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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

Actually, I think those reacting this way to AIDS are worse than MAGA. >Fortunately, the /Republican/ President appointed a very conservative
Surgeon General who reacted to AIDS as the threat it was and had no >toleration for those attacking the victims.

This is absolutely true. Koop was a Reagan appointee and he did absolutely
the best he could even when Reagan and many of his cronies were fighting him all the way down.

But note this: in spite of all the infighting, in spite of talk about
removing Koop, no real attempt was ever made because he was so respected
and everyone viewed him as competent.

He was a doctor, and a good doctor, and he did what doctors are supposed to
do. He was not an unqualified political appointee.

This is why I used to sometimes for a Republican for some offices:
they did a really good job as Treasurer or Auditor. This is because
they were very strict in doing their work.

Absolutely agreed. But unfortunately the Republican party of today is not
the same party of the eighties.

And I think that in general competence is less respected in the country too. That's very much a MAGA thing but it is certainly not exclusive to them. --scott
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On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:05:29 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

Actually, I think those reacting this way to AIDS are worse than MAGA. >>Fortunately, the /Republican/ President appointed a very conservative >>Surgeon General who reacted to AIDS as the threat it was and had no >>toleration for those attacking the victims.

This is absolutely true. Koop was a Reagan appointee and he did absolutely >the best he could even when Reagan and many of his cronies were fighting him >all the way down.

But note this: in spite of all the infighting, in spite of talk about >removing Koop, no real attempt was ever made because he was so respected
and everyone viewed him as competent.

He was a doctor, and a good doctor, and he did what doctors are supposed to >do. He was not an unqualified political appointee.

This is why I used to sometimes for a Republican for some offices:
they did a really good job as Treasurer or Auditor. This is because
they were very strict in doing their work.

Absolutely agreed. But unfortunately the Republican party of today is not >the same party of the eighties.

And I think that in general competence is less respected in the country too. >That's very much a MAGA thing but it is certainly not exclusive to them.

If they do really, really, really badly that might shock them (that
is, the people running the Party, not MAGA) about 15 steps back toward
the center.
Leaving the task of getting the Dems to move 15 steps back toward the
center. It has not escaped my notice that they, too, are way out on
the fringe.
Note: "15" is not to be taken literally, but conceptually.
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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

If they do really, really, really badly that might shock them (that
is, the people running the Party, not MAGA) about 15 steps back toward
the center.

Not toward the center, but toward actually being fiscally conservative
instead of promoting crazy social change and a personality cult at the
expense of supporting their constitutents.

Leaving the task of getting the Dems to move 15 steps back toward the
center. It has not escaped my notice that they, too, are way out on
the fringe.

I'm not sure if this is really the case any more. The center in the US
has always been pretty far to the right compared with much of the rest
of the world, at least since the Red Scare. I am seeing signs of that
changing and I am seeing those signs as a reaction to the economic takeover
of the ultra-rich.

Both conservatives and liberals need to pay attention to that takeover and
deal with it, or else they are both doomed.
--scott
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 10:32:25 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

If they do really, really, really badly that might shock them (that
is, the people running the Party, not MAGA) about 15 steps back toward
the center.

Not toward the center, but toward actually being fiscally conservative >instead of promoting crazy social change and a personality cult at the >expense of supporting their constitutents.

The center is composed of a lot of people, a lot of whom balance their
personal budget every month and see no reason why the gummint
shouldn't do the same.
But, yes, I would expect the repositioned Republican Party to also
return to at least the pre-Ronnie version of fiscal conservatism.

Leaving the task of getting the Dems to move 15 steps back toward the >>center. It has not escaped my notice that they, too, are way out on
the fringe.

I'm not sure if this is really the case any more. The center in the US
has always been pretty far to the right compared with much of the rest
of the world, at least since the Red Scare. I am seeing signs of that >changing and I am seeing those signs as a reaction to the economic takeover >of the ultra-rich.

Every time Bernie, the Friends of Bernie, or Hillary speak, the Dems
lose votes. This is one of their strategies to ensure they don't
actually win.
Nevertheless, the center probably has shifted leftwards a bit, given
the support for (say) gay marriage prior to the Supreme Court decision
and the continuing support for reasonable access to abortion.
Not to mention the reaction to the on-camera police murder of a
certain Floyd. And other similar atrocities over the preceding decade
or two.
Up here in Seattle, of course, the "center" is pretty far to the left.
This is why, when a group of residents blocked off their street so the
local pimps wouldn't send bullets into their houses, the city's
response was -- to remove the barriers.
The barriers work, BTW, because even gang-bangers and pimps don't want
to work in a street with limited access.

Both conservatives and liberals need to pay attention to that takeover and >deal with it, or else they are both doomed.

And then we can produce two new parties, from the (new, if
appropriate) center, but one slightly to the right (fiscally
conservative, inter alia) and the other to the left (tax and spend,
inter alia).
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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

Nevertheless, the center probably has shifted leftwards a bit, given
the support for (say) gay marriage prior to the Supreme Court decision
and the continuing support for reasonable access to abortion.

The Republicans are mostly responsible for the legalization of gay
marriage. Nobody on the left ever really considered it a serious
possibility, but the folks on the right kept harping on it over and
over again... and the more they harped on it, the more people in
the middle started thinking "gay marriage? Why not?" It was never
taken seriously at all until the folks on the right started making
people take it seriously.

Not to mention the reaction to the on-camera police murder of a
certain Floyd. And other similar atrocities over the preceding decade
or two.

That sort of thing happened all the time, but when it happens on-camera
people realize that there's a problem. I lived in a bad neighborhood
in Atlanta for a while and I got to see police who were at war with the
people they were supposed to be protecting. This isn't unusual, but
until people in the general population started seeing it, nobody cared.

Same thing about opiates.... middle class Americans didn't care until
their kids and neighbors started getting addicted too. It took that
to get them to take it seriously.

These aren't problems of the right or the left and as long as people keep seeing them as the problems of only one side they will never get addressed. --scott
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On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 17:46:29 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> wrote:

We're seeing in real time the results of this administration's utter >>incompetence in the field of public health. In 2014 USAID and the 101st >>Airborne teamed up in Operation United Assistance. It took some time but >>they got the Ebola outbreak under control and saved thousands of lives. >>USAID is now gone and we're doing almost nothing to contain the current >>outbreak.

<snippo>

The same people saying this are the same people who ignored AIDS because
it just affected gay people and not them. That one didn't come out well. Actually, I think those reacting this way to AIDS are worse than MAGA. Fortunately, the /Republican/ President appointed a very conservative

Surgeon General who reacted to AIDS as the threat it was and had no
toleration for those attacking the victims.
This is why I used to sometimes for a Republican for some offices:
they did a really good job as Treasurer or Auditor. This is because
they were very strict in doing their work.
But, sadly, only MAGA or MAGA-appealing Republicans run for those
offices now. And they can't be trusted. Not one little bit.
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 18:42:21 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Something is definitely going on when you dump 84+ doses into a
child.

Particularly when there are far more than 84 different things that can
kill a child. Seems like something is coming up short.
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 17:37:31 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

https://resistthemainstream.com/new-trump-directive-triggers-nationwide-health-policy-overhaul/

"A new study indicates that this could prevent ~35,000 autism cases
per year."

Funny, the page doesnrCOt give any reference to the actual study.

Could it be ... it doesnrCOt exist?
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On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 18:20:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I gave you the URL, go verify it for yourself.

HererCOs one for you:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/11288-childhood-immunization-schedule

List of disease effects that the vaccines protect from:

Hepatitis B (HepB)
Chronic liver infection, liver failure, liver cancer, death.
RSV antibody (Nirsevimab)
Pneumonia, bronchiolitis.
Rotavirus (RV5, RV1)
Severe diarrhea, dehydration, death.
Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP)
Heart muscle swelling, heart failure, coma, paralysis,
seizures, broken bones, trouble breathing, pneumonia, death.
Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
Brain damage, hearing loss, limb loss, death.
Pneumococcal conjugate (PCV15, PCV20)
Pneumonia, blood poisoning, meningitis, death.
Inactivated poliovirus (IPV)
Paralysis, death.
COVID-19
Pneumonia, blood clots, liver damage, heart damage, kidney
damage, long COVID, death.
Influenza (IIV)
Pneumonia, sinus infection, ear infection, worsened underlying
conditions (heart or lung), death.
Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
Brain swelling, pneumonia, swollen testicles or ovaries,
deafness, death.
Varicella (VAR)
Infected sores, brain swelling, pneumonia, death.
Hepatitis A (HepA)
Liver failure, death.
Tetanus, diphtheria, and acellular pertussis (Tdap)
Heart muscle swelling, heart failure, coma, paralysis,
seizures, broken bones, trouble breathing, pneumonia, death.
Human papillomavirus (HPV)
Genital warts, cancer (including cancer of the cervix, mouth and throat).
Meningococcal (MenACWY)
Limb loss, deafness, seizures, death.

It is a rCLbit maximalistrCY to think that nearly all these things could possibly kill your kid, isnrCOt it?

All these deadly diseases have all somehow magically gone away.
Somebody waved a wand and uttered a few spells or something. Who needs vaccination?
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 07:27:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 18:20:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I gave you the URL, go verify it for yourself.

HereAs one for you:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/11288-childhood-immunization-schedule

List of disease effects that the vaccines protect from:

<snippo list of short descriptions of diseases, most of which list
"death" as the last of the things that might, or might not occur, in
any particular patient>

It is a obit maximalisto to think that nearly all these things could
possibly kill your kid, isnAt it?

The full list of "things [that] could kill your kid" is a lot longer
than that.
Chasing a pet into a busy street can do it.
Get a grip,

All these deadly diseases have all somehow magically gone away.
Somebody waved a wand and uttered a few spells or something. Who needs >vaccination?

Who said they went away? Oh, wait, RFK Jr, no doubt.
Just don't be surprised if, 20 years from now (or even sooner,
depending on how long this "weekly poke" thing has been going on), a
lot of young adults turn, when they finally get to make the decision,
to /not/ go to the doctor unless something is /clearly/ wrong.
'Cause their own experience is that "going to the doctor" means
"getting poked", and they don't have to ask "where's the fun in that"
because they know, from their own experience, that there is /no/ fun
in that.
Then watch the AMA double down on the "annual checkup" because, after
all, without patients their members have no income.
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On 6/28/26 00:27, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 18:20:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I gave you the URL, go verify it for yourself.

HererCOs one for you:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/11288-childhood-immunization-schedule

List of disease effects that the vaccines protect from:

Hepatitis B (HepB)
Chronic liver infection, liver failure, liver cancer, death.

And anxiety in survivors over the possible outcome of Liver cancer.

RSV antibody (Nirsevimab)
Pneumonia, bronchiolitis.
Rotavirus (RV5, RV1)
Severe diarrhea, dehydration, death.
Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP)
Heart muscle swelling, heart failure, coma, paralysis,
seizures, broken bones, trouble breathing, pneumonia, death.
Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
Brain damage, hearing loss, limb loss, death.
Pneumococcal conjugate (PCV15, PCV20)
Pneumonia, blood poisoning, meningitis, death.
Inactivated poliovirus (IPV)
Paralysis, death.

Also disability and amputation of affected limbs.

COVID-19
Pneumonia, blood clots, liver damage, heart damage, kidney
damage, long COVID, death.
Influenza (IIV)
Pneumonia, sinus infection, ear infection, worsened underlying
conditions (heart or lung), death.
Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
Brain swelling, pneumonia, swollen testicles or ovaries,
deafness, death.

The effects of swollen testicles or ovaries is possible impotence
for males along with disturbed puberty, and infertility
for both sexes.

Varicella (VAR)
Infected sores, brain swelling, pneumonia, death.
Hepatitis A (HepA)
Liver failure, death.
Tetanus, diphtheria, and acellular pertussis (Tdap)
Heart muscle swelling, heart failure, coma, paralysis,
seizures, broken bones, trouble breathing, pneumonia, death.
Human papillomavirus (HPV)
Genital warts, cancer (including cancer of the cervix, mouth and throat).

Don't forget infertility and death.

Meningococcal (MenACWY)
Limb loss, deafness, seizures, death.

It is a rCLbit maximalistrCY to think that nearly all these things could possibly kill your kid, isnrCOt it?

All these deadly diseases have all somehow magically gone away.
Somebody waved a wand and uttered a few spells or something. Who needs vaccination?

More people.

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On 2026-06-28, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

Just don't be surprised if, 20 years from now
(or even sooner, depending on how long this
"weekly poke" thing has been going on), a lot
of young adults turn, when they finally get to
make the decision, to /not/ go to the doctor
unless something is /clearly/ wrong.

'Cause their own experience is that "going to
the doctor" means "getting poked", and they
don't have to ask "where's the fun in that"
because they know, from their own experience,
that there is /no/ fun in that.

Then watch the AMA double down on the "annual
checkup" because, after all, without patients
their members have no income.

Indeed, going to a doctor to improve one's health
is on par with going to a journalist to improve
one's understanding of what allegedly happened.
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The effects of swollen testicles

Speaking of which:
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