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On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:07:23 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

"A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western >civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
Western world. "

It's amazing the usual suspects (I've long since stopped considering
Wikipedia reliable for historical subjects though I often use it for
checking spellings or dates - they're also good for election results
which again are numerical and thus can't be fudged) haven't gone after
Michel Houellebecq's novel Submission which is a political scenario
involving an Islamist party (note I _don't_ say "Muslim" and I hope
everyone here understands the difference) scores a political victory
in a French election and then proceeds to implement their agenda.

Beyond any doubt the novel goes WELL into territory that would easily
get those folks publicly burning it. Hoo boy - does it ever! Still a
good read and political novelists have gone into scarier territory
than this.
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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D=B4Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against
some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

There are all kinds of anti-vaxxers, from people who don't want to take
the covid vaccine because it was too new, to people like the man who has
come to our city council meetings for the last two decade claiming that
if parents beat their children more the children would not be hanging out
with sick people and getting diseases. It is all over the map.

And there are a lot of people who don't trust scientists, and a whole lot
more people today who don't trust doctors. This is almost entirely an American phenomenon too.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

I think the point is that that is a heck of a lot of vaccines. Are
there /really/ that many childhood diseases?

There are, that's part of the problem. Some of them have become extremely rare, and vaccines help keep them that way. But because they are so
effective and diseases like whooping cough and typhus have become so rare, people forget about how important they are.

I'll bet the kids get tired of being poked on a regular recurring
basis as well.

I hated it. But then I got chicken pox in college and it was one of the
worst experiences ever. Now that there is a vaccine for chicken pox I
strongly recommend getting it.

I also may be biased in that my wife has hearing in only one ear, thanks to childhood scarlet fever.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against
some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 01:17:22 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against
some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

What appears to be my earliest memory ends when they stick the needle
in. And it /hurts/ (which, of course, is why I remember it). This sort
of thing might make a person ... reluctant ... to go to the doctor in
later life.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On 6/22/26 10:51, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 01:17:22 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D-|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against
some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

What appears to be my earliest memory ends when they stick the needle
in. And it /hurts/ (which, of course, is why I remember it). This sort
of thing might make a person ... reluctant ... to go to the doctor in
later life.

Shots used to hurt more because the needles were thicker, because they
were not disposable and had to be sterilizable for re-use.
--
Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it
turns out that God hates all the same people you do. -rCoAnne Lamott
86 47 II/4 25
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On 6/22/2026 11:29 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

On 6/22/26 10:51, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 01:17:22 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D-|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against >>>>> some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

What appears to be my earliest memory ends when they stick the needle
in. And it /hurts/ (which, of course, is why I remember it). This sort
of thing might make a person ... reluctant ... to go to the doctor in
later life.

Shots used to hurt more because the needles were thicker, because they
were not disposable and had to be sterilizable for re-use.

Most the needle sticks I've had in the past decade or so have been for
blood draws. I was quite surprised when I found out how much thinner
the needles for COVID vaccines were. Hard to believe Bill Gates
could fit mind control chips through there!

pt
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In article <111blud$1knb5$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/22/2026 11:29 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

On 6/22/26 10:51, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 01:17:22 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D-|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is >>>>> that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against >>>>> some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

What appears to be my earliest memory ends when they stick the needle
in. And it /hurts/ (which, of course, is why I remember it). This sort
of thing might make a person ... reluctant ... to go to the doctor in
later life.

Shots used to hurt more because the needles were thicker, because they were not disposable and had to be sterilizable for re-use.

Most the needle sticks I've had in the past decade or so have been for
blood draws. I was quite surprised when I found out how much thinner
the needles for COVID vaccines were. Hard to believe Bill Gates
could fit mind control chips through there!

That is what the 2 nanometer manufacturing process is for.
--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. rCo-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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On 6/22/26 01:17, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against
some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

The vaccines do not make people ill. The immune system reacts for a relatively short time then begins to produce antibodies to deal with the pathogens to which the immune system was exposed. I was sickly
child some 80+ years ago but none of my illnesses followed a vaccination.

A few years back though I was given the Shingles vaccine and by
the way one of my childhood illnesses was chicken pox and I had been
trouble by recurrent herpes eruptions. After the vaccination I got
sick for 24 hours or so in what resembled a classic Herxheimer reaction
and since then the herpes have not come back. The classic Herxheimer
reaction is the immune system killing active pathogenic cells and then
the body has to dispose of them.

bliss - the old retired and very tired nurse.
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On 6/22/26 08:29, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

On 6/22/26 10:51, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 01:17:22 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D-|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against >>>>> some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

What appears to be my earliest memory ends when they stick the needle
in. And it /hurts/ (which, of course, is why I remember it). This sort
of thing might make a person ... reluctant ... to go to the doctor in
later life.

Shots used to hurt more because the needles were thicker, because they
were not disposable and had to be sterilizable for re-use.

They also had to be resharpened which was a tricky business.
Then into autoclaves to be sterilized with very hot steam.
We used stainless steel trays to hold the syringes in place hanging down like stalagmites from the tray within the larger tray.

Cleaning and sharpening those needles and syringes was a PIA.

bliss the very tired retired nurse


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On 6/22/26 08:55, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 6/22/2026 11:29 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

On 6/22/26 10:51, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 01:17:22 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D-|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is >>>>>> that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against >>>>>> some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

What appears to be my earliest memory ends when they stick the needle
in. And it /hurts/ (which, of course, is why I remember it). This sort
of thing might make a person ... reluctant ... to go to the doctor in
later life.

Shots used to hurt more because the needles were thicker, because they
were not disposable and had to be sterilizable for re-use.

Most the needle sticks I've had in the past decade or so have been for
blood draws. I was quite surprised when I found out how much thinner
the needles for COVID vaccines were. Hard to believe Bill Gates
could fit mind control chips through there!

pt

No the mind control chips are generated inside the brain by the nonsense repeated in the media by the fake news out of the White House
or so it was from 2016-2020 and since January 2025.

bliss
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 11:29:31 -0400, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/22/26 10:51, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 01:17:22 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2026 07:33:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2026 14:01:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

What I have been finding out, since I know a few antivaxer moms, is
that anti-vaxers are not against all vaccines. They are just against >>>>> some vaccines and they against the 63 ??? vaccines by age 2 or 3.

Should children be left to get sick and die before then?

The point is that many vaccines at that age is bound to make a 2 or 3
year old rather ill.

My kids did have all their shots eventually but we didn't let them
have so many at once that they got ill. (Hint: all 3 are now 30+ and
healthy)

What appears to be my earliest memory ends when they stick the needle
in. And it /hurts/ (which, of course, is why I remember it). This sort
of thing might make a person ... reluctant ... to go to the doctor in
later life.

Shots used to hurt more because the needles were thicker, because they
were not disposable and had to be sterilizable for re-use.

It's amazing how people want to make excuses for others they are
unlikely to have ever met.
Next I'll be hearing about how "it didn't really hurt" and "I imagined
it".
BTW, before they jabbed it in they (at least two Nurses[1] were
present) were talking about the cuteness of my butt. No, really.
[1] Women's voices. Trust me on this -- in the 1950s pediatrics
office, woman's voice == Nurse. Man's voice == Doctor.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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