• Re: Graphic novels and comic books

    From scott@scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun May 3 16:58:26 2026
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    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/3/2026 5:16 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-05-03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 02 May 2026 17:09:40 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    Of course though I get massively annoyed at my local library
    reducing the new book section in favor of "graphic novels" most of
    which are no better than the comic books I read 'back in the day'.

    Note that the European concept of rCLgraphic novelrCY (rCLbande dessin|-erCY)
    is a bit different from the American rCLcomic bookrCY. TheyrCOre not
    obsessed with rCLsuperheroesrCY, for a start.

    I never thought "comic books" would be specific to the superhero genre,
    and you got me now looking better at the definition of "graphic novel",
    thanks.

    (US comic books aren't exclusively of the "superheroes" kind, see the
    field of Disney Comics, most notably those by Carl Barks and Don
    Rosa. Although admittedly these magazines for some reason fare worse in
    the US than outside of it...)

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    And aren't old enough to remember archie, jughead and veronica
    (early search engines).

    https://archie.serialport.org/

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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun May 3 18:25:33 2026
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    On 2026-05-03, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

    [Snipping... mainly because of the encoding mismatches]

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    And aren't old enough to remember archie, jughead and veronica
    (early search engines).

    https://archie.serialport.org/

    gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/v2

    (Also: comp.infosystems.gopher)
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan@tednolan to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun May 3 17:27:18 2026
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    In article <S8LJR.819490$JkZ2.170436@fx17.iad>,
    Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/3/2026 5:16 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-05-03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 02 May 2026 17:09:40 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    Of course though I get massively annoyed at my local library
    reducing the new book section in favor of "graphic novels" most of
    which are no better than the comic books I read 'back in the day'.

    Note that the European concept of rCLgraphic novelrCY (rCLbande >dessin|-erCY)
    is a bit different from the American rCLcomic bookrCY. TheyrCOre not
    obsessed with rCLsuperheroesrCY, for a start.

    I never thought "comic books" would be specific to the superhero genre,
    and you got me now looking better at the definition of "graphic novel",
    thanks.

    (US comic books aren't exclusively of the "superheroes" kind, see the
    field of Disney Comics, most notably those by Carl Barks and Don
    Rosa. Although admittedly these magazines for some reason fare worse in
    the US than outside of it...)

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    And aren't old enough to remember archie, jughead and veronica
    (early search engines).

    https://archie.serialport.org/


    The funniest graphic novel I ever read was "The Cowboy Wally Show".
    If you have a certain sense of humor, check it out:

    https://www.amazon.com/Cowboy-Wally-Show-Kyle-Baker/dp/1530550297
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    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun May 3 22:18:47 2026
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    On Sun, 3 May 2026 11:19:14 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 5/3/2026 5:16 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:

    On 2026-05-03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    Note that the European concept of rCLgraphic novelrCY (rCLbande
    dessin|-erCY) is a bit different from the American rCLcomic bookrCY.
    TheyrCOre not obsessed with rCLsuperheroesrCY, for a start.

    I never thought "comic books" would be specific to the superhero
    genre, and you got me now looking better at the definition of
    "graphic novel", thanks.

    (US comic books aren't exclusively of the "superheroes" kind, see
    the field of Disney Comics, most notably those by Carl Barks and
    Don Rosa. Although admittedly these magazines for some reason fare
    worse in the US than outside of it...)

    Kind of confirming my case, I think.

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    All I know is, when the legendary Moebius tried to do more creative interpretations of, what was it, rCLSilver SurferrCY and rCLBatmanrCY, he received a rather cool reception ...
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  • From ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan@tednolan to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun May 3 22:32:35 2026
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    In article <10t8hk6$37epi$7@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 3 May 2026 11:19:14 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    On 5/3/2026 5:16 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:

    On 2026-05-03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    Note that the European concept of rCLgraphic novelrCY (rCLbande
    dessin|-erCY) is a bit different from the American rCLcomic bookrCY.
    TheyrCOre not obsessed with rCLsuperheroesrCY, for a start.

    I never thought "comic books" would be specific to the superhero
    genre, and you got me now looking better at the definition of
    "graphic novel", thanks.

    (US comic books aren't exclusively of the "superheroes" kind, see
    the field of Disney Comics, most notably those by Carl Barks and
    Don Rosa. Although admittedly these magazines for some reason fare
    worse in the US than outside of it...)

    Kind of confirming my case, I think.

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    All I know is, when the legendary Moebius tried to do more creative >interpretations of, what was it, rCLSilver SurferrCY and rCLBatmanrCY, he >received a rather cool reception ...

    You know that thing you like? How about I do it completely different?
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    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun May 3 23:51:29 2026
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    On 3 May 2026 22:32:35 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

    You know that thing you like? How about I do it completely
    different?

    Precisely my point. He was trying to do the rCLsuperheroesrCY as something
    more than rCLsuperheroesrCY, but that didnrCOt go down well at all.
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  • From Jay Morris@morrisj@epsilon3.me to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun May 3 21:44:51 2026
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    On 5/3/2026 11:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/3/2026 5:16 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-05-03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 02 May 2026 17:09:40 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    Of course though I get massively annoyed at my local library
    reducing the new book section in favor of "graphic novels" most of
    which are no better than the comic books I read 'back in the day'.

    Note that the European concept of rCLgraphic novelrCY (rCLbande dessin|-erCY)
    is a bit different from the American rCLcomic bookrCY. TheyrCOre not
    obsessed with rCLsuperheroesrCY, for a start.

    I never thought "comic books" would be specific to the superhero genre,
    and you got me now looking better at the definition of "graphic novel",
    thanks.

    (US comic books aren't exclusively of the "superheroes" kind, see the
    field of Disney Comics, most notably those by Carl Barks and Don
    Rosa. Although admittedly these magazines for some reason fare worse in
    the US than outside of it...)

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    And aren't old enough to remember archie, jughead and veronica
    (early search engines).

    https://archie.serialport.org/


    Unfortunately:
    rUaN+A Our Archie search service is currently offline rUa

    We had the Archie server running inside a Sun Sparc VM, and that VM is currently offline.

    We may bring this back online in the future, but the Archie software is
    rather complex and not fun to work with at times. If you're interested
    in checking out the Archie software code yourself, please see:

    https://files.serialport.org/archie/archie-3.5-beta/

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  • From Chris Thompson@the_thompsons@earthlink.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon May 4 23:31:16 2026
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    Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/3/2026 5:16 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-05-03, Lawrence D|ore4raoOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 02 May 2026 17:09:40 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    Of course though I get massively annoyed at my local library
    reducing the new book section in favor of "graphic novels" most of
    which are no better than the comic books I read 'back in the day'.

    Note that the European concept of |ore4+ographic novel|ore4-Y (|ore4+obande dessin|a--e|ore4-Y)
    is a bit different from the American |ore4+ocomic book|ore4-Y. They|ore4raore not
    obsessed with |ore4+osuperheroes|ore4-Y, for a start.

    I never thought "comic books" would be specific to the superhero genre,
    and you got me now looking better at the definition of "graphic novel",
    thanks.

    (US comic books aren't exclusively of the "superheroes" kind, see the
    field of Disney Comics, most notably those by Carl Barks and Don
    Rosa. Although admittedly these magazines for some reason fare worse in
    the US than outside of it...)

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    And aren't old enough to remember archie, jughead and veronica
    (early search engines).

    https://archie.serialport.org/


    And Sergeant Rock and Tales from the Crypt

    Chris

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon May 4 20:55:53 2026
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    On 5/4/26 20:31, Chris Thompson wrote:
    Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/3/2026 5:16 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-05-03, Lawrence D|ore4raoOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 02 May 2026 17:09:40 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    Of course though I get massively annoyed at my local library
    reducing the new book section in favor of "graphic novels" most of >>>>>> which are no better than the comic books I read 'back in the day'.

    Note that the European concept of |ore4+ographic novel|ore4-Y (|ore4+obande
    dessin|a--e|ore4-Y)
    is a bit different from the American |ore4+ocomic book|ore4-Y. They|ore4raore not
    obsessed with |ore4+osuperheroes|ore4-Y, for a start.

    I never thought "comic books" would be specific to the superhero genre, >>>> and you got me now looking better at the definition of "graphic novel", >>>> thanks.

    (US comic books aren't exclusively of the "superheroes" kind, see the
    field of Disney Comics, most notably those by Carl Barks and Don
    Rosa. Although admittedly these magazines for some reason fare worse in >>>> the US than outside of it...)

    Anyone who thinks US 'comic books' are all superhero hasn't visited
    a comic store lately, or ever.

    And aren't old enough to remember archie, jughead and veronica
    (early search engines).

    https://archie.serialport.org/


    And Sergeant Rock and Tales from the Crypt

    Chris

    Mad Comics and Mad Magazine.
    Oswald the Lucky Rabbit
    Mary Jane and Sprinkles the Mouse
    Blackhawk and his squadron of anti-fascists
    Batman, a constumed vigilante without superpowers or magic
    Prince someone with an Ibis magical device.
    Mickey Mouse, Minnie, the nephews, friends like Clarabelle Cow and Goofy
    Donald Duck, Daisy, his nephews, relatives and friends.
    Mutt and Jeff
    Mary Worth - started as Apple Mary in the Great Depression selling apples to survive.
    Rex Morgan, MD
    Gasoline Alley
    Krazy Kat
    Henry the bald-headed, mute boy.
    Moon Mullins
    The Gumps
    Our Boarding House
    Katzenjammer Kids
    The Captain and the Kids
    The Nut Brothers, Wal and Ches
    The Little Hitchhiker - by word was Nov Shaz Kapop.
    Bringing up Father aks Maggie and Jiggs
    Dadwood and Blondie
    The Invisible Scarlett O'Neill
    Prince Valiant
    Flash Gordon
    Wash Tubbs
    Terry and the Pirates
    Steve Canyon

    I might remember more later...

    bliss

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  • From Titus G@noone@nowhere.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue May 5 16:56:25 2026
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    On 05/05/2026 15:55, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    A very long list of US comics without superheros.

    I had only read two.

    -a-a-a-aMad Magazine.
    -a-a-a-aDonald Duck, Daisy, his nephews, relatives and friends.

    -a-a-a-aDadwood and Blondie

    Dagwood? Was this a syndicated newspaper comic strip?

    -a-a-a-aI might remember more later...
    -a-a-a-abliss



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