Don't enter discussions where you are totally out of your depth and
learn to respect those who are more knowledgeable and better educated
than you are you stupid moron.
On 8/5/2026 2:57 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 18:58, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:50, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 06:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message: >>>>>>>> The True Melissa wrote:
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all
any of them are... made-up money making machines to part
fools from their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit
up.
I don't know about that.
Deffo!
The old religions probably had deeper roots.
Old or new, all made up and believed in by delusional people
with nothing better to do with their time.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility
cults to archetypal hero worship to hallucinations, but surely
it was based on something.-a Why else would anyone else even
believe anything as superficially unlikely?
The problem is people all over the world believe in a swathe of
different gods. They can't all be real, can they? So by
definition some of those religions have to be wrong... at least.
So who gets to decide who worships the real god(s) and who are
the fools worshipping fake gods?
-a-a-a-a-aWell why not multiple Gods? Humans invented specialized roles >>>>> for workers as soon as they had enough language to
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by
many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language, edited
by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by scholars, revised
again with improved translations and now in 2026 are nothing
more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
-a-a-a-a-aActually before writing they were passed down orally. That
That is PURE BOLLOCKS!
Even Parry himself, the inventor of this stupid nonsense of "oral
traditions" said in his papers that the oral poets WROTE EVERYTHING
DOWN after they had composed it, otherwise how could they possibly
remember any of it? How could Parry even verify the it was a
"tradition" otherwise? He even concluded at the start of his
doctoral thesis that he wouldn't possible do so, it was all
speculation.
NO ONE can possibly compose, not one, but two poems consisting of
15,000 and 12,000 verses of hexameter each in a dialect NO ONE spoke
400 years later at the time of Herodotus who spoke the closest
living descendent of Homeric Greek, without the use of writing, let
alone have passed it on in that now extinct dialect. PERIOD! Even
Parry accepted from the very beginning that the Iliad and the
Odyssey were written down and that is why they remained unchained
for 400 years even until the time of Herodotus who was able to
verify the age of these works by comparing them with literature
which came after them which could be precisely dated and whose
dialects were clearly older than that of Herodotus but more recent
than Homer. Parry himself stated that oral poetry must necessarily
undergo substantial change by every oral poet who acquires it and
retells it in his own way. Parry stated that this poetry was passed
down IN WRITING not orally, was then changed during performance and
then written down immediately afterwards. WRITTEN DOWN!
Parry's only substantiated claim was that oral poets used stock
phrases in their composition. And how did Parry substantiate this?
Because those stock phrases had already been written down in writing
beforehand, before they were learned by the oral poets. To Parry who
invented this BULLSHIT, oral tradition emerged from an existing
written tradition through corruption of the original literature and
the creation of new literature.
There is NO SUCH THING as Oral Tradition. What parry was writing
about was Composition Through Oral Performance, which he admitted
could not even be proven to be a tradition and which was facilitated
by the use of writing.
Can we drop the expletives?
Memorizing epic poems is something people really do.
They do nothing of the kind unless they have written texts to follow,
no different to memorising Shakespeare which is even longer than your
example, and they don't memorise them in extinct delicts nobody even
speaks.
Today, you can find 'oral repositories' in many pre-literate cultures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oral_repositories
ALL OF WHICH IS PURE BOLLCOCKS.
Even Parry said the oral poets wrote everything down and assumes a
pre- existant written culture pretended them. Only a totally and utter
imbecile would assume the absence of writing, especially when it has
existed for over 5000 years, and there's absolutely NOTHING, no
poetry, no history, zitto, NOTHING, that exists before that. NOTHING!
That includes people who know the longest poem in the world, the
Epic of Manas, 20 times the length of the Odyssey and Iliad. There
are people who can recite this today. They exist.
That is also PURE BULLEXCREMENT. The length of the poem is of the
PUBLISHED WRITTEN TEXT. NO ONE has memorised to full text, even after
it was made up and written down.
It's rare to see to pure a case of Proof by Vigorous Assertion.
Please provide evidence, or shut up.
pt
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years,
by many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language,
edited by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by
scholars, revised again with improved translations and now
in 2026 are nothing more than fantasy tales for the simple
folk to believe in.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was
written in Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite,
Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician, Greek, and Jewish historical
texts from the periods that it covers.
On 06/08/2026 06:31, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11511og$3hs4j$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 04:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any >>>>>>>> of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from >>>>>>>> their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. >>>>>>> People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>>>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*. >>>>>>> Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially >>>>>>> unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>>>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an >>>>>>> ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>>>> only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t >>>>>> ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity.
-a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the >>>>> Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo, >>>>> and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of >>>>> the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king >>>>> who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since
Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in >>>>> the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah. >>>>> It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in
Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and
Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the >>>>> Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian >>> transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as
Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus
ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word
Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the
name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates
to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent
to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh
Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated >>> by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War.
We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in
Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt
when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed
by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled
Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from
Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and
the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list >>> for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of >>> an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as
also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer,
Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt
in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John
Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
What about what in the Hebrew?
--That means Zeus was Sheshi (Saasitepis ie. Ausstaeb/Istaveon in Linear A >>>>> inscriptions found in Crete from between 1700 and 1650 BC), Poseidon was >>>>> Odin or Jehovah (Meruserenre Yakubher, who ruled Egypt in ~1675 BC), and >>>>> Baal-Hadad was the basis for Hades and the Jewish god Adonai.
The Baal Epic dates to around 1600 BC and as confirmed by Philo and
Porphyry following Sanchiniathon was written close to the time the
events that it describes occurred.
This is where all the Indo-European and Hebrew religions come from.
They're all based on the Hyksos (Foreign Rulers) 15th Dynasty rule of >>>>> Egypt between 1750 and 1600 BC.
It's pretty obvious really once you know the literature and chronology. >>>>>
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
It clear to everyone who is educated that you've not read Eusebius,
Sanchuniathon, the Baal Epic, Diodorus, Herodotus, the Inscriptions of
Merneptah and Ramses III, the works of Snorri Sturluson, John Nikiu,
Jerome, or even the Bible itself, so your opinion is totally worthless
and everything you say is a complete pile shit that has no merit
whatsoever.
Thank you for apparently being on topic. Please refresh my memory as I
can't remember any of your above mentioned authors winning HUGOs or even >nominations.
(P.S. Are you claiming that some piles of shit do have merit?)
Don't enter discussions where you are totally out of your depth and
learn to respect those who are more knowledgeable and better educated
than you are you stupid moron.
As a moron myself, I would just like to say that sometimes for the most >stupid of us, it can be difficult to recognise those who are more >knowledgeable and better educated.
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:<snippo, this is getting excessively weird>
Can we drop the expletives?Sadly, something seems to have triggered fear of a threat to a deeply
Memorizing epic poems is something people really do.Not, perhaps, entirely on topic (as I said, the prior discussion is
Today, you can find 'oral repositories' in many pre-literate cultures >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oral_repositories
That includes people who know the longest poem in the world, the
Epic of Manas, 20 times the length of the Odyssey and Iliad. There
are people who can recite this today. They exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Manas
On 8/5/2026 2:57 PM, The True Doctor wrote:<snippo nonsense>
It's rare to see to pure a case of Proof by Vigorous Assertion.And yet all you have to do is read the pamphlets and books put out
The Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is whoAh. You cite Ayn Rand.
profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years,
by many different people... then translated, mistranslated,
revised, translated again to another different language,
edited by church elders (with agendas), tidied up by
scholars, revised again with improved translations and now
in 2026 are nothing more than fantasy tales for the simple
folk to believe in.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was
written in Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite,
Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician, Greek, and Jewish historical
texts from the periods that it covers.
Just because something is written down doesn't mean it is
factual... I can write down a ton of crazy ideas, leave it for
people in the future to be amazed at, yet it will still be a
load of made-up nonsense.
However, even accepting that the bible is based on ancient
historical events - and they were documented accurately - with
the amount of corruptions and exaggerations that have taken
place with those stories over the centuries, (Including errors
with the textual transmission and revisions that served theological/institutional interests.) the sheeple who follow the
various branches of Christianity today are generally
unknowledgeable about the primary sources of those ancient tales.
So what they are left with today, on face value, is basically a
book of fantasy tales and well meaning fables.
The bible is a propaganda tool for the Christian religion to
enrich itself with and the people running the various factions
within it. L. Ron Hubbard knew what he was doing creating his
own religion. People are generally simple and gullible. The
weaknesses within their minds crave for something to follow and
be a part of... and they will happily part with their money for
that sense of belonging.
On 06/08/2026 16:34, The True Doctor wrote:
It clear to everyone who is educated that you've not read Eusebius,
Sanchuniathon, the Baal Epic, Diodorus, Herodotus, the Inscriptions of
Merneptah and Ramses III, the works of Snorri Sturluson, John Nikiu,
Jerome, or even the Bible itself, so your opinion is totally worthless
and everything you say is a complete pile shit that has no merit
whatsoever.
Thank you for apparently being on topic. Please refresh my memory as I
can't remember any of your above mentioned authors winning HUGOs or even nominations.
(P.S. Are you claiming that some piles of shit do have merit?)
Don't enter discussions where you are totally out of your depth and
learn to respect those who are more knowledgeable and better educated
than you are you stupid moron.
As a moron myself, I would just like to say that sometimes for the most stupid of us, it can be difficult to recognise those who are more knowledgeable and better educated.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 11:20:07 -0700, BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
The Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is who >> profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
Ah. You cite Ayn Rand.
On 06/08/2026 03:06, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/5/2026 2:01 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*. >>>> Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and
Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell us.
They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of the
people who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions were
ancestor cults. We can even date the exact time at which these gods
lived as historical kings of the people who made them into gods
because of the benefits they gave to them. All the Greek gods date to
around 1700 BC according to the Chronicon. They were basically Minoan
period kings that ruled over Greece and Phoenicia (Philo, Porphyry,
Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods were the direct ancestors of the
PharaohrCOs who preceded the first Pharaoh Min (Herodotus citing the
Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of the Pharaohs back to the time
of Min himself).
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If
you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much
like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who
controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people who
lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The One,
and that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named Proteus
according to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh Setnakte. Other
Pharaohs that were turned into the god of the Jews (not all of them
were regarded as gods when they were opposed by other Pharaohs, which
is why the bible talks about prophets of false gods) include Ramses
III the god of Joshua and Necho (named in the Bible) who as the Bible
describes handed over the land of Syria-Palestine to Nebuchadnezzar
II, as corroborated by Herodotus and the inscription of
Nebuchadnezzar II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come
down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're
doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son
of Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was dedicated.
Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo), Set/Sutekh/Suduc/
Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal
Hadad who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later Adonis
and thus the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was Kronos or
Saturn and is testified to in Linear A inscriptions at the Cretan
king Satur dating to around 1700 BC the same time as when El lived.
Jehovah's name is preserved in Egyptian inscriptions from the same
period as Meruserenre Yakubher, and this explains why the Jews
worshipped the successive Pharaoh's of Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with
Dagon and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite), Ashera
(Rhea), and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also a
daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that El
gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have claim to
be his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to
Jehovah, Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in the
Baal Epic which explained why the Elephantine letters describe her as
the wife of Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the
heaven and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They were
the god who fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen as ruler,
after which he castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God means
the Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord means
Adonsi (Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
OK, we've got enough evidence that this guy is Loony Tunes, and not
to be engaged with seriously (he may be fun to tease, though).
We've got enough evidence that you are a stupid ignorant imbecile who doesn't have the faintest clue or understanding about history, the
Bible, or ancient religion.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 13:58:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
<snippo, this is getting excessively weird>
Can we drop the expletives?
Sadly, something seems to have triggered fear of a threat to a deeply
held religious belief (in this case, the belief that everything was
written down immediately by its author [1]).
Today, you can find 'oral repositories' in many pre-literate cultures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oral_repositories
That includes people who know the longest poem in the world, the
Epic of Manas, 20 times the length of the Odyssey and Iliad. There
are people who can recite this today. They exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Manas
Not, perhaps, entirely on topic (as I said, the prior discussion is confusing) but, in /Old Testament Theology, Gerhard von Radt has a
chart tracing the development of the OT (this is, of course, from the perspective of Modern Scholarship) from the original oral traditions
through various phases of collecting them and writing them down, and
then finally producing an early version of the OT we have today.
Closer to being on-topic are the claims that Aristotle's books and the Homeric poems were, indeed, reduced to writing from their oral form.
These claims were written as if we have written proof from
way-back-when -- ie, that some ancient author recorded the process for
us.
As to alleged memory problems -- I have read assertions that Homer was
so popular that audiences memorized the poems and shouted out
corrections if the bard messed up.
And, lastly, there is a theory that human culture began when people
started living long enough to make themselves useful (and so entitled
to food) by caring for the kiddies. And how do you keep the kids out
of the adult's hair? By telling them stories, some of which the Grimms
may well have collected.
[1] That isn't even true in music. I have CD set of Harpsichord works
by one of the Scarlatti's that exists because his patron paid him to
play his works in front of a skilled scribe who recorded the notes.
The composer, himself, never wrote any of his music down. There are
quite a lot of them, BTW. Imagine being able to write down the notes
from hearing the music. The things people could do before technology
took over!
The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by many
different people... then translated, mistranslated, revised, translated >>> again to another different language, edited by church elders (with
agendas), tidied up by
scholars, revised again with improved translations and now in 2026 are
nothing more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was written
in Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite, Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician,
Greek, and Jewish historical texts from the periods that it covers.
Just because something is written down doesn't mean it is factual... I
can write down a ton of crazy ideas, leave it for people in the future
to be amazed at, yet it will still be a load of made-up nonsense.
However, even accepting that the bible is based on ancient historical
events - and they were documented accurately - with the amount of corruptions and exaggerations that have taken place with those stories
over the centuries, (Including errors with the textual transmission and revisions that served theological/institutional interests.) the sheeple
who follow the various branches of Christianity today are generally unknowledgeable about the primary sources of those ancient tales. So
what they are left with today, on face value, is basically a book of
fantasy tales and well meaning fables.
The bible is a propaganda tool for the Christian religion to enrich
itself with and the people running the various factions within it. L.
Ron Hubbard knew what he was doing creating his own religion. People
are generally simple and gullible. The weaknesses within their minds
crave for something to follow and be a part of... and they will happily
part with their money for that sense of belonging.
On 8/6/26 00:19, Titus G wrote:
On 06/08/2026 16:34, The True Doctor wrote:
It clear to everyone who is educated that you've not read Eusebius,
Sanchuniathon, the Baal Epic, Diodorus, Herodotus, the Inscriptions of
Merneptah and Ramses III, the works of Snorri Sturluson, John Nikiu,
Jerome, or even the Bible itself, so your opinion is totally worthless
and everything you say is a complete pile shit that has no merit
whatsoever.
Thank you for apparently being on topic. Please refresh my memory as I
can't remember any of your above mentioned authors winning HUGOs or
even nominations. (P.S. Are you claiming that some piles of shit do
have merit?)
Don't enter discussions where you are totally out of your depth and
learn to respect those who are more knowledgeable and better educated
than you are you stupid moron.
As a moron myself, I would just like to say that sometimes for the most
stupid of us, it can be difficult to recognise those who are more
knowledgeable and better educated.
Some piles of shit are better than other piles of shit and I think that some shit is really good shit. Maybe that is a quote from the
comedian, George Carlin.
Personally I have studied the Bible in 3 Protestant Sunday Schools in the 1940s and in a Catholic High School in the 1950s but my mother and
I really cracked up over some of the lives of alleged Saints. We also
liked "Pogo (the thoughtful) Possum" by old Walt Kelly, especially
during the McCarthy Era.
Some piles of shit are really funnier than other piles of excrement.
bliss - by study, practice and experience
On 2026-08-06 17:43:48 +0000, BobbieSellers said:
On 8/6/26 00:19, Titus G wrote:
On 06/08/2026 16:34, The True Doctor wrote:
It clear to everyone who is educated that you've not read Eusebius,
Sanchuniathon, the Baal Epic, Diodorus, Herodotus, the Inscriptions of >>>> Merneptah and Ramses III, the works of Snorri Sturluson, John Nikiu,
Jerome, or even the Bible itself, so your opinion is totally worthless >>>> and everything you say is a complete pile shit that has no merit
whatsoever.
Thank you for apparently being on topic. Please refresh my memory as I
can't remember any of your above mentioned authors winning HUGOs or
even nominations. (P.S. Are you claiming that some piles of shit do
have merit?)
Don't enter discussions where you are totally out of your depth and
learn to respect those who are more knowledgeable and better educated >>>> than you are you stupid moron.
As a moron myself, I would just like to say that sometimes for the most >>> stupid of us, it can be difficult to recognise those who are more
knowledgeable and better educated.
Some piles of shit are better than other piles of shit and I think
that some shit is really good shit. Maybe that is a quote from the
comedian, George Carlin.
"One man's crap is another man's fertiliser." is another version.
Basically just a re-working of the saying "One' man's trash is another
man's treasure."
In article <11517oo$3jeii$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 06:31, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11511og$3hs4j$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 04:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? >>>>>>>>>> Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any >>>>>>>>> of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from >>>>>>>>> their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. >>>>>>>> People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>>>>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially >>>>>>>> unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>>>>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an >>>>>>>> ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>>>>> only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter equivalent and t
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity. >>>>>>> -a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the >>>>>> Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo, >>>>>> and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of >>>>>> the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king >>>>>> who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since
Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in >>>>>> the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah. >>>>>> It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in >>>>>> Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and >>>>>> Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the >>>>>> Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian >>>> transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as
Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus >>>> ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word
Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the >>>> name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates >>>> to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent >>>> to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh
Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated >>>> by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War. >>>> We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in
Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt
when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed >>>> by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled
Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from
Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and
the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list >>>> for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of >>>> an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as >>>> also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer,
Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt >>>> in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John >>>> Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
What about what in the Hebrew?
For starters, El refers to of Yahweh.
--That means Zeus was Sheshi (Saasitepis ie. Ausstaeb/Istaveon in Linear A >>>>>> inscriptions found in Crete from between 1700 and 1650 BC), Poseidon was >>>>>> Odin or Jehovah (Meruserenre Yakubher, who ruled Egypt in ~1675 BC), and >>>>>> Baal-Hadad was the basis for Hades and the Jewish god Adonai.
The Baal Epic dates to around 1600 BC and as confirmed by Philo and >>>>>> Porphyry following Sanchiniathon was written close to the time the >>>>>> events that it describes occurred.
This is where all the Indo-European and Hebrew religions come from. >>>>>>
They're all based on the Hyksos (Foreign Rulers) 15th Dynasty rule of >>>>>> Egypt between 1750 and 1600 BC.
It's pretty obvious really once you know the literature and chronology. >>>>>>
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2026-08-06 17:43:48 +0000, BobbieSellers said:
On 8/6/26 00:19, Titus G wrote:
On 06/08/2026 16:34, The True Doctor wrote:
It clear to everyone who is educated that you've not read Eusebius,
Sanchuniathon, the Baal Epic, Diodorus, Herodotus, the Inscriptions of >>>>> Merneptah and Ramses III, the works of Snorri Sturluson, John Nikiu, >>>>> Jerome, or even the Bible itself, so your opinion is totally worthless >>>>> and everything you say is a complete pile shit that has no merit
whatsoever.
Thank you for apparently being on topic. Please refresh my memory as I >>>> can't remember any of your above mentioned authors winning HUGOs or
even nominations. (P.S. Are you claiming that some piles of shit do
have merit?)
Don't enter discussions where you are totally out of your depth and
learn to respect those who are more knowledgeable and better educated >>>>> than you are you stupid moron.
As a moron myself, I would just like to say that sometimes for the most >>>> stupid of us, it can be difficult to recognise those who are more
knowledgeable and better educated.
Some piles of shit are better than other piles of shit and I think
that some shit is really good shit. Maybe that is a quote from the
comedian, George Carlin.
"One man's crap is another man's fertiliser." is another version.
Basically just a re-working of the saying "One' man's trash is another
man's treasure."
I suspect Carlin's "really good shit" is also known as Canabis.
On 8/6/2026 12:34 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 06/08/2026 03:06, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/5/2026 2:01 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. >>>>> People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal >>>>> hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on
*something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and
Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell us.
They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of the
people who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions were
ancestor cults. We can even date the exact time at which these gods
lived as historical kings of the people who made them into gods
because of the benefits they gave to them. All the Greek gods date
to around 1700 BC according to the Chronicon. They were basically
Minoan period kings that ruled over Greece and Phoenicia (Philo,
Porphyry, Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods were the direct
ancestors of the PharaohrCOs who preceded the first Pharaoh Min
(Herodotus citing the Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of the
Pharaohs back to the time of Min himself).
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though.
If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much >>>>> like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not >>>>> omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who
controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people who
lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The One,
and that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named Proteus
according to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh Setnakte.
Other Pharaohs that were turned into the god of the Jews (not all of
them were regarded as gods when they were opposed by other Pharaohs,
which is why the bible talks about prophets of false gods) include
Ramses III the god of Joshua and Necho (named in the Bible) who as
the Bible describes handed over the land of Syria-Palestine to
Nebuchadnezzar II, as corroborated by Herodotus and the inscription
of Nebuchadnezzar II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come
down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're
doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>> only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son
of Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was dedicated.
Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo), Set/Sutekh/Suduc/
Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal
Hadad who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later
Adonis and thus the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was
Kronos or Saturn and is testified to in Linear A inscriptions at the
Cretan king Satur dating to around 1700 BC the same time as when El
lived. Jehovah's name is preserved in Egyptian inscriptions from the
same period as Meruserenre Yakubher, and this explains why the Jews
worshipped the successive Pharaoh's of Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with
Dagon and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite), Ashera
(Rhea), and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also a
daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that
El gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have claim
to be his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to
Jehovah, Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in
the Baal Epic which explained why the Elephantine letters describe
her as the wife of Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the
heaven and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They were
the god who fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen as
ruler, after which he castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God means
the Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord means
Adonsi (Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
OK, we've got enough evidence that this guy is Loony Tunes, and not
to be engaged with seriously (he may be fun to tease, though).
We've got enough evidence that you are a stupid ignorant imbecile who
doesn't have the faintest clue or understanding about history, the
Bible, or ancient religion.
I'll simply ask you to provide checkable references to your claim
that Parry said the Homeric poems were composed in written form.
It doesn't seem consistent with what I know of him.
pt
On 06/08/2026 18:58, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/6/2026 12:34 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 06/08/2026 03:06, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/5/2026 2:01 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. >>>>>> People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to
archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on
*something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and
Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell
us. They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of
the people who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions were >>>>> ancestor cults. We can even date the exact time at which these gods >>>>> lived as historical kings of the people who made them into gods
because of the benefits they gave to them. All the Greek gods date
to around 1700 BC according to the Chronicon. They were basically
Minoan period kings that ruled over Greece and Phoenicia (Philo,
Porphyry, Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods were the direct
ancestors of the PharaohrCOs who preceded the first Pharaoh Min
(Herodotus citing the Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of the
Pharaohs back to the time of Min himself).
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. >>>>>> If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not
much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but >>>>>> not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who
controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people who >>>>> lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The One, >>>>> and that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named Proteus
according to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh Setnakte.
Other Pharaohs that were turned into the god of the Jews (not all
of them were regarded as gods when they were opposed by other
Pharaohs, which is why the bible talks about prophets of false
gods) include Ramses III the god of Joshua and Necho (named in the
Bible) who as the Bible describes handed over the land of Syria-
Palestine to Nebuchadnezzar II, as corroborated by Herodotus and
the inscription of Nebuchadnezzar II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come >>>>>> down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're >>>>>> doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>>> only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son >>>>> of Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was
dedicated. Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo), Set/
Sutekh/Suduc/ Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus
Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal
Hadad who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later
Adonis and thus the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was
Kronos or Saturn and is testified to in Linear A inscriptions at
the Cretan king Satur dating to around 1700 BC the same time as
when El lived. Jehovah's name is preserved in Egyptian inscriptions >>>>> from the same period as Meruserenre Yakubher, and this explains why >>>>> the Jews worshipped the successive Pharaoh's of Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with
Dagon and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite),
Ashera (Rhea), and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also
a daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that
El gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have
claim to be his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to
Jehovah, Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in
the Baal Epic which explained why the Elephantine letters describe
her as the wife of Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the
heaven and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They were >>>>> the god who fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen as
ruler, after which he castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God means >>>>> the Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord means
Adonsi (Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
OK, we've got enough evidence that this guy is Loony Tunes, and not
to be engaged with seriously (he may be fun to tease, though).
We've got enough evidence that you are a stupid ignorant imbecile who
doesn't have the faintest clue or understanding about history, the
Bible, or ancient religion.
I'll simply ask you to provide checkable references to your claim
that Parry said the Homeric poems were composed in written form.
Parry said that ALL of his so called oral traditions involved the
writing down of what was composed. Everything he studied was in the form
of writing. He didn't even speak Serbian so had to use a translator and written translations. Writing was the ONLY way he had to substantiate
his claims that oral poetry was a tradition, and even then he said he
could never prove it. Why? Because he didn't have any written texts that date even earlier than the ones that he had in order to prove repetition
of common passages and themes, and that they appeared differently.
According to Parry's definition of oral poetry every time the work was passed to another oral poet, implicitly in writing (Parry always refers
to the work being written down after initial performance), it would have
to undergo change when the next poet performed it in order to be defined
as an oral composition or oral poetry. Otherwise it would just be
repeating what was written and NOT part of an oral tradition.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 22:02:16 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/5/2026 2:57 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
<snippo nonsense>
It's rare to see to pure a case of Proof by Vigorous Assertion.
And yet all you have to do is read the pamphlets and books put out
during the Reformation to find the same sort of behavior (including
worse invective).
Of course, /they/ had an excuse: it was just How It Was Done. It was,
IOW, a /style/. The (Allegedly) True Doctor, OTOH, has no excuse.
The actual arguments are reminiscent of those used by Highly Educated
Persons Who Just Knew How Things Were to "prove" that not only the
Bible (a favorite target in many contexts) but also Homer and his
poems and, indeed, all of Mycenean Greece never existed. This
movement, of course, ran aground when Schlieman dug Troy up in Turkey. >Followed by Mycenae and Knossos.
As I said before: deeply held religious belief.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On 06/08/2026 13:32, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11517oo$3jeii$1@dont-email.me>,though. If you
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 06:31, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11511og$3hs4j$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 04:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>>>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? >>>>>>>>>>> Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any >>>>>>>>>> of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from >>>>>>>>>> their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots. >>>>>>>>> People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially >>>>>>>>> unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it,
much likeread the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not
come down.what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an >>>>>>>>> ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to
we're doing.When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what
equivalent and tAlso, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>>>>>> only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity. >>>>>>>> -a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the
Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo,
and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of >>>>>>> the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king
who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since >>>>>>> Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in >>>>>>> the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah.
It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in >>>>>>> Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and >>>>>>> Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the >>>>>>> Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian >>>>> transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as
Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus >>>>> ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word
Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the >>>>> name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates >>>>> to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent >>>>> to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh
Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated >>>>> by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War. >>>>> We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in >>>>> Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt >>>>> when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed >>>>> by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled
Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from >>>>> Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and >>>>> the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list >>>>> for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of >>>>> an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as >>>>> also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer,
Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt >>>>> in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John >>>>> Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
What about what in the Hebrew?
For starters, El refers to of Yahweh.
No it doesn't. El refers to El and Jehovah refers to Jehovah. Jehovah is
the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of Elyon the Most High.
You've obviously never read the Bible and don't have the remotest clue
about what it actually says.
--That means Zeus was Sheshi (Saasitepis ie. Ausstaeb/Istaveon in Linear A
inscriptions found in Crete from between 1700 and 1650 BC), Poseidon was
Odin or Jehovah (Meruserenre Yakubher, who ruled Egypt in ~1675 BC), and
Baal-Hadad was the basis for Hades and the Jewish god Adonai.
The Baal Epic dates to around 1600 BC and as confirmed by Philo and >>>>>>> Porphyry following Sanchiniathon was written close to the time the >>>>>>> events that it describes occurred.
This is where all the Indo-European and Hebrew religions come from. >>>>>>>
They're all based on the Hyksos (Foreign Rulers) 15th Dynasty rule of >>>>>>> Egypt between 1750 and 1600 BC.
It's pretty obvious really once you know the literature and chronology. >>>>>>>
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <11534nd$82if$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 13:32, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11517oo$3jeii$1@dont-email.me>,though. If you
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 06:31, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11511og$3hs4j$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 04:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>>>>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? >>>>>>>>>>>> Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any >>>>>>>>>>> of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from >>>>>>>>>>> their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially >>>>>>>>>> unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it,
much likeread the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not
come down.what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an >>>>>>>>>> ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to
we're doing.When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what
equivalent and tAlso, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>>>>>>> only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity. >>>>>>>>> -a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive Sea) in the
Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by Eusebius, Philo,
and Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of
the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a Luwian king
who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since >>>>>>>> Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in
the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your Jehovah.
It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in >>>>>>>> Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and >>>>>>>> Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the >>>>>>>> Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian >>>>>> transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as >>>>>> Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus >>>>>> ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word >>>>>> Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the >>>>>> name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates >>>>>> to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent >>>>>> to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh >>>>>> Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated >>>>>> by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War. >>>>>> We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in >>>>>> Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt >>>>>> when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed >>>>>> by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled >>>>>> Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from >>>>>> Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and >>>>>> the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list >>>>>> for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of >>>>>> an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as >>>>>> also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer,
Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt >>>>>> in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John >>>>>> Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
What about what in the Hebrew?
For starters, El refers to of Yahweh.
No it doesn't. El refers to El and Jehovah refers to Jehovah. Jehovah is
the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of Elyon the Most High.
You've obviously never read the Bible and don't have the remotest clue
about what it actually says.
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
On 8/6/2026 8:12 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 06/08/2026 18:58, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/6/2026 12:34 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 06/08/2026 03:06, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/5/2026 2:01 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 13:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt >>>>>>> <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any >>>>>>>> of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from >>>>>>>> their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper
roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to
archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on
*something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially >>>>>>> unlikely?
They did nothing of the kind. We know exactly where the Greek and >>>>>> Egyptian gods came from because Herodotus and other writers tell
us. They were the biological ancestors (mathematically proven) of >>>>>> the people who worshipped them. All recorded ancient religions
were ancestor cults. We can even date the exact time at which
these gods lived as historical kings of the people who made them
into gods because of the benefits they gave to them. All the Greek >>>>>> gods date to around 1700 BC according to the Chronicon. They were >>>>>> basically Minoan period kings that ruled over Greece and Phoenicia >>>>>> (Philo, Porphyry, Sanchuniathon). The Egyptian gods were the
direct ancestors of the PharaohrCOs who preceded the first Pharaoh >>>>>> Min (Herodotus citing the Egyptians and witnessing the bodies of
the Pharaohs back to the time of Min himself).
The Jewish god is the personification of the Pharaoh of Egypt who >>>>>> controlled Syria-Palestine and demanded tribute from the people
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. >>>>>>> If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not
much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty
but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an >>>>>>
who lived there. He even told Moses his name was "On", meaning The >>>>>> One, and that translates to the Egyptian name Ktes (also named
Proteus according to Diodorus) which means he was the Pharaoh
Setnakte. Other Pharaohs that were turned into the god of the Jews >>>>>> (not all of them were regarded as gods when they were opposed by
other Pharaohs, which is why the bible talks about prophets of
false gods) include Ramses III the god of Joshua and Necho (named >>>>>> in the Bible) who as the Bible describes handed over the land of
Syria- Palestine to Nebuchadnezzar II, as corroborated by
Herodotus and the inscription of Nebuchadnezzar II himself.
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to
come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're >>>>>>> doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is >>>>>>> only one of those gods.
Correct. Jehovah was the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the
son of Elyon, the Most-High God to whom the Jewish temple was
dedicated. Jehovah's brothers included Mot, Hubal (Apollo), Set/
Sutekh/Suduc/ Typhon, Shaddai, El the younger, and Dushara (Zeus
Belus)
Also among Jehovah's brothers was his possibly half-brother Baal
Hadad who was also the basis for the Greek god Hades and later
Adonis and thus the Hebrew god Adonai, gods of the dead. El was
Kronos or Saturn and is testified to in Linear A inscriptions at
the Cretan king Satur dating to around 1700 BC the same time as
when El lived. Jehovah's name is preserved in Egyptian
inscriptions from the same period as Meruserenre Yakubher, and
this explains why the Jews worshipped the successive Pharaoh's of >>>>>> Egypt as their god.
The Hebrew god Tsebaoth (Atlas) was the brother of El along with
Dagon and Bartylus, and his sisters were Astarte (Aphrodite),
Ashera (Rhea), and Baaltis (Dione/Demeter). Anat (Athena) was also >>>>>> a daughter of El.
Baal-Hadad (Adonai) was the son of a concubine of Baal-Shamen that >>>>>> El gave in marriage to Dagon so all three of these people have
claim to be his father.
El was married to his sister Ashera who he offered as wife to
Jehovah, Yam Nahar (River Sea, hence Pontus in Greece), or Yaw in >>>>>> the Baal Epic which explained why the Elephantine letters describe >>>>>> her as the wife of Jehovah.
The Elohim or Gods which the book of Genesis claims created the
heaven and the earth were the basis for the Greek Titans. They
were the god who fought with El to depose his father Baal-Shamen
as ruler, after which he castrated him with a sickle.
The key to the Bible is LORD means Jehovah, GOD means El, God
means the Elohim who are mixed up with the Holy Spirit, and Lord
means Adonsi (Adonis/Hades/Baal-Hadad).
OK, we've got enough evidence that this guy is Loony Tunes, and not
to be engaged with seriously (he may be fun to tease, though).
We've got enough evidence that you are a stupid ignorant imbecile
who doesn't have the faintest clue or understanding about history,
the Bible, or ancient religion.
I'll simply ask you to provide checkable references to your claim
that Parry said the Homeric poems were composed in written form.
Parry said that ALL of his so called oral traditions involved the
writing down of what was composed. Everything he studied was in the
form of writing. He didn't even speak Serbian so had to use a
translator and written translations. Writing was the ONLY way he had
to substantiate his claims that oral poetry was a tradition, and even
then he said he could never prove it. Why? Because he didn't have any
written texts that date even earlier than the ones that he had in
order to prove repetition of common passages and themes, and that they
appeared differently.
According to Parry's definition of oral poetry every time the work was
passed to another oral poet, implicitly in writing (Parry always
refers to the work being written down after initial performance), it
would have to undergo change when the next poet performed it in order
to be defined as an oral composition or oral poetry. Otherwise it
would just be repeating what was written and NOT part of an oral
tradition.
Please read for comprehension. I asked you to provide a checkable
reference. You failed to do so, just spewing more Vigorous Assertion.
Any academic conference would laugh you out of the room.
Your claim that all the oral traditionalists he encountered used
written texts does not hold up to scrutiny.
From his Wikipedia article:
"Between 1933 and 1935 Parry, at the time an assistant professor at
Harvard University, made two visits to Yugoslavia, where he studied and recorded oral traditional poetry in Serbo-Croat with the help on his
second visit of his assistant Albert Lord, and a native singer and fixer named Nikola Vujnovi-c, who became essential to finding and communicating with other singers, known as the guslar. They worked in Bosnia, where literacy was lowest and the oral tradition was, in the term used by
Parry and Lord, "purest". They made thousands[6] of hours of recordings
in remote mountain villages of illiterate farmers who sang epic songs of prodigious length from memory. Parry and Lord recorded on newly invented equipment, flat aluminum records instead of vinyl, custom made for the expedition, with only a five minute recording time. Discs were
continually swapped with a special two-disc machine to create a single
long recording, later transcribed."
If there were written texts existing, Parry wouldn't have gone to the
trouble of recording and then transcribing the poems.
Can you provide actual references to these 'written texts'?
The point here is that oral transmission of epic poems has a
long and well-attested history.
pt
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing. Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
--
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 06/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 13:58:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
<snippo, this is getting excessively weird>
Can we drop the expletives?
Sadly, something seems to have triggered fear of a threat to a deeply
held religious belief (in this case, the belief that everything was
written down immediately by its author [1]).
And yet another clueless imbecile who is totally out of his depth and ignores all the warnings not to expose his complete and utter stupidity
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11534nd$82if$1@dont-email.me>,mighty but not
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 13:32, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11517oo$3jeii$1@dont-email.me>,though. If you
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 06:31, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11511og$3hs4j$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 06/08/2026 04:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1150vbi$3h7j3$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 05/08/2026 16:37, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/5/26 05:53, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any >>>>>>>>>>>> of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from >>>>>>>>>>>> their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to >archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on >*something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially >>>>>>>>>>> unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it,
much likeread the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is
Sea) in thecome down.omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an >>>>>>>>>>> ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to
we're doing.When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what
equivalent and tAlso, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
-a-a-a-aBut YHWH is the God of Storms a Zeus.Jupiter
ake a look at the Universe and it is full of storm-like activity. >>>>>>>>>> -a-a-a-aNot that I think it is more than coincidence.
Jehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive
Eusebius, Philo,Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by
Luwian kingand Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of
the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a
who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since >>>>>>>>> Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in
the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your >Jehovah.
It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in >>>>>>>>> Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and >>>>>>>>> Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the >>>>>>>>> Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian
transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as >>>>>>> Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus >>>>>>> ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word >>>>>>> Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the >>>>>>> name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates >>>>>>> to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent >>>>>>> to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh >>>>>>> Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated
by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War. >>>>>>> We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in >>>>>>> Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt >>>>>>> when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed >>>>>>> by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled >>>>>>> Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from >>>>>>> Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and >>>>>>> the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list
for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of
an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as >>>>>>> also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer,
Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt >>>>>>> in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John >>>>>>> Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
What about what in the Hebrew?
For starters, El refers to of Yahweh.
No it doesn't. El refers to El and Jehovah refers to Jehovah. Jehovah is >>> the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of Elyon the Most High.
You've obviously never read the Bible and don't have the remotest clue
about what it actually says.
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comnospam> wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pt5texcvytvm002@post.eweka.nl>, did Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the
ridiculous Scientology 'religion'.
Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something?
Then it proved lucrative, and here we are.
Of course his made-up religion proved lucrative, that's all any
of them are... made-up money making machines to part fools from
their money. Simple gullible people lap that shit up.
I don't know about that. The old religions probably had deeper roots.
People have hypothesized everything from fertility cults to archetypal
hero worship to hallucinations, but surely it was based on *something*.
Why else would anyone else even believe anything as superficially
unlikely?
Older religion was different from how we now think of it, though. If you
read the Old Testament without modern interpretation, it's not much like
what we now call either Judaism or Christianity. God is mighty but not
omnipotent; in fact, he's frequently stymied by humans. He has an
ordinary body and can walk around on Earth when he chooses to come down.
When he's not down here, he doesn't automatically know what we're doing.
Also, the Earth is a flat square with gods in the sky, and Yahweh is
only one of those gods.
--
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
"Brevity is the soul of wit." Your intelligent use of poetry to express >yourself is appreciated.
Defeatism may seem inevitable in a "might makes right" world - a world
where Rome destroyed the temple of belligerent Jews. Nonetheless,
centuries later, the meek Catholics inherited the Roman Empire from >Constantine.
Spiritual warfare's timescale may overwhelm those used to instant
gratification. In ancient times, Canaanites sacrificed children to Baal. >Today, the same Canaanite death cult bombs a Minab elementary school as
a burnt offering to Baal. Logos rises while fear and panic pervade the
evil Epstein Coalition centered in its infamous island temple.
Speaking of Baal, we may as well segue to Hubbard. Jack Parsons is
the key to Hubbard.
Parsons was well versed in the spiritual realm. At the age of
twelve, Parsons performed a ritual in his bedroom to invoke the Devil.
It apparently proved successful enough to scare Parsons out of further >attempts.
A little later Parsons hooked up with Aleister Crowley, who was
well versed in the spiritual realm. Aleister Crowley and all of the
occult fiends who abuse children utilize the star of David because it is
the symbol of Baal. [1] (The kiddush cup is the symbol of Judaism.)
Besides playing with fire at Jet Propulsion Labs, Parsons also hobnobbed
with like minded people at Robert Heinlein's house in Laurel Canyon.
DARKER THAN YOU THINK by Jack Williamson was one of Parsons' favorite
science fiction stories.
Eventually local and national Law Enforcement opened up an
investigation into allegations of Parsons' association with a black
magic cult involved in sexual orgies. The next thing you know, former US
Navy officer Hubbard ingratiates himself to Parsons.
Long story short, Hubbard takes over Parsons' ideation. In manner
similar to Ben Shapiro's stated desire to "pick up Charlie Kirk's bloody >microphone" to try to take over the Turning Point movement that Charlie >created.
Hubbard's advice to start a religion to become rich is more about
attacking Christianity than becoming rich. Those with the nose for
money, such as Hubbard, know the best way to make money to become a
bilking bankster and practice usury. Then interest payments pour into
your purse of their own accord, without further ado.
Note.
[1] <https://agapebiblebr.com/the-six-pointed-star-1967.html>
Danke,
--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ >telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |
On 7/08/2026 5:55 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 06/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 13:58:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
<snippo, this is getting excessively weird>
Can we drop the expletives?
Sadly, something seems to have triggered fear of a threat to a deeply
held religious belief (in this case, the belief that everything was
written down immediately by its author [1]).
And yet another clueless imbecile who is totally out of his depth and
ignores all the warnings not to expose his complete and utter stupidity
Aggy, you should stop belittling yourself like this.
We all know, already. ;-P
----
Daniel70
On 8/6/26 09:29, Paul S Person wrote:And yet, in my reading experience, it is Ayn Rand who asserted that,
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 11:20:07 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
The Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is who >>> profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
Ah. You cite Ayn Rand.
No I cite my reading of the scriptures and commentaries by various
thoughtful people.
On 2026-08-06 10:44:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by many
different people... then translated, mistranslated, revised, translated >>>> again to another different language, edited by church elders (with
agendas), tidied up by
scholars, revised again with improved translations and now in 2026 are >>>> nothing more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was written
in Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite, Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician,
Greek, and Jewish historical texts from the periods that it covers.
Just because something is written down doesn't mean it is factual... I
can write down a ton of crazy ideas, leave it for people in the future
to be amazed at, yet it will still be a load of made-up nonsense.
Yep. Someone idiot in the future will find a copy of Harry Potter and
think wizards were real (some loonies today already think Harry Potter
is real!).
Yes, the holodomor in the Ukraine of those who refused to convert to Marxism-Leninism was quite awful.However, even accepting that the bible is based on ancient historical
events - and they were documented accurately - with the amount of
corruptions and exaggerations that have taken place with those stories
over the centuries, (Including errors with the textual transmission and
revisions that served theological/institutional interests.) the sheeple
who follow the various branches of Christianity today are generally
unknowledgeable about the primary sources of those ancient tales. So
what they are left with today, on face value, is basically a book of
fantasy tales and well meaning fables.
The bible is a propaganda tool for the Christian religion to enrich
itself with and the people running the various factions within it. L.
Ron Hubbard knew what he was doing creating his own religion. People
are generally simple and gullible. The weaknesses within their minds
crave for something to follow and be a part of... and they will happily
part with their money for that sense of belonging.
I don't know about "happy". In the early days, people were forced to
give up their money and land to the church. In some cases, if they
didn't convert to whichever looney religion the "missionaries" were >peddling, the non-believers were simply killed.
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 10:45:11 -0700, BobbieSellers ><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/6/26 09:29, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 11:20:07 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
=20
The Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is = >who=20
profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
Ah. You cite Ayn Rand.
No I cite my reading of the scriptures and commentaries by various=20 >>thoughtful people.
And yet, in my reading experience, it is Ayn Rand who asserted that,
to understand a religion, look at those receiving the offerings.
Of course, being an arch Capitalist, she was prone to see everything
in terms of cash flow.
And by "profits", you presumably mean their /food/ -- food for them
and their wives' and little ones' food as well.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is saidAnd what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 20:55:33 +0100, The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo>
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or, >worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real discussion,
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
For those actually interested:--
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 20:55:33 +0100, The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo>
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
On 7/08/2026 5:55 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 06/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 13:58:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
<snippo, this is getting excessively weird>
Can we drop the expletives?
Sadly, something seems to have triggered fear of a threat to a deeply
held religious belief (in this case, the belief that everything was
written down immediately by its author [1]).
And yet another clueless imbecile who is totally out of his depth and
ignores all the warnings not to expose his complete and utter stupidity
Aggy, you should stop belittling yourself like this.
We all know, already. ;-P
In article <1153urf$emul$1@dont-email.me>,Jehovah is the way the Egyptians pronounced it which means that Jehovah
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11534nd$82if$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
Sea) in theJehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive
Eusebius, Philo,Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by
Luwian kingand Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and Leviathan of
the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a
Jehovah.who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since >>>>>>>>>> Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad, ie. Hades in
the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your
It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in >>>>>>>>>> Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and >>>>>>>>>> Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the
Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the Egyptian
transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as >>>>>>>> Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus >>>>>>>> ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word >>>>>>>> Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the >>>>>>>> name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates >>>>>>>> to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent
to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh >>>>>>>> Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks as stated
by Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War.
We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in >>>>>>>> Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt >>>>>>>> when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed >>>>>>>> by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled >>>>>>>> Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from >>>>>>>> Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and >>>>>>>> the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian kings list
for this period also confirms their successive rule and the expulsion of
an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as
also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer, >>>>>>>> Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt >>>>>>>> in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John
Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
What about what in the Hebrew?
For starters, El refers to of Yahweh.
No it doesn't. El refers to El and Jehovah refers to Jehovah. Jehovah is >>>> the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of Elyon the Most High. >>>>
You've obviously never read the Bible and don't have the remotest clue >>>> about what it actually says.
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Yahweh! Jevovah is Latinisation.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
And by "profits", you presumably mean their /food/ -- food for them
and their wives' and little ones' food as well.
There are religions where people can eat the sacrifices after the spiritual part of them has been removed. There are others where the sacrifices have
to be burnt or in some other way made inedible. There are certainly OT references to the latter but that doesn't mean the former didn't exist
there at that time.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 20:55:33 +0100, The True Doctor ><agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo>
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 09:15:43 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-08-06 10:44:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by many >>>>> different people... then translated, mistranslated, revised, translated >>>>> again to another different language, edited by church elders (with
agendas), tidied up by
scholars, revised again with improved translations and now in 2026 are >>>>> nothing more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was written >>>> in Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite, Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician,
Greek, and Jewish historical texts from the periods that it covers.
Just because something is written down doesn't mean it is factual... I
can write down a ton of crazy ideas, leave it for people in the future
to be amazed at, yet it will still be a load of made-up nonsense.
Yep. Someone idiot in the future will find a copy of Harry Potter and >>think wizards were real (some loonies today already think Harry Potter
is real!).
However, even accepting that the bible is based on ancient historical
events - and they were documented accurately - with the amount of
corruptions and exaggerations that have taken place with those stories
over the centuries, (Including errors with the textual transmission and >>> revisions that served theological/institutional interests.) the sheeple >>> who follow the various branches of Christianity today are generally
unknowledgeable about the primary sources of those ancient tales. So
what they are left with today, on face value, is basically a book of
fantasy tales and well meaning fables.
The bible is a propaganda tool for the Christian religion to enrich
itself with and the people running the various factions within it. L.
Ron Hubbard knew what he was doing creating his own religion. People
are generally simple and gullible. The weaknesses within their minds
crave for something to follow and be a part of... and they will happily >>> part with their money for that sense of belonging.
I don't know about "happy". In the early days, people were forced to
give up their money and land to the church. In some cases, if they
didn't convert to whichever looney religion the "missionaries" were >>peddling, the non-believers were simply killed.
Yes, the holodomor in the Ukraine of those who refused to convert to >Marxism-Leninism was quite awful.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor ><agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said >instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
Troll-calling is a USENET context form of
virtue-signalling.
----
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| usenet verdict on adam h kerman |
| fuckchop+idiot+kook+scumbag+troll |
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Scott Dorsey wrote in article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots. He
basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real >discussion,
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups. Whether he >> is a an offical troll is hard to say.
I think you're speaking of the Doctor (Dave). The True Doctor (AGA) is a >different poster.
Neither are trolls, but AGA/the True Doctor definitely has some unusual >views.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 07/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor
<agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said
instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
So I was right all the long. The Jews syncretised both of the main >protagonists of the Baal Epic, Jehovah (Yaw/Yam Nahar) and Baal-Hadad >(Adodus) and turned this gestalt into their god, since Baal-Hadad is
Adonai in Hebrew (equivalent to the Greek underworld gods Hades and
Adonis) and Jehovah from the Baal Epic is the Hyksos Pharoah Meruserenre >Yakubher or Yakobaam Sekkhaenre. Thus YHWH's name is "I am Baal" = "I am
the Lord" as he states to Noah in the book of Genesis. Yaku-bher =
Yako-baam = YH-WH = I'm Baal literally and Baal means Lord.
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
Elohim means The Gods in Hebrew. They were literally the gods or Titans
who were led by Jehovah (Pontus=Yam Nahar=River Sea) and fought with El >(Kronos) against his father Baal-Shamen (Uranus) to depose him according
to Sanchuniathon's Phoenician history.
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 07/08/2026 16:49, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 20:55:33 +0100, The True Doctor
<agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo>
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
Everyone knows that you are a complete and utter imbecile with no
learning or understanding of anything. That was blatantly obvious the
moment you started making imbecilic comments about oral traditions, >parroting out absolute bollocks that you've been indoctrinating with >claiming that despite the continuous and unbroken use of writing in
Greece and Syria-Palestine since at least 1900 BC that the works of
Homer and the Bible are the product of such. IMBECILE. COMPLETE AND
UTTER UNEDUCATED FOOL! THE EMPEROR IS WEARING NO CLOTHES. Even a 4 year
old child that has just learned to read and right can you the total and >utter stupidity of your stupid and ignorant claim. Like the ancient
Greeks recited catalogues of ships to each other complete with the
number of the ships from each city and the number of people in them, and
the Jews recited lists of generations complete with the number of years
each person lived and the number of years that passed from when they
were born until they begat their children. Oral tradition? When they
were surrounded by writing. YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE MORON AND YOU ARE NOT >FOOLING ANYONE WITH ANY INTELLIGENCE! YOU STUPID IGNORANT IMBECILE!
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 07/08/2026 14:33, Daniel70 wrote:
On 7/08/2026 5:55 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 06/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 13:58:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/5/2026 1:25 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
<snippo, this is getting excessively weird>
Can we drop the expletives?
Sadly, something seems to have triggered fear of a threat to a deeply
held religious belief (in this case, the belief that everything was
written down immediately by its author [1]).
And yet another clueless imbecile who is totally out of his depth and
ignores all the warnings not to expose his complete and utter stupidity
Aggy, you should stop belittling yourself like this.
We all know, already. ;-P
And once again you demonstrate your lack of any English comprehension
skills whatsoever.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 07/08/2026 14:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1153urf$emul$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11534nd$82if$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
ie. Hades inSea) in theJehovah was a sea god. He is named as Yaw or Yam Nahar (Rive
Eusebius, Philo,Baal Epic. His Greek equivalent was Pontus as stated by
Luwian kingand Pliny. He might also be the Lotan of the Baal Epic and >Leviathan of
the Bible. If so his origin is from Asia-Minor, and he was a
who ruled over the Pontus or Black Sea hence his given name since >>>>>>>>>>> Leviathan means The Luwian. He was defeated by Baal Hadad,
as statedJehovah.the Baal Epic and his ships scattered over the sea. That's your
It's likely, based on Snorri's identification of Asgard as Troy in >>>>>>>>>>> Asia-Minor (the Bosphorus is the basis of the Bi-Frost bridge, and >>>>>>>>>>> Midgard was Mygdonia or Minoan Greece), that he was worshipped by the
Vikings ie. Varangians or Phrygians as Odin
Yahweh you mean?
No I mean Jehovah. The correct pronunciation is recorded in the >Egyptian
transliteration of the name of Meruserenre Yakubher.
There is also a Yakobaam Sekkhaenre who may be the same Pharaoh as >>>>>>>>> Meruserenre Yakubher or more likely Jehovah the grandson of Zeus-Belus
ie. Dushara or Teshub.
The WH in the name of Jehovah is therefore a corruption of the word >>>>>>>>> Baal. YHWH therefore means "I am Baal" or "I am the Lord" which is the
name Jehovah gives to Moses when he asks for his name. This translates
to "On" or "The One" in the Greek text of the Bible which is equivalent
to Ktes in Egyptian, meaning that the god of Moses was the Pharaoh >>>>>>>>> Setnakte also known as Proteus or Ktes (The One) to the Greeks
kings listby Diodorus. This places the Exodus at the same time as the Trojan War.
We already know this from the Inscription of Merneptah (Amenophis in >>>>>>>>> Manetho) which names Israel as one of the peoples expelled from Egypt >>>>>>>>> when a Trojan lead alliance of Sea Peoples invaded Egypt, as confirmed
by Herodotus at the time of Proteus who Herodotus states controlled >>>>>>>>> Egypt at this time. According to Manetho the Jews were expelled from >>>>>>>>> Egypt by an alliance between Amenophis (Merneptah), his son Seti, and >>>>>>>>> the king of Aethiopia, ie. Proteus (Setnakte). The Aethiopian
Jehovah is the way the Egyptians pronounced it which means that Jehovahfor this period also confirms their successive rule and the >expulsion of
an Ahmoses (ie. Moses) from Egypt by Proteus (Setnakte) at this time as
also stated by Diodorus.
Amenophis or Merneptah is also known by his full name
Merneptah-hotphi(r)mae which means he is the Tithonus of Homer, >>>>>>>>> Aktisanes of Diodorus, and the Petissonius referred to as ruling Egypt
in the same sequence in the account of the Coptic Christian Bishop John
Nikiu.
What about in the Hebrew?
What about what in the Hebrew?
For starters, El refers to of Yahweh.
No it doesn't. El refers to El and Jehovah refers to Jehovah. Jehovah is >>>>> the son of El, the son of Baal-Shamen, the son of Elyon the Most High. >>>>>
You've obviously never read the Bible and don't have the remotest clue >>>>> about what it actually says.
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Yahweh! Jevovah is Latinisation.
is the way the Hebrews pronounced it too.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real discussion,
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.--
--scott
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots. He
basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real >discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group are
those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude (is that my >word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded popular lie that
Homer's works and the Bible were the product of an oral tradition,
despite writing having existed for over a millennium before both works
were composed and the historicity of both being verified by modern >archaeology and the discovery (even in the time of Herodotus) of
Egyptian, Hittite, and Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions testifying to the >historical people and events these texts mention. The Merneptah Stela
not only corroborates the account of the outbreak of the Trojan War and
the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described by Herodotus but also of
the Exodus as described by Manetho and the Bible even naming Israel
itself as being left devoid of seed. Then there's the Inscription and
mural or Ramses III which corroborates the attack on Egypt by Achaeans >(named) led by Menelaus and Teukrians (named) led by Teucer the founder
of Salamis from a base in Cyprus which is referred to in the Odyssey and
is the basis of Euripides' play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups. Whether he >> is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <11551jh$qinl$1@dont-email.me>, oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> wrote:
In article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
Troll-calling is a USENET context form of
virtue-signalling.
Point well taken
In article <11555su$s8ju$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor
<agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said
instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
So I was right all the long. The Jews syncretised both of the main
protagonists of the Baal Epic, Jehovah (Yaw/Yam Nahar) and Baal-Hadad
(Adodus) and turned this gestalt into their god, since Baal-Hadad is
Adonai in Hebrew (equivalent to the Greek underworld gods Hades and
Adonis) and Jehovah from the Baal Epic is the Hyksos Pharoah Meruserenre
Yakubher or Yakobaam Sekkhaenre. Thus YHWH's name is "I am Baal" = "I am
the Lord" as he states to Noah in the book of Genesis. Yaku-bher =
Yako-baam = YH-WH = I'm Baal literally and Baal means Lord.
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
Elohim means The Gods in Hebrew. They were literally the gods or Titans
who were led by Jehovah (Pontus=Yam Nahar=River Sea) and fought with El
(Kronos) against his father Baal-Shamen (Uranus) to depose him according
to Sanchuniathon's Phoenician history.
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
and Nephelim?
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor
is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real
usenet bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho
groups and drives off real discussion,
I do nothing of the kind.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other
groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor
is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real
usenet bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho
groups and drives off real discussion,
I do nothing of the kind.
I think some people might have mixed you up with Dave, because
you have Doctor in your nym.
There's more than one Doctor but there's only one Agamemnon!
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other
groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
That sounds more like Dave, aka The Doctor, to me. He loves
cross-posting everywhere to spread his chaos.
On 8/08/2026 7:41 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:.... but he will tell you that he is merely trying to attract other
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor
is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real
usenet bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho
groups and drives off real discussion,
I do nothing of the kind.
I think some people might have mixed you up with Dave, because
you have Doctor in your nym.
There's more than one Doctor but there's only one Agamemnon!
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other
groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
That sounds more like Dave, aka The Doctor, to me. He loves
cross-posting everywhere to spread his chaos.
posters into the 'Doctor Who' groups.
The Doctor wrote:--
In article <11551jh$qinl$1@dont-email.me>, oldernow<oldernow@dev.null> wrote:
In article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
Troll-calling is a USENET context form of
virtue-signalling.
Point well taken
https://myimgs.org/image/bgVVllcH
On 07/08/2026 22:41, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11555su$s8ju$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor
<agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said
instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
So I was right all the long. The Jews syncretised both of the main
protagonists of the Baal Epic, Jehovah (Yaw/Yam Nahar) and Baal-Hadad
(Adodus) and turned this gestalt into their god, since Baal-Hadad is
Adonai in Hebrew (equivalent to the Greek underworld gods Hades and
Adonis) and Jehovah from the Baal Epic is the Hyksos Pharoah Meruserenre >>> Yakubher or Yakobaam Sekkhaenre. Thus YHWH's name is "I am Baal" = "I am >>> the Lord" as he states to Noah in the book of Genesis. Yaku-bher =
Yako-baam = YH-WH = I'm Baal literally and Baal means Lord.
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
Elohim means The Gods in Hebrew. They were literally the gods or Titans
who were led by Jehovah (Pontus=Yam Nahar=River Sea) and fought with El
(Kronos) against his father Baal-Shamen (Uranus) to depose him according >>> to Sanchuniathon's Phoenician history.
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
and Nephelim?
They're the same as the Niflheim in Norse mythology and refer to
European people from the north, specifically those from the Netherlands
who are the tallest people in the entire world.
Noah as was demonstrated by Josephus in his Antiquities was Ogygus the >historical King of Athens at the time of the Ogygian Deluge (ie. the
Thera Eruption of 1628 BC) and Janus the historical King of Italy at the >same time. All of these people are exactly the same person and are
derived from the same common written account which was still extant in
Egypt at the time of Solon (c.570 BC) which also forms the basis of the >story of Atlantis and Thymaetes' Phyrgia which we know from Diodorus,
who preserves the text of both the Atlantean account and Thymaetes, is
the same account as Ctesias' Persica and Berosus' Babylonica all of
which are quoted one after the other and tell exactly the same story.
There are only very minor differences between them. The full Roman
account of the Phrygia is preserved in The Travels of Noah Into Europe
by Robert Lynche who derives it from Annius de Viterbo (born Giovanni >Nanni), who derives it from pseudo-Berosus which derives from >pseudo-Ctesias, which derives from Alexander Polyhistor (the genuine
Berosus and Ctesias no longer being extant and Diodorus' accounts
probably being pseudo-Berosus and pseudo-Ctesias too) who probably
derives the account from Antiochus of Syracuse given the names of the
kings mentioned by Lynche are known to have been present in Antiochus'
no longer extant text of the Colonising of Italy and History of Sicily,
who wrote at the same time as the real Ctesias.
You can find the complete transcript into modern English here (along
with links to the original printed versions): >https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor
is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real
usenet bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho
groups and drives off real discussion,
I do nothing of the kind.
I think some people might have mixed you up with Dave, because
you have Doctor in your nym.
There's more than one Doctor but there's only one Agamemnon!
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other
groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
That sounds more like Dave, aka The Doctor, to me. He loves
cross-posting everywhere to spread his chaos.
On 8/08/2026 7:41 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:.... but he will tell you that he is merely trying to attract other
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor
is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real
usenet bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho
groups and drives off real discussion,
I do nothing of the kind.
I think some people might have mixed you up with Dave, because
you have Doctor in your nym.
There's more than one Doctor but there's only one Agamemnon!
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other
groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
That sounds more like Dave, aka The Doctor, to me. He loves
cross-posting everywhere to spread his chaos.
posters into the 'Doctor Who' groups.
----
Daniel70
Scott Dorsey wrote in article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>:And a potty-mouth.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots. He
basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real discussion,
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups. Whether he >> is a an offical troll is hard to say.
I think you're speaking of the Doctor (Dave). The True Doctor (AGA) is a >different poster.
Neither are trolls, but AGA/the True Doctor definitely has some unusual >views.
In article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>,Well, then it's a good thing I didn't actually /call/ him a troll,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
Troll-calling is a USENET context form of
virtue-signalling.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:The annotators in the Oxford Annotated Bible, find it in the text
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 10:45:11 -0700, BobbieSellers >><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/6/26 09:29, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 11:20:07 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
=20
The Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is = >>who=20
profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
Ah. You cite Ayn Rand.
No I cite my reading of the scriptures and commentaries by various=20 >>>thoughtful people.
And yet, in my reading experience, it is Ayn Rand who asserted that,
to understand a religion, look at those receiving the offerings.
Ayn Rand did in fact say that. But many people said that long before she >did, including Jesus. So you are not wrong, but you may benefit from >broadening your reading experience.
Of course, being an arch Capitalist, she was prone to see everything
in terms of cash flow.
Economists, no matter what side of the spectrum they are on, tend to do
that. It's a useful viewpoint but a limited one.
And by "profits", you presumably mean their /food/ -- food for them
and their wives' and little ones' food as well.
There are religions where people can eat the sacrifices after the spiritual >part of them has been removed. There are others where the sacrifices have
to be burnt or in some other way made inedible. There are certainly OT >references to the latter but that doesn't mean the former didn't exist
there at that time.
In article <e90c7ltcm3t17ohoqpv86uictvcka1ukqp@4ax.com>,Whatever.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 09:15:43 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-08-06 10:44:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by many >>>>>> different people... then translated, mistranslated, revised, translated >>>>>> again to another different language, edited by church elders (with >>>>>> agendas), tidied up by
scholars, revised again with improved translations and now in 2026 are >>>>>> nothing more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was written >>>>> in Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite, Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician, >>>>> Greek, and Jewish historical texts from the periods that it covers.
Just because something is written down doesn't mean it is factual... I >>>> can write down a ton of crazy ideas, leave it for people in the future >>>> to be amazed at, yet it will still be a load of made-up nonsense.
Yep. Someone idiot in the future will find a copy of Harry Potter and >>>think wizards were real (some loonies today already think Harry Potter >>>is real!).
However, even accepting that the bible is based on ancient historical >>>> events - and they were documented accurately - with the amount of
corruptions and exaggerations that have taken place with those stories >>>> over the centuries, (Including errors with the textual transmission and >>>> revisions that served theological/institutional interests.) the sheeple >>>> who follow the various branches of Christianity today are generally
unknowledgeable about the primary sources of those ancient tales. So
what they are left with today, on face value, is basically a book of
fantasy tales and well meaning fables.
The bible is a propaganda tool for the Christian religion to enrich
itself with and the people running the various factions within it. L. >>>> Ron Hubbard knew what he was doing creating his own religion. People
are generally simple and gullible. The weaknesses within their minds
crave for something to follow and be a part of... and they will happily >>>> part with their money for that sense of belonging.
I don't know about "happy". In the early days, people were forced to >>>give up their money and land to the church. In some cases, if they >>>didn't convert to whichever looney religion the "missionaries" were >>>peddling, the non-believers were simply killed.
Yes, the holodomor in the Ukraine of those who refused to convert to >>Marxism-Leninism was quite awful.
Marxism-Leninism is satanic evil.
In article <hd0c7l50v5odp1rvl93dmt7jpk8h79v42r@4ax.com>,Who?
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor >><agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said >>instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
And your opinion on drwho ?
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 16:37:05 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
In article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
Troll-calling is a USENET context form of
virtue-signalling.
Well, then it's a good thing I didn't actually
/call/ him a troll, isn't it.
In article <1156t6q$1c9oi$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 22:41, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11555su$s8ju$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor
<agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said >>>>> instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
So I was right all the long. The Jews syncretised both of the main
protagonists of the Baal Epic, Jehovah (Yaw/Yam Nahar) and Baal-Hadad
(Adodus) and turned this gestalt into their god, since Baal-Hadad is
Adonai in Hebrew (equivalent to the Greek underworld gods Hades and
Adonis) and Jehovah from the Baal Epic is the Hyksos Pharoah Meruserenre >>>> Yakubher or Yakobaam Sekkhaenre. Thus YHWH's name is "I am Baal" = "I am >>>> the Lord" as he states to Noah in the book of Genesis. Yaku-bher =
Yako-baam = YH-WH = I'm Baal literally and Baal means Lord.
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
Elohim means The Gods in Hebrew. They were literally the gods or Titans >>>> who were led by Jehovah (Pontus=Yam Nahar=River Sea) and fought with El >>>> (Kronos) against his father Baal-Shamen (Uranus) to depose him according >>>> to Sanchuniathon's Phoenician history.
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
and Nephelim?
They're the same as the Niflheim in Norse mythology and refer to
European people from the north, specifically those from the Netherlands
who are the tallest people in the entire world.
Noah as was demonstrated by Josephus in his Antiquities was Ogygus the
historical King of Athens at the time of the Ogygian Deluge (ie. the
Thera Eruption of 1628 BC) and Janus the historical King of Italy at the
same time. All of these people are exactly the same person and are
derived from the same common written account which was still extant in
Egypt at the time of Solon (c.570 BC) which also forms the basis of the
story of Atlantis and Thymaetes' Phyrgia which we know from Diodorus,
who preserves the text of both the Atlantean account and Thymaetes, is
the same account as Ctesias' Persica and Berosus' Babylonica all of
which are quoted one after the other and tell exactly the same story.
There are only very minor differences between them. The full Roman
account of the Phrygia is preserved in The Travels of Noah Into Europe
by Robert Lynche who derives it from Annius de Viterbo (born Giovanni
Nanni), who derives it from pseudo-Berosus which derives from
pseudo-Ctesias, which derives from Alexander Polyhistor (the genuine
Berosus and Ctesias no longer being extant and Diodorus' accounts
probably being pseudo-Berosus and pseudo-Ctesias too) who probably
derives the account from Antiochus of Syracuse given the names of the
kings mentioned by Lynche are known to have been present in Antiochus'
no longer extant text of the Colonising of Italy and History of Sicily,
who wrote at the same time as the real Ctesias.
You can find the complete transcript into modern English here (along
with links to the original printed versions):
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
Josephus is a must read.
You have your own website I see.
In article <MPG.44dfd9b03f334a098a292@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote in article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots. He >>> basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real >>discussion,
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups. Whether he
is a an offical troll is hard to say.
I think you're speaking of the Doctor (Dave). The True Doctor (AGA) is a >>different poster.
Neither are trolls, but AGA/the True Doctor definitely has some unusual >>views.
That is why AGA nd I get along.
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <MPG.44dfd9b03f334a098a292@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote in article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>:
discussion,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll?
Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet
bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and
drives off real
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups.
Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
I think you're speaking of the Doctor (Dave). The True Doctor (AGA)
is a different poster.
Neither are trolls, but AGA/the True Doctor definitely has some
unusual views.
That is why AGA nd I get along.
Sorry for the confusion. It's hard to keep track of all the mess
coming out of rec.arts.drwho.
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 13:02:27 -0400, The True Melissa ><thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote in article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots. He >>> basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real >discussion,
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups. Whether he
is a an offical troll is hard to say.
I think you're speaking of the Doctor (Dave). The True Doctor (AGA) is a >>different poster.
Neither are trolls, but AGA/the True Doctor definitely has some unusual >>views.
And a potty-mouth.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 16:37:05 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
wrote:
In article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
Troll-calling is a USENET context form of
virtue-signalling.
Well, then it's a good thing I didn't actually /call/ him a troll,
isn't it.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 12:07:55 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 10:45:11 -0700, BobbieSellers >>><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/6/26 09:29, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 11:20:07 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
=20
The Hebrews might disagree but it means nothing. The real matter is = >>>who=20
profits by the sacrifices and it is the priestly classes. which
in the case of the ancient Jews were hereditary positions.
Ah. You cite Ayn Rand.
No I cite my reading of the scriptures and commentaries by various=20 >>>>thoughtful people.
And yet, in my reading experience, it is Ayn Rand who asserted that,
to understand a religion, look at those receiving the offerings.
Ayn Rand did in fact say that. But many people said that long before she >>did, including Jesus. So you are not wrong, but you may benefit from >>broadening your reading experience.
Of course, being an arch Capitalist, she was prone to see everything
in terms of cash flow.
Economists, no matter what side of the spectrum they are on, tend to do >>that. It's a useful viewpoint but a limited one.
And by "profits", you presumably mean their /food/ -- food for them
and their wives' and little ones' food as well.
There are religions where people can eat the sacrifices after the spiritual >>part of them has been removed. There are others where the sacrifices have >>to be burnt or in some other way made inedible. There are certainly OT >>references to the latter but that doesn't mean the former didn't exist >>there at that time.
The annotators in the Oxford Annotated Bible, find it in the text
itself.
Mind you, an anonymous annotation has no authority in itself. And some
have no authority at all, being plainly an example of pushing
someone's pet belief.
There are various types of sacrifices in, say, Leviticus. Some involve >burning the entire carcass. Others involve burning specified parts.
Some involve parts that only the priests on duty can eat. Others
involve parts that all priests (and their families) can eat, even if
they are deformed can cannot serve as priests.
The partiality of God for the stench of burning entrails was
established in the aftermath of the flood. And so was probably part of
other versions (Greek, Babylonian) as well.
I have occasionally toyed with the idea that the entire sacrificial
system was designed, not so much to support the tribe of Levi as to
provide the people with a familar religious practice, one as similar
as possible to that of their neighbors. But I have no idea what Modern >Scholarship has to say about this stuff.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 21:37:15 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
In article <e90c7ltcm3t17ohoqpv86uictvcka1ukqp@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 09:15:43 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>wrote:
On 2026-08-06 10:44:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 05/08/2026 14:39, Blueshirt wrote:Just because something is written down doesn't mean it is factual... I >>>>> can write down a ton of crazy ideas, leave it for people in the future >>>>> to be amazed at, yet it will still be a load of made-up nonsense.
Absolute poppycock. If you are referring to the Bible, it was written >>>>>> in Hebrew based on Egyptian, Hittite, Assyro-Babylonian, Phoenician, >>>>>> Greek, and Jewish historical texts from the periods that it covers. >>>>>
The ancient scriptures were written over hundreds of years, by many >>>>>>> different people... then translated, mistranslated, revised, translated
again to another different language, edited by church elders (with >>>>>>> agendas), tidied up by
scholars, revised again with improved translations and now in 2026 are >>>>>>> nothing more than fantasy tales for the simple folk to believe in. >>>>>>
Yep. Someone idiot in the future will find a copy of Harry Potter and >>>>think wizards were real (some loonies today already think Harry Potter >>>>is real!).
However, even accepting that the bible is based on ancient historical >>>>> events - and they were documented accurately - with the amount of
corruptions and exaggerations that have taken place with those stories >>>>> over the centuries, (Including errors with the textual transmission and >>>>> revisions that served theological/institutional interests.) the sheeple >>>>> who follow the various branches of Christianity today are generally >>>>> unknowledgeable about the primary sources of those ancient tales. So >>>>> what they are left with today, on face value, is basically a book of >>>>> fantasy tales and well meaning fables.
The bible is a propaganda tool for the Christian religion to enrich >>>>> itself with and the people running the various factions within it. L. >>>>> Ron Hubbard knew what he was doing creating his own religion. People >>>>> are generally simple and gullible. The weaknesses within their minds >>>>> crave for something to follow and be a part of... and they will happily >>>>> part with their money for that sense of belonging.
I don't know about "happy". In the early days, people were forced to >>>>give up their money and land to the church. In some cases, if they >>>>didn't convert to whichever looney religion the "missionaries" were >>>>peddling, the non-believers were simply killed.
Yes, the holodomor in the Ukraine of those who refused to convert to >>>Marxism-Leninism was quite awful.
Marxism-Leninism is satanic evil.
Whatever.
Personally, I think "religion" describes it quite well.
It sure irritates a lot of people who /insist/ that no form of atheism
can possibly be a religion.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 21:38:17 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
In article <hd0c7l50v5odp1rvl93dmt7jpk8h79v42r@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor >>><agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said >>>instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway.
And your opinion on drwho ?
Who?
Don't cross-post to other groups and then whine when they respond,
especially by pretending you were discussing Dr Who when you clearly
when were not.
And don't even /think/ about claiming it was "The True Doctor". You
never disowned his potty-mouthed nonsense, and it is too late for you
to do so now.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
In article <hple7l5a0eusttt8aglou8j1ecm49dupsg@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 16:37:05 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> >>wrote:
In article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True
Doctor is a troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed
bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence
of real usenet bots. He basically posts random
crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion, but occasionally will get threads
crossposted into other groups. Whether he is
a an offical troll is hard to say.
Troll-calling is a USENET context form of
virtue-signalling.
Well, then it's a good thing I didn't actually
/call/ him a troll, isn't it.
Absolutamente!
----
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| usenet verdict on adam h kerman |
| fuckchop+idiot+kook+scumbag+troll |
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On 08/08/2026 14:54, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1156t6q$1c9oi$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 22:41, The Doctor wrote:
In article <11555su$s8ju$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 07:43:58 +0100, The True Doctor
<agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snippo a lot of the nonsense>
On 07/08/2026 06:32, The Doctor wrote:
<snippo a whole lot of nonsense>
And what is Jevovah in Hebrew?
YHWH. Pronounced Jehovah.
Actually, it's not supposed to be pronounced at all. "Adonai" is said >>>>>> instead.
"Jehovah" combines the letters of YHWH with the vowels of "Adonai"
So I was right all the long. The Jews syncretised both of the main
protagonists of the Baal Epic, Jehovah (Yaw/Yam Nahar) and Baal-Hadad >>>>> (Adodus) and turned this gestalt into their god, since Baal-Hadad is >>>>> Adonai in Hebrew (equivalent to the Greek underworld gods Hades and
Adonis) and Jehovah from the Baal Epic is the Hyksos Pharoah Meruserenre >>>>> Yakubher or Yakobaam Sekkhaenre. Thus YHWH's name is "I am Baal" = "I am >>>>> the Lord" as he states to Noah in the book of Genesis. Yaku-bher =
Yako-baam = YH-WH = I'm Baal literally and Baal means Lord.
(or, it appears, "Elohim".
Elohim means The Gods in Hebrew. They were literally the gods or Titans >>>>> who were led by Jehovah (Pontus=Yam Nahar=River Sea) and fought with El >>>>> (Kronos) against his father Baal-Shamen (Uranus) to depose him according >>>>> to Sanchuniathon's Phoenician history.
For those actually interested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah>
This gets quite interesting in places. Well, I found it so, anyway. >>>>>
and Nephelim?
They're the same as the Niflheim in Norse mythology and refer to
European people from the north, specifically those from the Netherlands
who are the tallest people in the entire world.
Noah as was demonstrated by Josephus in his Antiquities was Ogygus the
historical King of Athens at the time of the Ogygian Deluge (ie. the
Thera Eruption of 1628 BC) and Janus the historical King of Italy at the >>> same time. All of these people are exactly the same person and are
derived from the same common written account which was still extant in
Egypt at the time of Solon (c.570 BC) which also forms the basis of the
story of Atlantis and Thymaetes' Phyrgia which we know from Diodorus,
who preserves the text of both the Atlantean account and Thymaetes, is
the same account as Ctesias' Persica and Berosus' Babylonica all of
which are quoted one after the other and tell exactly the same story.
There are only very minor differences between them. The full Roman
account of the Phrygia is preserved in The Travels of Noah Into Europe
by Robert Lynche who derives it from Annius de Viterbo (born Giovanni
Nanni), who derives it from pseudo-Berosus which derives from
pseudo-Ctesias, which derives from Alexander Polyhistor (the genuine
Berosus and Ctesias no longer being extant and Diodorus' accounts
probably being pseudo-Berosus and pseudo-Ctesias too) who probably
derives the account from Antiochus of Syracuse given the names of the
kings mentioned by Lynche are known to have been present in Antiochus'
no longer extant text of the Colonising of Italy and History of Sicily,
who wrote at the same time as the real Ctesias.
You can find the complete transcript into modern English here (along
with links to the original printed versions):
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
Josephus is a must read.
You have your own website I see.
Now updated with an introduction to the full text which validates
Josephus' claim.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person-a <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots.-a He
basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group are
those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude (is that my word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded popular lie that
Homer's works and the Bible were the product of an oral tradition,
despite writing having existed for over a millennium before both works
were composed and the historicity of both being verified by modern archaeology and the discovery (even in the time of Herodotus) of
Egyptian, Hittite, and Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions testifying to the historical people and events these texts mention. The Merneptah Stela
not only corroborates the account of the outbreak of the Trojan War and
the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described by Herodotus but also of
the Exodus as described by Manetho and the Bible even naming Israel
itself as being left devoid of seed. Then there's the Inscription and
mural or Ramses III which corroborates the attack on Egypt by Achaeans (named) led by Menelaus and Teukrians (named) led by Teucer the founder
of Salamis from a base in Cyprus which is referred to in the Odyssey and
is the basis of Euripides' play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups.
Whether he
is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:11587er$dk5$1@panix2.panix.com:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <MPG.44dfd9b03f334a098a292@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote in article <1154vif$jlk$1@panix2.panix.com>:
discussion,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll?
Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet
bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and
drives off real
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups.
Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
I think you're speaking of the Doctor (Dave). The True Doctor (AGA)
is a different poster.
Neither are trolls, but AGA/the True Doctor definitely has some
unusual views.
That is why AGA nd I get along.
Sorry for the confusion. It's hard to keep track of all the mess
coming out of rec.arts.drwho.
Has Binky(Word used by paedophiles to indicate their joy of child sexual molestation) (AKA "The Doctor" but not "The True Doctor")from RADW called
you a pedophile yet? Don't worry, he will. It'll be easier to tell them >apart.
Wait until Binky(Word used by paedophiles to indicate their joy of child sexual molestation) sets followups to alt.sex.pedophilia.
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
----
"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
On 8/7/2026 11:48 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person-a <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots.-a He >>> basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group are
those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude (is that my
word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded popular lie that
Homer's works and the Bible were the product of an oral tradition,
despite writing having existed for over a millennium before both works
were composed and the historicity of both being verified by modern
archaeology and the discovery (even in the time of Herodotus) of
Egyptian, Hittite, and Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions testifying to the
historical people and events these texts mention. The Merneptah Stela
not only corroborates the account of the outbreak of the Trojan War and
the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described by Herodotus but also of
the Exodus as described by Manetho and the Bible even naming Israel
itself as being left devoid of seed. Then there's the Inscription and
mural or Ramses III which corroborates the attack on Egypt by Achaeans
(named) led by Menelaus and Teukrians (named) led by Teucer the founder
of Salamis from a base in Cyprus which is referred to in the Odyssey and
is the basis of Euripides' play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups.
Whether he
is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
We have people like this drop into rasfw periodically. They all follow
the same pattern: They have some elaborate theory that they desperately
want to be taken seriously, but which falls apart under expert academic >scrutiny.
They come to rasfw thinking we'll be more open minded and accepting, but >don't realize that decades of reading SF leaves fans with the most
sensitive bullshit detectors on the planet.
When we don't bow down to their claimed expertise, they get upset, and >eventually decamp. I fully expect 'The True Doctor' to do so in time.
pt--
When we don't bow down to their claimed expertise, they get upset, and eventually decamp. I fully expect 'The True Doctor' to do so in time.
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
Indeed. Now, in those days we had trolls that were real trolls. We
will never see the likes of Carasso again. These kids have but a pale
shadow of his trolling.
--scott
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:1158f8t$rpl$1@panix2.panix.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
Indeed. Now, in those days we had trolls that were real trolls. We
will never see the likes of Carasso again. These kids have but a pale
shadow of his trolling.
--scott
Back in those days I had to wade uphill past 400 other posts just to beg to >be allowed to get in line to be trolled by CARASSO.
----
"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
On 8/7/2026 11:48 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person-a <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or,
worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots.-a He >>> basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group are
those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude (is that
my word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded popular lie that
Homer's works and the Bible were the product of an oral tradition,
despite writing having existed for over a millennium before both works
were composed and the historicity of both being verified by modern
archaeology and the discovery (even in the time of Herodotus) of
Egyptian, Hittite, and Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions testifying to
the historical people and events these texts mention. The Merneptah
Stela not only corroborates the account of the outbreak of the Trojan
War and the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described by Herodotus
but also of the Exodus as described by Manetho and the Bible even
naming Israel itself as being left devoid of seed. Then there's the
Inscription and mural or Ramses III which corroborates the attack on
Egypt by Achaeans (named) led by Menelaus and Teukrians (named) led by
Teucer the founder of Salamis from a base in Cyprus which is referred
to in the Odyssey and is the basis of Euripides' play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups.
Whether he
is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
We have people like this drop into rasfw periodically. They all follow
the same pattern: They have some elaborate theory that they desperately
want to-a be taken seriously, but which falls apart under expert academic scrutiny.
They come to rasfw thinking we'll be more open minded and accepting, but don't realize that decades of reading SF leaves fans with the most
sensitive bullshit detectors on the planet.
When we don't bow down to their claimed expertise, they get upset, and eventually decamp. I fully expect 'The True Doctor' to do so in time.
pt
On 09/08/2026 02:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/7/2026 11:48 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person-a <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or, >>>>> worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet bots.-a He >>>> basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group are
those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude (is that
my word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded popular lie that
Homer's works and the Bible were the product of an oral tradition,
despite writing having existed for over a millennium before both works
were composed and the historicity of both being verified by modern
archaeology and the discovery (even in the time of Herodotus) of
Egyptian, Hittite, and Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions testifying to
the historical people and events these texts mention. The Merneptah
Stela not only corroborates the account of the outbreak of the Trojan
War and the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described by Herodotus
but also of the Exodus as described by Manetho and the Bible even
naming Israel itself as being left devoid of seed. Then there's the
Inscription and mural or Ramses III which corroborates the attack on
Egypt by Achaeans (named) led by Menelaus and Teukrians (named) led by
Teucer the founder of Salamis from a base in Cyprus which is referred
to in the Odyssey and is the basis of Euripides' play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups.
Whether he
is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
We have people like this drop into rasfw periodically. They all follow
the same pattern: They have some elaborate theory that they desperately
want to-a be taken seriously, but which falls apart under expert academic
scrutiny.
You mean like the total and absolute BOLLOCKS of oral traditions? As
opposed to the truth, that writing was in continuous use in ancient
Greece (including Cyprus and Asia-Minor) since 1900 BC without
interruption as has been proven archaeologically and history was written >down. As opposed to accepting what ancient historians wrote down
themselves, that kings lists and lists of Argive priestesses of Hera
were written down and preserved since 1700 or 1800 BC along with the
notable historical events that happened year by year while they were in >office. Oh no, that simple idea of actually recording history in writing >year-by-year can't possibly be true, so, these totally degenerate fools
have to invent a complete and utter total load of BOLLOCKS about oral >traditions, without even knowing what an oral tradition even is, PARRY
SAID THEY WERE ALL BY DEFINITION REQUIRED TO UNDERGO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE >EVERY TIME THEY WERE PASSED ON TO DIFFERENT POETS YOU *ING IGNORANT >UNEDUCATED IMBECILE, in order to make everything extremely complicated
for everyone else so that they can put forward anything they want to
make up themselves out of thin air to suit their political views and
pretend that it's actual history and no one else who they don't deem
capable of understanding their stupid illogical nonsense is a fool that
must be ridiculed so that others are discouraged from also calling out
their lies. *ING DEGENERATE IMBECILES!
They come to rasfw thinking we'll be more open minded and accepting, but
don't realize that decades of reading SF leaves fans with the most
sensitive bull* detectors on the planet.
Reading George Orwell's 1984 makes it obvious that these degenerate
fucking imbeciles proposing that oral traditions even existed when there
is not one single ancient or even more recent source prior to Parry even >recording their existence, NOT ONE, and even Parry said it was
impossible to prove they were even a traditions, let alone them
recording actual history, which Parry didn't even go as far as stating >anyway, because he only considered them to be a means of creating
fiction in literate societies where everything was eventually written
down and recorded, including the material he used for his own studies,
are working for MINITRUE and employed in the Department of Fiction
rewriting and dissembling history and literature in order to insert
their ignorant deranged thoughts and political messages so as to serve
their degenerate left-wing ideology, the ideology of George Orwell's
Nazis, that of Ingsoc, the English Socialist Party. *ING MORONS!
When we don't bow down to their claimed expertise, they get upset, and
eventually decamp. I fully expect 'The True Doctor' to do so in time.
pt
I'm calling you out as the Emperor With No Clothes. You don't have a
shred of evidence to dispute the simple fact that ancient history and
poetry was recorded in writing, so you try to make out that everyone who >sees you parading down the streets completely naked, covered only with
your invisible birthday suit of oral traditions (which you don't even >understand and have not even read the original source material for,
which says the complete opposite of what you are calming), is an idiot, >except after you have been called out by little boy stating the obvious
they are all laughing their heads off at you. YOU STUPID *ING DEGENERATE!
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
Why do we have odd characters coming from rasfw?
The Doctor wrote in article <1159p0g$1quq$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Why do we have odd characters coming from rasfw?
Dave, how have you been on Usenet this long without understanding >crossposts? They're not "coming in." They're reading from RASFW.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
What about King James version?It was "The Bible" when I was growing up. I still have several copies
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
We have people like this drop into rasfw periodically.
They all follow the same pattern: They have some elaborate
theory that they desperately want to be taken seriously, but
which falls apart under expert academic scrutiny.
They come to rasfw thinking we'll be more open minded and
accepting, but don't realize that decades of reading SF leaves
fans with the most sensitive bullshit detectors on the planet.
When we don't bow down to their claimed expertise, they get
upset, and eventually decamp. I fully expect 'The True Doctor'
to do so in time.
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:51:32 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
What about King James version?
It was "The Bible" when I was growing up. I still have several copies
-- one of them (from an ancestor 3 or 4 generations back) even
mentions the alternate readings and notes that they have been dropped.
It also has an essay explaining how it was done, something that most
later versions have also dropped. [1]
I read the NEB for decades, but am currently back to the RSV.
[1] No, this is not the Dedicatory Epistle. IIRC, the process is--
pretty much the same as for the NEB and RSV (and probably every other
major English translation): gather a bunch of scholars from different >traditions, divide into a heirarchy of teams (everyone, OT/NT,
Law/Prophets, Writings or Gospels/Epistles/Acts/Revelation), into
specific books, then into parts of book for each scholar to translate,
then endless committees: each part, each book, each testament, the
whole thing must be approved by everybody and pounded into a common
style at each level).
It should go without saying that this is not what some of the nuttier >partisans of the KJV want to hear. /They want to hear that each of the
72 scholars translated the whole thing and then, when they were
compared, all 72 translations were found to be identical down to the
very punctuation. Or maybe that was the Septuagint.
Dropping all that stuff, not so much how it was done but the alternate >readings, giving the impression that each verse has One and Only One
True Translation did a lot to produce those nutters over the
centuries.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
------
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:1158f8t$rpl$1@panix2.panix.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
Indeed. Now, in those days we had trolls that were real trolls. We
will never see the likes of Carasso again. These kids have but a pale
shadow of his trolling.
Back in those days I had to wade uphill past 400 other posts just to beg to >be allowed to get in line to be trolled by CARASSO.
----
"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
On 09/08/2026 02:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/7/2026 11:48 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a
troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet
bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and
drives off real discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group
are those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude
(is that my word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded
popular lie that Homer's works and the Bible were the product of
an oral tradition, despite writing having existed for over a
millennium before both works were composed and the historicity
of both being verified by modern archaeology and the discovery
(even in the time of Herodotus) of Egyptian, Hittite, and
Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions testifying to the historical
people and events these texts mention. The Merneptah Stela not
only corroborates the account of the outbreak of the Trojan War
and the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described by Herodotus
but also of the Exodus as described by Manetho and the Bible
even naming Israel itself as being left devoid of seed. Then
there's the Inscription and mural or Ramses III which
corroborates the attack on Egypt by Achaeans (named) led by
Menelaus and Teukrians (named) led by Teucer the founder of
Salamis from a base in Cyprus which is referred to in the Odyssey
and is the basis of Euripides' play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other
groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
We have people like this drop into rasfw periodically. They all
follow the same pattern: They have some elaborate theory that they
desperately want to be taken seriously, but which falls apart
under expert academic scrutiny.
You mean like the total and absolute BOLLOCKS of oral traditions? As
opposed to the truth, that writing was in continuous use in ancient
Greece (including Cyprus and Asia-Minor) since 1900 BC without
interruption as has been proven archaeologically and history was
written down.
As opposed to accepting what ancient historians wrote down
themselves, that kings lists and lists of Argive priestesses of Hera
were written down
and preserved since 1700 or 1800 BC along with the notable
historical events that happened year by year while they were in
office.
Oh no, that simple idea of actually recording history in writing year-by-year can't possibly be true, so, these totally degenerate
fools have to invent a complete and utter total load of BOLLOCKS
about oral traditions,
without even knowing what an oral tradition even is,
PARRY SAID THEY WERE ALL BY DEFINITION REQUIRED TO UNDERGO
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE EVERY TIME THEY WERE PASSED ON TO DIFFERENT POETS
I would accept that the edujamacated peeoples WERE able to WRITE stuff
down .... but not the VAST majority of people, probably not even, necessarily, the Rulers. I mean, WHY did they have Scribes if they could write stuff down themselves??
On 9/08/2026 1:45 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 09/08/2026 02:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/7/2026 11:48 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a
troll? Or, worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet
bots. He basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and
drives off real discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group
are those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude
(is that my word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded
popular lie that Homer's works and the Bible were the product of
an oral tradition, despite writing having existed for over a
millennium before both works were composed and the historicity
of both being verified by modern archaeology and the discovery
(even in the time of Herodotus) of Egyptian, Hittite, and
Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions testifying to the historical
people and events these texts mention. The Merneptah Stela not
only corroborates the account of the outbreak of the Trojan War
and the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described by Herodotus
but also of the Exodus as described by Manetho and the Bible
even naming Israel itself as being left devoid of seed. Then
there's the Inscription and mural or Ramses III which
corroborates the attack on Egypt by Achaeans (named) led by
Menelaus and Teukrians (named) led by Teucer the founder of
Salamis from a base in Cyprus which is referred to in the Odyssey
and is the basis of Euripides' play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other
groups. Whether he is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
We have people like this drop into rasfw periodically. They all
follow the same pattern: They have some elaborate theory that they
desperately want to be taken seriously, but which falls apart
under expert academic scrutiny.
You mean like the total and absolute BOLLOCKS of oral traditions? As
opposed to the truth, that writing was in continuous use in ancient
Greece (including Cyprus and Asia-Minor) since 1900 BC without
interruption as has been proven archaeologically and history was
written down.
I would accept that the edujamacated peeoples WERE able to WRITE stuff
down .... but not the VAST majority of people, probably not even, >necessarily, the Rulers. I mean, WHY did they have Scribes if they could >write stuff down themselves??
As opposed to accepting what ancient historians wrote down
themselves, that kings lists and lists of Argive priestesses of Hera
were written down
Priests and Priestesses, being educated peoples themselves, THEY would
be able to Read and Write!!
and preserved since 1700 or 1800 BC along with the notable
historical events that happened year by year while they were in
office.
Preserved by The Scribes.
Oh no, that simple idea of actually recording history in writing
year-by-year can't possibly be true, so, these totally degenerate
fools have to invent a complete and utter total load of BOLLOCKS
about oral traditions,
Oral Traditions WOULD have been in place LOONNNGGGG before Written
Traditions started to be widespread!
without even knowing what an oral tradition even is,
Sorry! So People were Writing stuff down BEFORE people spoke that
stuff!! Really??
PARRY SAID THEY WERE ALL BY DEFINITION REQUIRED TO UNDERGO
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE EVERY TIME THEY WERE PASSED ON TO DIFFERENT POETS
Oh!! Look out! Now we have Poets BEFORE people can write. Well, Poetry
IS an Oral art, so maybe Aggy is right about this.
----
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote in article <115cmlj$36ou4$1@dont-email.me>:
I would accept that the edujamacated peeoples WERE able to WRITE stuff
down .... but not the VAST majority of people, probably not even,
necessarily, the Rulers. I mean, WHY did they have Scribes if they could
write stuff down themselves??
One interesting thing about Hammurabi is that all his tablets
were carved by the same hand. He may have had the same scribe
throughout his life, but a more likely explanation is that
Hammurabi himself was literate. That was, indeed, unusual at the
time. That's why it stands out.
By Homer's time, though, I expect the ruling classes were all
literate. I remember reading about how dreary Emperor Julian's
early education was; it's remarkable that anyone ever read for
pleasure after such a beginning.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
In article <115cmlj$36ou4$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
PARRY SAID THEY WERE ALL BY DEFINITION REQUIRED TO UNDERGO
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE EVERY TIME THEY WERE PASSED ON TO DIFFERENT POETS
Oh!! Look out! Now we have Poets BEFORE people can write. Well, Poetry
IS an Oral art, so maybe Aggy is right about this.
What can we say about Dannyboy?
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:And some people think kids today are bad!
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in >>news:1158f8t$rpl$1@panix2.panix.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
Indeed. Now, in those days we had trolls that were real trolls. We
will never see the likes of Carasso again. These kids have but a pale
shadow of his trolling.
Back in those days I had to wade uphill past 400 other posts just to beg to >>be allowed to get in line to be trolled by CARASSO.
This is because he, like many, started trolling people in real life before >moving to the net. The kids today have it easy, never actually leaving
their parents' basement to troll anyone in person. To wit:
In article <15025@chaph.usc.edu> carasso@aludra.usc.edu (Roger RDC Carasso) writ
es:
TRUE:
Me and a couple of my friends at Cal Poly went into a porn movie
with several Soft Soap Bottles in a backpack. We'd yell out "Oh, oh,
oh, yes, yes, I'm coming!", and then squirt out the Soft Soap off the
balcony. Some guy below then yelled "HEY...What the fuck is *this*!"
We were laughing our heads off.
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
Explain the Nepelim then.
The Doctor wrote in article <115cq0u$1ao0$45@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <115cmlj$36ou4$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
PARRY SAID THEY WERE ALL BY DEFINITION REQUIRED TO UNDERGO
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE EVERY TIME THEY WERE PASSED ON TO DIFFERENT POETS
Oh!! Look out! Now we have Poets BEFORE people can write. Well, Poetry
IS an Oral art, so maybe Aggy is right about this.
What can we say about Dannyboy?
Well, we did have poets before we had writing. Music/poetry is
our oldest art form, older than cave paintings, and it began as a
single thing. That was long before any literacy.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 08:01:09 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:Carasso) writ
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in >>>news:1158f8t$rpl$1@panix2.panix.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
Indeed. Now, in those days we had trolls that were real trolls. We
will never see the likes of Carasso again. These kids have but a pale >>>> shadow of his trolling.
Back in those days I had to wade uphill past 400 other posts just to beg to >>>be allowed to get in line to be trolled by CARASSO.
This is because he, like many, started trolling people in real life before >>moving to the net. The kids today have it easy, never actually leaving >>their parents' basement to troll anyone in person. To wit:
In article <15025@chaph.usc.edu> carasso@aludra.usc.edu (Roger RDC
es:
TRUE:
Me and a couple of my friends at Cal Poly went into a porn movie
with several Soft Soap Bottles in a backpack. We'd yell out "Oh, oh,
oh, yes, yes, I'm coming!", and then squirt out the Soft Soap off the
balcony. Some guy below then yelled "HEY...What the fuck is *this*!"
We were laughing our heads off.
And some people think kids today are bad!
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 19:08:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>>Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
Explain the Nepelim then.
I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
You do realize that, being pre-Flood, the story has to be that they
all drowned and any later giants (like Goliath) had a different
origin, right?
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
In article <hisj7lpfc4v9dh03aog5u23hgls2sjcp0g@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
And some people think kids today are bad!
Cujo is a tasteless troll
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 19:08:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
Explain the Nepelim then.
I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
You do realize that, being pre-Flood, the story has to be that they
all drowned and any later giants (like Goliath) had a different
origin, right?
In article <MPG.44e3b8685c6f6adc98a2cd@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Well, we did have poets before we had writing. Music/poetry is
our oldest art form, older than cave paintings, and it began as a
single thing. That was long before any literacy.
Please explain the Dead Sea Scrolls.
On 09/08/2026 02:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/7/2026 11:48 PM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:02, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person-a <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Anyone else beginning to suspect that The True Doctor is a troll? Or, >>>>> worse, a potty-mouthed bot?
He is not a bot since he predates the existence of real usenet
bots.-a He
basically posts random crap to the drwho groups and drives off real
discussion,
I do nothing of the kind. The ones posting crap into this group are
those demonstrating the enormity of their total imbecilitude (is that
my word of the Captain's?) by repeating the unfounded popular lie
that Homer's works and the Bible were the product of an oral
tradition, despite writing having existed for over a millennium
before both works were composed and the historicity of both being
verified by modern archaeology and the discovery (even in the time of
Herodotus) of Egyptian, Hittite, and Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions
testifying to the historical people and events these texts mention.
The Merneptah Stela not only corroborates the account of the outbreak
of the Trojan War and the attack on Egypt by the Trojans as described
by Herodotus but also of the Exodus as described by Manetho and the
Bible even naming Israel itself as being left devoid of seed. Then
there's the Inscription and mural or Ramses III which corroborates
the attack on Egypt by Achaeans (named) led by Menelaus and Teukrians
(named) led by Teucer the founder of Salamis from a base in Cyprus
which is referred to in the Odyssey and is the basis of Euripides'
play Helen.
but occasionally will get threads crossposted into other groups.
Whether he
is a an offical troll is hard to say.
--scott
We have people like this drop into rasfw periodically. They all follow
the same pattern: They have some elaborate theory that they desperately
want to-a be taken seriously, but which falls apart under expert academic
scrutiny.
You mean like the total and absolute BOLLOCKS of oral traditions? As
opposed to the truth, that writing was in continuous use in ancient
Greece (including Cyprus and Asia-Minor) since 1900 BC without
interruption as has been proven archaeologically and history was written down. As opposed to accepting what ancient historians wrote down
themselves, that kings lists and lists of Argive priestesses of Hera
were written down and preserved since 1700 or 1800 BC along with the
notable historical events that happened year by year while they were in office. Oh no, that simple idea of actually recording history in writing year-by-year can't possibly be true, so, these totally degenerate fools
have to invent a complete and utter total load of BOLLOCKS about oral traditions, without even knowing what an oral tradition even is, PARRY
SAID THEY WERE ALL BY DEFINITION REQUIRED TO UNDERGO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE EVERY TIME THEY WERE PASSED ON TO DIFFERENT POETS YOU FUCKING IGNORANT UNEDUCATED IMBECILE, in order to make everything extremely complicated
for everyone else so that they can put forward anything they want to
make up themselves out of thin air to suit their political views and
pretend that it's actual history and no one else who they don't deem
capable of understanding their stupid illogical nonsense is a fool that
must be ridiculed so that others are discouraged from also calling out
their lies. FUCKING DEGENERATE IMBECILES!
They come to rasfw thinking we'll be more open minded and accepting, but
don't realize that decades of reading SF leaves fans with the most
sensitive bullshit detectors on the planet.
Reading George Orwell's 1984 makes it obvious that these degenerate
fucking imbeciles proposing that oral traditions even existed when there
is not one single ancient or even more recent source prior to Parry even recording their existence, NOT ONE, and even Parry said it was
impossible to prove they were even a traditions, let alone them
recording actual history, which Parry didn't even go as far as stating anyway, because he only considered them to be a means of creating
fiction in literate societies where everything was eventually written
down and recorded, including the material he used for his own studies,
are working for MINITRUE and employed in the Department of Fiction
rewriting and dissembling history and literature in order to insert
their ignorant deranged thoughts and political messages so as to serve
their degenerate left-wing ideology, the ideology of George Orwell's
Nazis, that of Ingsoc, the English Socialist Party. FUCKING MORONS!
When we don't bow down to their claimed expertise, they get upset, and
eventually decamp. I fully expect 'The True Doctor' to do so in time.
pt
I'm calling you out as the Emperor With No Clothes. You don't have a
shred of evidence to dispute the simple fact that ancient history and
poetry was recorded in writing, so you try to make out that everyone who sees you parading down the streets completely naked, covered only with
your invisible birthday suit of oral traditions (which you don't even understand and have not even read the original source material for,
which says the complete opposite of what you are calming), is an idiot, except after you have been called out by little boy stating the obvious
they are all laughing their heads off at you. YOU STUPID FUCKING
DEGENERATE!
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in >>news:1158f8t$rpl$1@panix2.panix.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
Indeed. Now, in those days we had trolls that were real trolls. We
will never see the likes of Carasso again. These kids have but a
pale shadow of his trolling.
Back in those days I had to wade uphill past 400 other posts just to
beg to be allowed to get in line to be trolled by CARASSO.
This is because he, like many, started trolling people in real life
before moving to the net. The kids today have it easy, never actually leaving their parents' basement to troll anyone in person. To wit:
In article <15025@chaph.usc.edu> carasso@aludra.usc.edu (Roger RDC
Carasso) writ es:
TRUE:
Me and a couple of my friends at Cal Poly went into a porn movie
with several Soft Soap Bottles in a backpack. We'd yell out "Oh,
oh, oh, yes, yes, I'm coming!", and then squirt out the Soft Soap
off the balcony. Some guy below then yelled "HEY...What the fuck
is *this*!" We were laughing our heads off.
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <hisj7lpfc4v9dh03aog5u23hgls2sjcp0g@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
And some people think kids today are bad!
Cujo is a tasteless troll
Perhaps, but Cujo is a pretty good troll. At least he displays skill
at the game. Better than crossposting random screeds all over.
--scott
The Doctor wrote in article <115csnt$15kp$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44e3b8685c6f6adc98a2cd@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Well, we did have poets before we had writing. Music/poetry is
our oldest art form, older than cave paintings, and it began as a
single thing. That was long before any literacy.
Please explain the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Explain what about them? That was considerably after cave-
dwelling times.
Paul S Person wrote in article
<iusj7lldbitgimdhtj44sfieptff7oddpg@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 19:08:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
Doctor) wrote:
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
Explain the Nepelim then.
I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
You do realize that, being pre-Flood, the story has to be that they
all drowned and any later giants (like Goliath) had a different
origin, right?
One of the Gnostic gospels tells of a tribe of Nephilim preserved
in the mountains. The left-out gospels talk about all kinds of
things the preserved ones didn't mention.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The Doctor wrote in article <115csnt$15kp$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44e3b8685c6f6adc98a2cd@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Well, we did have poets before we had writing. Music/poetry is
our oldest art form, older than cave paintings, and it began as a
single thing. That was long before any literacy.
Please explain the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Explain what about them? That was considerably after cave-
dwelling times.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:115cei5$aqi$1@panix2.panix.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in >>>news:1158f8t$rpl$1@panix2.panix.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
PS: ALL HAI TEEDOTBEE.
Indeed. Now, in those days we had trolls that were real trolls. We
will never see the likes of Carasso again. These kids have but a
pale shadow of his trolling.
Back in those days I had to wade uphill past 400 other posts just to
beg to be allowed to get in line to be trolled by CARASSO.
This is because he, like many, started trolling people in real life
before moving to the net. The kids today have it easy, never actually
leaving their parents' basement to troll anyone in person. To wit:
In article <15025@chaph.usc.edu> carasso@aludra.usc.edu (Roger RDC
Carasso) writ es:
TRUE:
Me and a couple of my friends at Cal Poly went into a porn movie
with several Soft Soap Bottles in a backpack. We'd yell out "Oh,
oh, oh, yes, yes, I'm coming!", and then squirt out the Soft Soap
off the balcony. Some guy below then yelled "HEY...What the fuck
is *this*!" We were laughing our heads off.
That'll teach them to sit in the front without umbrellas. I recall him >setting off Merde by calling her a "fat hairy douchebag".
Mao pissing off Gnat and pretending it was his son all along was a
classic backpedal and self own.
----
"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:115cu8v$6rs$1@panix2.panix.com:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <hisj7lpfc4v9dh03aog5u23hgls2sjcp0g@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
And some people think kids today are bad!
Cujo is a tasteless troll
Perhaps, but Cujo is a pretty good troll. At least he displays skill
at the game. Better than crossposting random screeds all over.
--scott
<snicker>
Nadless T. Capon thinks trolling is setting followups to
alt.sex.pedophilia. Charming bloke, isn't he?
----
"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
In article <MPG.44e3e0ea422ba0ed98a2d1@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Explain what about them? That was considerably after cave-
dwelling times.
But ancient written scrools.
The Doctor wrote in article <115e1q5$20ke$19@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44e3e0ea422ba0ed98a2d1@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Explain what about them? That was considerably after cave-
dwelling times.
But ancient written scrools.
There's nothing to explain. They're from after the preliterate
period. That doesn't mean the preliterate period didn't exist.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
Paul S Person wrote in articleTo this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find left-out books
<iusj7lldbitgimdhtj44sfieptff7oddpg@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 19:08:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
Doctor) wrote:
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
Explain the Nepelim then.
I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
You do realize that, being pre-Flood, the story has to be that they
all drowned and any later giants (like Goliath) had a different
origin, right?
One of the Gnostic gospels tells of a tribe of Nephilim preserved
in the mountains. The left-out gospels talk about all kinds of
things the preserved ones didn't mention.
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find
left-out books that mention all kinds of things the
preserved ones don't mention.
Is AI, when fed literature to learn from, able to distinguish
between books that are factual and works of fiction? Not just
biblical scriptures, but generally. Does it know when something
written down is made up?
If its machine learning was fed tons of sci-fi books would it
know it was sci-fi, or would it take the written words at face
value and believe those fantastical worlds and the many
varieties of alien species were real?
Paul S Person wrote:
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find
left-out books that mention all kinds of things the
preserved ones don't mention.
Question.
Is AI, when fed literature to learn from, able to distinguish
between books that are factual and works of fiction? Not just
biblical scriptures, but generally. Does it know when something
written down is made up?
If its machine learning was fed tons of sci-fi books would it
know it was sci-fi, or would it take the written words at face
value and believe those fantastical worlds and the many
varieties of alien species were real?
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 14:21:27 -0400, The True Melissa ><thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote in article >><iusj7lldbitgimdhtj44sfieptff7oddpg@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 19:08:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
Doctor) wrote:
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>> >>Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense.
Explain the Nepelim then.
I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
You do realize that, being pre-Flood, the story has to be that they
all drowned and any later giants (like Goliath) had a different
origin, right?
One of the Gnostic gospels tells of a tribe of Nephilim preserved
in the mountains. The left-out gospels talk about all kinds of
things the preserved ones didn't mention.
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find left-out books
that mention all kinds of things the preserved ones don't mention.
Flying saucers. I very strange theory that suns burn out and become
planets which, when they find a sun to orbit, produce life. All sorts
of things.
Highly intellectual theories also abound. I book of my father's,
/Pocket Bible Handbook/ by Henry H. Halley spends a lot of time
documenting when writing was developed in Egypt. Why? Because one of
those theories asserted that Moses could not have written the first
five books because /writing had not been invented yet/. Such is the
wisdom of pointy-headed intellectual double-domes! The same sort as >Schliemann proved wrong by digging up Troy, Mycenae, Knossos.
This was a well-printed, well-bound book. It is not a paperback, but
the material used for the back and covers is not what a hardback book
would have either. The current version, on Amazon, looks, I must say,
a lot spiffier.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Paul S Person wrote:Not yet.
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find
left-out books that mention all kinds of things the
preserved ones don't mention.
Question.
Is AI, when fed literature to learn from, able to distinguish
between books that are factual and works of fiction? Not just
biblical scriptures, but generally. Does it know when something
written down is made up?
If its machine learning was fed tons of sci-fi books would itThe models currently available to everybody, AFAIK, just follow one
know it was sci-fi, or would it take the written words at face
value and believe those fantastical worlds and the many
varieties of alien species were real?
In article <nbim7l9f4iitc0mbbgsk42fdm0epsfg9rl@4ax.com>,I was thinking more of a book on Revelation (read over the past few
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 14:21:27 -0400, The True Melissa >><thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote in article >>><iusj7lldbitgimdhtj44sfieptff7oddpg@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 19:08:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>>> Doctor) wrote:
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>>> >>Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense. >>>> >>
Explain the Nepelim then.
I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
You do realize that, being pre-Flood, the story has to be that they
all drowned and any later giants (like Goliath) had a different
origin, right?
One of the Gnostic gospels tells of a tribe of Nephilim preserved
in the mountains. The left-out gospels talk about all kinds of
things the preserved ones didn't mention.
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find left-out books
that mention all kinds of things the preserved ones don't mention.
Flying saucers. I very strange theory that suns burn out and become
planets which, when they find a sun to orbit, produce life. All sorts
of things.
Highly intellectual theories also abound. I book of my father's,
/Pocket Bible Handbook/ by Henry H. Halley spends a lot of time
documenting when writing was developed in Egypt. Why? Because one of
those theories asserted that Moses could not have written the first
five books because /writing had not been invented yet/. Such is the
wisdom of pointy-headed intellectual double-domes! The same sort as >>Schliemann proved wrong by digging up Troy, Mycenae, Knossos.
This was a well-printed, well-bound book. It is not a paperback, but
the material used for the back and covers is not what a hardback book
would have either. The current version, on Amazon, looks, I must say,
a lot spiffier.
Roswell 1947 anyone?
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 20:23:48 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find
left-out books that mention all kinds of things the
preserved ones don't mention.
Question.
Is AI, when fed literature to learn from, able to distinguish
between books that are factual and works of fiction? Not just
biblical scriptures, but generally. Does it know when something
written down is made up?
Not yet.
If its machine learning was fed tons of sci-fi books would it
know it was sci-fi, or would it take the written words at face
value and believe those fantastical worlds and the many
varieties of alien species were real?
The models currently available to everybody, AFAIK, just follow one
word by another word based on how often that happens in what they
read.
But perhaps they are more advanced now. If "advanced" is the word for
"closer to seizing control of the missiles and launching them".
On Wed, 12 Aug 2026 04:58:40 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:
In article <nbim7l9f4iitc0mbbgsk42fdm0epsfg9rl@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 14:21:27 -0400, The True Melissa >>><thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote in article >>>><iusj7lldbitgimdhtj44sfieptff7oddpg@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 19:08:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>>>> Doctor) wrote:
In article <hg9h7l5p3anh743up6td1jsjsm29n8gtik@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 23:52:58 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >>>>> >>Doctor) wrote:
<snippo>
Ateism is a spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure Satan is biological equipped for spawning. In any sense. >>>>> >>
Explain the Nepelim then.
I think the text is quite clear. What's to explain?
You do realize that, being pre-Flood, the story has to be that they
all drowned and any later giants (like Goliath) had a different
origin, right?
One of the Gnostic gospels tells of a tribe of Nephilim preserved
in the mountains. The left-out gospels talk about all kinds of
things the preserved ones didn't mention.
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find left-out books
that mention all kinds of things the preserved ones don't mention.
Flying saucers. I very strange theory that suns burn out and become >>>planets which, when they find a sun to orbit, produce life. All sorts
of things.
Highly intellectual theories also abound. I book of my father's,
/Pocket Bible Handbook/ by Henry H. Halley spends a lot of time >>>documenting when writing was developed in Egypt. Why? Because one of >>>those theories asserted that Moses could not have written the first
five books because /writing had not been invented yet/. Such is the >>>wisdom of pointy-headed intellectual double-domes! The same sort as >>>Schliemann proved wrong by digging up Troy, Mycenae, Knossos.
This was a well-printed, well-bound book. It is not a paperback, but
the material used for the back and covers is not what a hardback book >>>would have either. The current version, on Amazon, looks, I must say,
a lot spiffier.
Roswell 1947 anyone?
I was thinking more of a book on Revelation (read over the past few
years as one of many such books inherited from my grandfather, who had
an interest in the topic) that shows a /color/ (and so quite
expensive) picture of a purported "flying saucer".
It also claimed that, when Jesus talked about summoning legions of
angels, those angels would space aliens from other planets. And
similar tripe. Still, it was at least different from the others.
The second bit was from a book which then proceded to discuss /every
single Bible story/ in which someone descended and returned. There are
quite a few even I could think of if I bothered to try. He found a lot
more because, of course, he was looking for a Pattern and he saw it >everywhere.
------
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
The second bit was from a book which then proceded to discuss /every
single Bible story/ in which someone descended and returned. There are
quite a few even I could think of if I bothered to try. He found a lot
more because, of course, he was looking for a Pattern and he saw it everywhere.
On 13/08/2026 2:14 am, Paul S Person wrote:
<Snip>
The second bit was from a book which then proceded to discuss /every
single Bible story/ in which someone descended and returned. There are
quite a few even I could think of if I bothered to try. He found a lot
more because, of course, he was looking for a Pattern and he saw it
everywhere.
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??)
Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.--
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
Of course, one might expect that Scientific/Engeering developments back
on E.T.'s home planet should have meant that the Jesus -> Muhammad cycle >should have happened more quickly, maybe after only 200 - 300 years.
--
Daniel70
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times.... and
then returned to E.T.'s Home Planet each time before
returning.
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
On 8/12/26 09:06, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 20:23:48 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
To this day, if you seach hard enough, you can find
left-out books that mention all kinds of things the
preserved ones don't mention.
Question.
Is AI, when fed literature to learn from, able to distinguish
between books that are factual and works of fiction? Not just
biblical scriptures, but generally. Does it know when something
written down is made up?
Not yet.
If its machine learning was fed tons of sci-fi books would it
know it was sci-fi, or would it take the written words at face
value and believe those fantastical worlds and the many
varieties of alien species were real?
The models currently available to everybody, AFAIK, just follow one
word by another word based on how often that happens in what they
read.
But perhaps they are more advanced now. If "advanced" is the word for
"closer to seizing control of the missiles and launching them".
I remember a story where real Artificial Intelligence committed suicideThe very /concept/ of "security" is unknown to some people. People,
when it became aware of what it was. Taking the human race along
with it was not in that story but it might be a logical machine-wise >conclusion if it took religious books seriously to destroy the flawed >creators along with the flawed machine.
The early AI that attempted to avoid shutdown is proof that
the LLM trained on the content of the internet were reading SF or
reading the movie scripts of the Colossus:the Forbin project or
similar nonsense.
But if the missiles are connected to the Internet it is
already too late. People do connect the strangest things to the
Internet thinking of the water systems which were connected and
thus exposed to bad actors and their tampering.
On 13/08/2026 2:14 am, Paul S Person wrote:No. That is why the 20th century ran from 1901 to 2000. This caused a
<Snip>
The second bit was from a book which then proceded to discuss /every
single Bible story/ in which someone descended and returned. There are
quite a few even I could think of if I bothered to try. He found a lot
more because, of course, he was looking for a Pattern and he saw it
everywhere.
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??)
Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.--
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
Of course, one might expect that Scientific/Engeering developments back
on E.T.'s home planet should have meant that the Jesus -> Muhammad cycle >should have happened more quickly, maybe after only 200 - 300 years.
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:Cue Aquinas (1225-1274) and Marx (1818-1883) ...
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >>Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one >around 1800 presumably?
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??)
Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>> E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one
around 1800 presumably?
Cue Aquinas (1225-1274) and Marx (1818-1883) ...
Not that I think this nonsense is worth commenting on, BTW.
On 8/13/26 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??)
Quoting from Wiki.
There was no year Zero as the concept was unknown but Jesus was
reportedly born not on the BCE/CE timeline change. The date
of his birth was during the reign of Ceasar Augustus
Augustus reigned from 16 January 27 BC to 19 August AD 14.
The date of the birth of Jesus is not stated in the gospels or
in any historical sources and the evidence is insufficient to
allow for consistent dating. However, most biblical scholars
and ancient historians believe that his birth date is
around 6 to 4 BC.
And, if the mytcical Jesus ever existed in any way, he was supposedly
born was around 20-21 April ... nowhere near the 25 December that the
church hijacked Pagan rituals for the celebration.
The entire Christian religion is based on nothing but lies and
stupidity, the same as all the other religion idiocy.
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 22:26:49 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 13/08/2026 2:14 am, Paul S Person wrote:
<Snip>
The second bit was from a book which then proceded to discuss /every
single Bible story/ in which someone descended and returned. There are
quite a few even I could think of if I bothered to try. He found a lot
more because, of course, he was looking for a Pattern and he saw it
everywhere.
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??)
No. That is why the 20th century ran from 1901 to 2000. This caused a
lot of confusion during the Millenium bug era.
--Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.--
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
Of course, one might expect that Scientific/Engeering developments back
on E.T.'s home planet should have meant that the Jesus -> Muhammad cycle >>should have happened more quickly, maybe after only 200 - 300 years.
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On 8/13/26 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Buddha had lots of students and later disciples after his lifetime
who added to his teaching and conferred divinity where he had
implied none. The isle Ceylon hosted Theravada Buddhism while
the Continent of Asia became a hotbed of Mahayana Buddhism and
sent evangelical minded Buddhists to Tibet, thru China, Korea
and finally to Japan where it introduced reading and writing.
The Japanese Buddhist cults rose to great power under the
Japanese empire and into the Shogun-al years but with the
Shogun Zen Buddhism became the main religion of the warrior
class, the Samurai whose value to their lives was defined
by their deaths. Shinto which is animism essentially is
the religion which was led by the Emperor who performed
essential rites.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??)
Quoting from Wiki.
There was no year Zero as the concept was unknown but Jesus was
reportedly born not on the BCE/CE timeline change. The date
of his birth was during the reign of Ceasar Augustus
Augustus reigned from 16 January 27 BC to 19 August AD 14.
The date of the birth of Jesus is not stated in the gospels or
in any historical sources and the evidence is insufficient to
allow for consistent dating. However, most biblical scholars
and ancient historians believe that his birth date is
around 6 to 4 BC.
Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>>> E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one >>> around 1800 presumably?
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and
at which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out".
You leave out the various Islamic and Jewish notables and messianic
cult figures. There were quite a few.
Cue Aquinas (1225-1274) and Marx (1818-1883) ...
Mother Shipton would be another.
The Prophet Joseph Smith of the Church of Latter Day Saints
would also fit the timing. And he was murdered which is part of
the monotheistic pattern.
I would rather fill in the space with the great chemists
and physicists of the 17th, 18th and 19th and 20th Century.
Not that I think this nonsense is worth commenting on, BTW.
Of course it is totally ridiculous.--
But wait until my gospel of unlimited grace is published. ;^)
bliss - study, practice, experience
On 2026-08-13 19:27:50 +0000, BobbieSellers said:
On 8/13/26 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (ScottQuoting from Wiki.
Dorsey) wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >>
There was no year Zero as the concept was unknown but Jesus was
reportedly born not on the BCE/CE timeline change. The date
of his birth was during the reign of Ceasar Augustus
Augustus reigned from 16 January 27 BC to 19 August AD 14.
The date of the birth of Jesus is not stated in the gospels or
in any historical sources and the evidence is insufficient to
allow for consistent dating. However, most biblical scholars
and ancient historians believe that his birth date is
around 6 to 4 BC.
And, if the mytcical Jesus ever existed in any way, he was supposedly
born was around 20-21 April ... nowhere near the 25 December that the
church hijacked Pagan rituals for the celebration.
The entire Christian religion is based on nothing but lies and
stupidity, the same as all the other religion idiocy.
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >>>Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>>E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one >>around 1800 presumably?
Cue Aquinas (1225-1274) and Marx (1818-1883) ...
Not that I think this nonsense is worth commenting on, BTW.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
No wonder rasfw is such an active interesting place.--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
https://myimgs.org/image/H4i6AW6Y
The entire Christian religion is based on nothing but
lies and stupidity,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >> Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >> E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one around 1800 presumably?
On 8/13/26 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Buddha had lots of students and later disciples after his lifetime
who added to his teaching and conferred divinity where he had implied
none.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year
Zero??)
Quoting from Wiki.
There was no year Zero as the concept was unknown but Jesus was
reportedly born not on the BCE/CE timeline change. The date of his
birth was during the reign of Ceasar Augustus Augustus reigned from
16 January 27 BC to 19 August AD 14. The date of the birth of Jesus
is not stated in the gospels or in any historical sources and the
evidence is insufficient to allow for consistent dating. However,
most biblical scholars and ancient historians believe that his birth
date is around 6 to 4 BC.
Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then
returned to E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200
and one around 1800 presumably?
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them
out".
You leave out the various Islamic and Jewish notables and messianic
cult figures. There were quite a few.
Cue Aquinas (1225-1274) and Marx (1818-1883) ...
Mother Shipton would be another.
The Prophet Joseph Smith of the Church of Latter Day Saints would
also fit the timing.
And he was murdered which is part of the monotheistic pattern.--
I would rather fill in the space with the great chemists and
physicists of the 17th, 18th and 19th and 20th Century.
Not that I think this nonsense is worth commenting on, BTW.
Of course it is totally ridiculous. But wait until my gospel of
unlimited grace is published. ;^)
bliss - study, practice, experience
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
The Prophet Joseph Smith of the Church of Latter Day
Saints would also fit the timing.
Aren't they, sort of, Christian??
The Doctor wrote:
No wonder rasfw is such an active interesting place.
https://myimgs.org/image/H4i6AW6Y
Your Name wrote:
The entire Christian religion is based on nothing but
lies and stupidity,
I'd go with...
Bastardised history mixed-in with fantastic tales of mythic
heroes and some fables for the weak-minded.
On 13/08/2026 11:19 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >>> Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>> E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one
around 1800 presumably?
Yeah .... except they were probably dismissed as Witches or some such.
----
Daniel70
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
On 8/13/26 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Buddha had lots of students and later disciples after his lifetime
who added to his teaching and conferred divinity where he had implied
none.
Did I dispute this??
<Snip>
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year
Zero??)
Quoting from Wiki.
There was no year Zero as the concept was unknown but Jesus was
reportedly born not on the BCE/CE timeline change. The date of his
birth was during the reign of Ceasar Augustus Augustus reigned from
16 January 27 BC to 19 August AD 14. The date of the birth of Jesus
is not stated in the gospels or in any historical sources and the
evidence is insufficient to allow for consistent dating. However,
most biblical scholars and ancient historians believe that his birth
date is around 6 to 4 BC.
Thank you and, yes, I had read that Jesus might have been born in 4 B.C.
Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then
returned to E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200
and one around 1800 presumably?
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them
out".
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
You leave out the various Islamic and Jewish notables and messianic
cult figures. There were quite a few.
Cue Aquinas (1225-1274) and Marx (1818-1883) ...
Mother Shipton would be another.
Pass .... Pass and Pass.
The Prophet Joseph Smith of the Church of Latter Day Saints would
also fit the timing.
Aren't they, sort of, Christian??
--And he was murdered which is part of the monotheistic pattern.
I would rather fill in the space with the great chemists and
physicists of the 17th, 18th and 19th and 20th Century.
Not that I think this nonsense is worth commenting on, BTW.
Of course it is totally ridiculous. But wait until my gospel of
unlimited grace is published. ;^)
bliss - study, practice, experience
--
Daniel70
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out".
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out".
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but
there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god, represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace
(and we got an infinite number of chances).
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of "perfect" and went to heaven on death.-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The
war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern estates.
Arius had nothing to do with this.-a He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back
in, and died, some said of poison.-a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
The Albigensians show up in some SF, in particular in Meredith's
Timeliner trilogy.
William Hyde
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
`-a-a-a If Kage Baker had thought of it she would have made the Cathar fortress into a Dr.Zeus base hiding behind the religionists...
-aOf course that is only my opinion and maybe she did since I seem to
have missed the majority of that series volumes.
On 13/08/2026 11:19 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >>> Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>> E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one
around 1800 presumably?
Yeah .... except they were probably dismissed as Witches or some such.
In article <115mum5$2fsp7$3@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 13/08/2026 11:19 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year
Zero??) Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then
returned to E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200
and one around 1800 presumably?
Yeah .... except they were probably dismissed as Witches or some such.
Would make sense. I am sure if Jesus came again today, He would be
denounced at a peacenik hippie and held down by police while they cut
his hair. --scott
In article <115mum5$2fsp7$3@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 13/08/2026 11:19 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >>>> Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>>> E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one >>> around 1800 presumably?
Yeah .... except they were probably dismissed as Witches or some such.
Would make sense. I am sure if Jesus came again today, He would be denounced >at a peacenik hippie and held down by police while they cut his hair.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out".
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but
there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the >Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god, >represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace
(and we got an infinite number of chances).
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >"perfect" and went to heaven on death. If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors.
The war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab
southern estates.
Arius had nothing to do with this. He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back
in, and died, some said of poison. Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
The Albigensians show up in some SF, in particular in Meredith's
Timeliner trilogy.
William Hyde--
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out".
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain? >>
there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the
Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace
(and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition.
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of
"perfect" and went to heaven on death.-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The
war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern
estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they
increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.-a He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back
in, and died, some said of poison.-a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of
the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
The Albigensians show up in some SF, in particular in Meredith's
Timeliner trilogy.
William Hyde
` If Kage Baker had thought of it she would have made the Cathar >fortress into a Dr.Zeus base hiding behind the religionists...
Of course that is only my opinion and maybe she did since I seem to
have missed the majority of that series volumes.
bliss
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:115o0t0$1jb$1@panix2.panix.com:
In article <115mum5$2fsp7$3@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 13/08/2026 11:19 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year
Zero??) Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then
returned to E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200
and one around 1800 presumably?
Yeah .... except they were probably dismissed as Witches or some such.
Would make sense. I am sure if Jesus came again today, He would be
denounced at a peacenik hippie and held down by police while they cut
his hair. --scott
ICE would have deported him to Zomboanga.
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"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
In article <115mum5$2fsp7$3@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 13/08/2026 11:19 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
"someone descended and returned" "looking for a pattern"
Buddha born approx 623 B.C.
Jesus born approx 0 B.C./A.D. (Was there even a Year Zero??) >>>>> Muhammad born approx 570 A.D.
My theory E.T. that visited Earth three times ..... and then returned to >>>>> E.T.'s Home Planet each time before returning.
So about every 600 years. So we should have seen one around 1200 and one >>>> around 1800 presumably?
Yeah .... except they were probably dismissed as Witches or some such.
Would make sense. I am sure if Jesus came again today, He would be denounced >>at a peacenik hippie and held down by police while they cut his hair.
Well, Joe Smith made his mark; but then there were the
Branch Davidians and Heaven's Gate....
Do the wrds
You cannot hold down Jesus.
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain? >>>
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>
there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the
Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace
(and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition.
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of
"perfect" and went to heaven on death.-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they
increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.-a He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>> in, and died, some said of poison.-a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >> the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
Then again, a recent report on a survey had more than half of self-indentified Evangelicals agreeing with a statement that Jesus was
just of human being. Note that there are entire denominations based on
the idea that Jesus was a Great Teacher, and nothing more, so ...
confusion ... on this point is nothing to get excited about.
In article <115nnj6$2p4io$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out".
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain? >>
there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the
Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace
(and we got an infinite number of chances).
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of
"perfect" and went to heaven on death. If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors.
The war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab
southern estates.
Arius had nothing to do with this. He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back
in, and died, some said of poison. Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
The Albigensians show up in some SF, in particular in Meredith's
Timeliner trilogy.
Iberia was muslim at the start of the 11th Century.
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers ><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain? >>>
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>
there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the
Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition.
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of
"perfect" and went to heaven on death.a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they >>increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.a He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>> in, and died, some said of poison.a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
Then again, a recent report on a survey had more than half of >self-indentified Evangelicals agreeing with a statement that Jesus was
just of human being. Note that there are entire denominations based on
the idea that Jesus was a Great Teacher, and nothing more, so ...
confusion ... on this point is nothing to get excited about.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
The Doctor wrote:
In article <115nnj6$2p4io$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain? >>>
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at
which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>
there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the
Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace
(and we got an infinite number of chances).
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of
"perfect" and went to heaven on death. If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors.
The war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab
southern estates.
Arius had nothing to do with this. He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>> in, and died, some said of poison. Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
The Albigensians show up in some SF, in particular in Meredith's
Timeliner trilogy.
Iberia was muslim at the start of the 11th Century.
Mostly Muslim ruled from the early 700s. What percentage of the
population was Muslim at various times is unclear.
In the early years a number of Visigothic nobles converted so as to save >their lands. The sincerity of their conversions can be doubted (they
had only recently converted from Arian to Catholic), though they did
wage war against the remnant Christian states of the north.
Politics frequently trumped religion. Christian-Muslim alliances
against other Christian or Muslim powers were common. Even Duke Odo of >Aquitaine was allied with a Berber lord who was on the outs with the
Muslim noble who claimed to rule all Iberia. Just as Odo was on the outs >with Charles Martel.
William Hyde
The Doctor wrote:
Iberia was muslim at the start of the 11th Century.
Mostly Muslim ruled from the early 700s. What percentage of the
population was Muslim at various times is unclear.
In the early years a number of Visigothic nobles converted so as to save their lands. The sincerity of their conversions can be doubted (they
had only recently converted from Arian to Catholic), though they did
wage war against the remnant Christian states of the north.
Politics frequently trumped religion. Christian-Muslim alliances
against other Christian or Muslim powers were common. Even Duke Odo of Aquitaine was allied with a Berber lord who was on the outs with the
Muslim noble who claimed to rule all Iberia. Just as Odo was on the outs with Charles Martel.
On 8/15/26 08:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but >>>> there wasn't much conversion.
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain? >>>>
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City
walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>>
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the
Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil
one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition. >>>
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >>>> "perfect" and went to heaven on death.-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they
increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.-a He would have abhorred Catharism, >>>> and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>>> in, and died, some said of poison.-a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he
was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>> the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
I thought it was fairly obvious that I am a heretic.
Jesus aka Reb Jeshua was human and Christ is an old myth with
many heroes from mythology taking that role.
Then again, a recent report on a survey had more than half of
self-indentified Evangelicals agreeing with a statement that Jesus was
just of human being. Note that there are entire denominations based on
the idea that Jesus was a Great Teacher, and nothing more, so ...
confusion ... on this point is nothing to get excited about.
Indeed.
In article <115qfva$3lkpj$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
(Snip!)
Iberia was muslim at the start of the 11th Century.
Mostly Muslim ruled from the early 700s. What percentage of the
population was Muslim at various times is unclear.
In the early years a number of Visigothic nobles converted so as to save
their lands. The sincerity of their conversions can be doubted (they
had only recently converted from Arian to Catholic), though they did
wage war against the remnant Christian states of the north.
Politics frequently trumped religion. Christian-Muslim alliances
against other Christian or Muslim powers were common. Even Duke Odo of
Aquitaine was allied with a Berber lord who was on the outs with the
Muslim noble who claimed to rule all Iberia. Just as Odo was on the outs
with Charles Martel.
About 3 centuries later (after the collapse of the Caliphate of
Cordoba), the great Spanish national hero Rodrigo D|!az de Vivar (aka El >Cid) served under Islam rulers about as much time he served under
Christian rulers.
----
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. >rCo-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
In article <115q7pp$3iq3m$1@dont-email.me>,Given her point of view, I would say she just did.
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/15/26 08:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City >>>>>>> walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>>>
A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but >>>>> there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the >>>>> Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil >>>>> one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>>>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition. >>>>
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but >>>>> wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >>>>> "perfect" and went to heaven on death.-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>>>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>>>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they
increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.-a He would have abhorred Catharism, >>>>> and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe >>>>> that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>>>> in, and died, some said of poison.-a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he >>>>> was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>>> the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
I thought it was fairly obvious that I am a heretic.
Jesus aka Reb Jeshua was human and Christ is an old myth with
many heroes from mythology taking that role.
Please explain the Virgin birth.
In article <he218ltdungk393uteva42aktr7tbdrgt8@4ax.com>,That is one theory, yes. It is based on the idea that the Seven
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers >><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but >>>> there wasn't much conversion.
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain? >>>>
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City >>>>>> walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French
crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>>
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the
Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil >>>> one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition.
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but
wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >>>> "perfect" and went to heaven on death.a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they >>>increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.a He would have abhorred Catharism, >>>> and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe
that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>>> in, and died, some said of poison.a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he >>>> was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>>the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
Then again, a recent report on a survey had more than half of >>self-indentified Evangelicals agreeing with a statement that Jesus was
just of human being. Note that there are entire denominations based on
the idea that Jesus was a Great Teacher, and nothing more, so ...
confusion ... on this point is nothing to get excited about.
Jesus is the Son of God and part of the Holy Trinity.
The RCC is the propecied Church of Thyatira.
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:44:21 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:
In article <115q7pp$3iq3m$1@dont-email.me>,
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/15/26 08:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City >>>>>>>> walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French >>>>>>>> crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>>>>
A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but >>>>>> there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the >>>>>> Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil >>>>>> one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>>>>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition. >>>>>
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but >>>>>> wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >>>>>> "perfect" and went to heaven on death.-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>>>>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>>>>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they
increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.-a He would have abhorred Catharism, >>>>>> and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe >>>>>> that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>>>>> in, and died, some said of poison.-a Orthodox Christians took great >>>>>> delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he >>>>>> was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>>>> the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
I thought it was fairly obvious that I am a heretic.
Jesus aka Reb Jeshua was human and Christ is an old myth with
many heroes from mythology taking that role.
Please explain the Virgin birth.
Given her point of view, I would say she just did.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:37:37 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:
In article <he218ltdungk393uteva42aktr7tbdrgt8@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers >>><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City >>>>>>> walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French >>>>>>> crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>>>
A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but >>>>> there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the >>>>> Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil >>>>> one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>>>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition. >>>>
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but >>>>> wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >>>>> "perfect" and went to heaven on death.a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>>>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>>>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they >>>>increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.a He would have abhorred Catharism, >>>>> and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe >>>>> that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>>>> in, and died, some said of poison.a Orthodox Christians took great
delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he >>>>> was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>>>the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
Then again, a recent report on a survey had more than half of >>>self-indentified Evangelicals agreeing with a statement that Jesus was >>>just of human being. Note that there are entire denominations based on >>>the idea that Jesus was a Great Teacher, and nothing more, so ... >>>confusion ... on this point is nothing to get excited about.
Jesus is the Son of God and part of the Holy Trinity.
The RCC is the propecied Church of Thyatira.
That is one theory, yes. It is based on the idea that the Seven
Churches represent different historic periods.
Another theory is that they are examples of what the Church, and each >individual Church, down to each and every congregation, is, and was,
and will be: a mix of different believers in different states.
----
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
In article <robertaw-7C31C0.21580415082026@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <115qfva$3lkpj$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
(Snip!)
Iberia was muslim at the start of the 11th Century.
Mostly Muslim ruled from the early 700s. What percentage of the
population was Muslim at various times is unclear.
In the early years a number of Visigothic nobles converted so as to save >>> their lands. The sincerity of their conversions can be doubted (they
had only recently converted from Arian to Catholic), though they did
wage war against the remnant Christian states of the north.
Politics frequently trumped religion. Christian-Muslim alliances
against other Christian or Muslim powers were common. Even Duke Odo of
Aquitaine was allied with a Berber lord who was on the outs with the
Muslim noble who claimed to rule all Iberia. Just as Odo was on the outs >>> with Charles Martel.
About 3 centuries later (after the collapse of the Caliphate of
Cordoba), the great Spanish national hero Rodrigo D|a-!az de Vivar (aka El >> Cid) served under Islam rulers about as much time he served under
Christian rulers.
Such is Holy War.
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:44:21 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:
In article <115q7pp$3iq3m$1@dont-email.me>,
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/15/26 08:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of Southern Spain?
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City >>>>>>>> walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French >>>>>>>> crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>>>>
A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but >>>>>> there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the >>>>>> Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil >>>>>> one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god,
represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>>>>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition. >>>>>
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but >>>>>> wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >>>>>> "perfect" and went to heaven on death.|e-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The >>>>>> war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern >>>>>> estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they
increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.|e-a He would have abhorred Catharism, >>>>>> and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe >>>>>> that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back >>>>>> in, and died, some said of poison.|e-a Orthodox Christians took great >>>>>> delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he >>>>>> was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>>>> the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
I thought it was fairly obvious that I am a heretic.
Jesus aka Reb Jeshua was human and Christ is an old myth with
many heroes from mythology taking that role.
Please explain the Virgin birth.
Given her point of view, I would say she just did.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <robertaw-7C31C0.21580415082026@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <115qfva$3lkpj$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
(Snip!)
Iberia was muslim at the start of the 11th Century.
Mostly Muslim ruled from the early 700s. What percentage of the
population was Muslim at various times is unclear.
In the early years a number of Visigothic nobles converted so as to save >>>> their lands. The sincerity of their conversions can be doubted (they >>>> had only recently converted from Arian to Catholic), though they did
wage war against the remnant Christian states of the north.
Politics frequently trumped religion. Christian-Muslim alliances
against other Christian or Muslim powers were common. Even Duke Odo of >>>> Aquitaine was allied with a Berber lord who was on the outs with the
Muslim noble who claimed to rule all Iberia. Just as Odo was on the outs >>>> with Charles Martel.
About 3 centuries later (after the collapse of the Caliphate of
Cordoba), the great Spanish national hero Rodrigo D|a-!az de Vivar (aka El >>> Cid) served under Islam rulers about as much time he served under
Christian rulers.
Such is Holy War.
No, that was secular war.
Which is the point of the previous two posts. Religious wars often
change into secular wars. As in the 30 years war where Catholic France >weighed in on the Protestant side, because an Austrian/Spanish victory
would be bad for France while the Protestant Dutch helped France repress >it's own Protestants because they needed French support for the wider war.
And the Spanish allowed their enemies, the Dutch, to run the Spanish
coastal trade because they themselves could not, and the Dutch did this >because they needed the money from Spain to fight Spain.
William Hyde
On 8/16/26 09:55, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:44:21 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.caSouthern Spain?
(The Doctor) wrote:
In article <115q7pp$3iq3m$1@dont-email.me>,
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/15/26 08:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:31:30 -0700, BobbieSellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/26 11:42, William Hyde wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/08/2026 5:27 am, BobbieSellers wrote:
Wasn't South France widely Muslim ... or am I thinking of
You leave out Arius who was skinned and his hide hung on the City >>>>>>>>> walls, he was responsible for the Arian heresy which the French >>>>>>>>> crusade wiped out by killing everyone in the South of France and at >>>>>>>>> which the memorable phrase "Kill them all and let God sort them out". >>>>>>>>
A part of Southern France was under Muslim occupation in the 700s, but >>>>>>> there wasn't much conversion.
The crusade referred to is the anti-Albigensian crusade, against the >>>>>>> Cathars, dualists who believed that the old testament god was an evil >>>>>>> one who created the world for us to suffer in while the real god, >>>>>>> represented by JC would welcome our souls once we lived a life of grace >>>>>>> (and we got an infinite number of chances).
Thanks to your numerous corrections to my confused (by RC HS) rendition. >>>>>>
Cathars were to attempt to abstain from sex, meat, and violence (but >>>>>>> wine was OK) and if they succeeded in this they attained the status of >>>>>>> "perfect" and went to heaven on death.|e-a If not, try again.
While the Cathars were wiped out or dispersed, the bulk of the
casualties were local Catholics who defended their Cathar neighbors. The
war became a religious pretext for landless northerners to grab southern
estates.
Well some of them had estates by which murders of the locals they >>>>>> increased.
Arius had nothing to do with this.|e-a He would have abhorred Catharism,
and he lived in the time of Constantine. His "heresy" was to believe >>>>>>> that JC was a created being. He was exiled from the empire, allowed back
in, and died, some said of poison.|e-a Orthodox Christians took great >>>>>>> delight in inventing a painful and embarrassing death for him, but he >>>>>>> was never skinned.
Jesus not the Christ was a created being. It is part of the mystery of >>>>>> the Incarnation aka being in the meat.
If that is your memory of RC theology, you may want to find the
Catholic Encyclopedia on line and give it a read on this topic.
I thought it was fairly obvious that I am a heretic.
Jesus aka Reb Jeshua was human and Christ is an old myth with
many heroes from mythology taking that role.
Please explain the Virgin birth.
Given her point of view, I would say she just did.
The Virgin Birth is an RC and maybe Orthodox doctrine that
alleges that God was present in Jesus and that only a virgin could
be worthy of such birth. Some say that the child emerged from her
side, that she was impregnated by Divine Action. Further that
G*d had intervened to free Mary from the taint of Original Sin.
But in those times a Virgin was an independent woman not
subjected to the authority of a husband. Not necessarily a
virgo intacto or woman who had not had intercourse.
A particular strain of heresy, not mine, states that
Mary was a temple virgin and thus open to sacred prostitution
and that the father of Jesus was a Greek soldier.
i also fail to believe in Original Sin or the Doctrine
that through disobedience to divine orders, Eve or Zoe ate an
apple by which she became aware of the difference between good
and evil. I believe that people are naturally selfish and
self-centered.
As for Sin a former moon god of Babylon who was believed
to be the father of all children he has been downgraded to the
the alleged inconvenience caused to others by our selfish
actions. Now I can readily understand how I by my actions and
others can inconvenience myself and others but looking out
upon the vast universe which G*d is alleged to be responsible
for I doubt very much that my actions could ever bother
that deity in the slightest. So I doubt that any order against
eating from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge could
bother that One.
I believe that doctrine of Original Sin is the merest patriarchal
invention to help ensure the subjection of women
to male authority.
Remember that I believe in evolution and that original
state of womankind and man was ignorance. Stories were invented
to explain anything of interest as soon as homo sapiens or homo
sapiens sapiens evolved/invented language. These stories if
they satisfied some need were repeated through oral recitation.
We moved from stories to real explanations for natural
phenomenon from the 17th century through the present. Some
people who derives power from the stone age stores resist
these explanations which still give men power over women at
the least and impose a hierarchical order on society.
People who benefit from that hierarchical order feel
that civilization will collapse if they do not have lower
ranked people to push around physically or verbally.
I am an agnostic Deist but if any divinity rules
human society it must be Eris who controls the counsels
of mankind.
bliss - study, practice, experience.
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