• This Census Taker. China Mielville.

    From Titus G@noone@nowhere.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 22 12:27:26 2026
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    This Census Taker. China Mielville.

    Many years ago, I loved his steampunk "New Crobuzon" series and the standalones, "Embassytown" and "The City and the City" which were also brilliantly imaginative earning solid Four Stars but "This Census Taker"
    was One Star rubbish.
    A youth, whose father makes magical keys for a living and kills things including people, escapes to the village where he claims his father has
    killed his mother but is not believed so is returned home. Slow, dry and boring. I didn't appreciate what I was reading so sought on line reviews
    once finished. I missed some riddle aspects in which I lost interest but
    the consensus of views once the empty flowery praise was ignored was
    that the book was a study of a traumatised unreliable narrator. And that
    is neither interesting not entertaining.


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  • From Bice@eichler2@comcast.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Sep 28 11:51:14 2026
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    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 12:27:26 +1200, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    This Census Taker. China Mielville.

    Many years ago, I loved his steampunk "New Crobuzon" series and the >standalones, "Embassytown" and "The City and the City" which were also >brilliantly imaginative earning solid Four Stars but "This Census Taker"
    was One Star rubbish.

    the consensus of views once the empty flowery praise was ignored was
    that the book was a study of a traumatised unreliable narrator. And that
    is neither interesting not entertaining.


    As an opposing viewpoint, I'll mention that I found the book at a
    library sale several years ago and really enjoyed it. It's a fairly
    confusing post-apocalyptic story that jumps around in time and switchs
    from first person to third and back. It may or may not have a reliable
    narrator and it leaves a lot unexplained. But I blew through it in
    three days, and I'm not the fastest reader. It's more novella length
    than novel.

    After my second reading, when I thought I had finally worked out what
    was really going on in the story, I read a review from someone who had
    a completely different take on the tale's backstory and a different
    explanation for the events in the book, and his version made more
    sense than what I had come up with.

    If you're looking for a story that spoon feeds the reader and wraps up
    all the loose ends, this isn't that book. But it was interesting and definitely got my imagination fired up.

    -- Bob
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 29 08:48:49 2026
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    Bice <eichler2@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 12:27:26 +1200, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    the consensus of views once the empty flowery praise was ignored was
    that the book was a study of a traumatised unreliable narrator. And that
    is neither interesting not entertaining.

    As an opposing viewpoint, I'll mention that I found the book at a
    library sale several years ago and really enjoyed it. It's a fairly >confusing post-apocalyptic story that jumps around in time and switchs
    from first person to third and back. It may or may not have a reliable >narrator and it leaves a lot unexplained. But I blew through it in
    three days, and I'm not the fastest reader. It's more novella length
    than novel.

    I liked it, but I like flowery prose. It did take me a second reading
    before I figured out a lot of what is going on, and to my mind that is a
    good thing.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From scott@scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 29 14:31:01 2026
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    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
    Bice <eichler2@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 12:27:26 +1200, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    the consensus of views once the empty flowery praise was ignored was
    that the book was a study of a traumatised unreliable narrator. And that >>>is neither interesting not entertaining.

    As an opposing viewpoint, I'll mention that I found the book at a
    library sale several years ago and really enjoyed it. It's a fairly >>confusing post-apocalyptic story that jumps around in time and switchs
    from first person to third and back. It may or may not have a reliable >>narrator and it leaves a lot unexplained. But I blew through it in
    three days, and I'm not the fastest reader. It's more novella length
    than novel.

    I liked it, but I like flowery prose. It did take me a second reading
    before I figured out a lot of what is going on, and to my mind that is a >good thing.

    Ah, then you'll have no difficulties with Cervantes :-)
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  • From Titus G@noone@nowhere.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Sep 30 15:16:08 2026
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    On 30/09/2026 01:48, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Bice <eichler2@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 12:27:26 +1200, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    the consensus of views once the empty flowery praise was ignored was
    that the book was a study of a traumatised unreliable narrator. And that >>> is neither interesting not entertaining.

    As an opposing viewpoint, I'll mention that I found the book at a
    library sale several years ago and really enjoyed it. It's a fairly
    confusing post-apocalyptic story that jumps around in time and switchs >>from first person to third and back. It may or may not have a reliable
    narrator and it leaves a lot unexplained. But I blew through it in
    three days, and I'm not the fastest reader. It's more novella length
    than novel.

    I liked it, but I like flowery prose.

    The flowery prose I criticised was in the empty reviews not the book.

    It did take me a second reading
    before I figured out a lot of what is going on, and to my mind that is a good thing.
    --scott

    I don't plan to reread it but I would like to hear your opinion of what
    was going on, thank you.
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  • From Titus G@noone@nowhere.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Sep 30 15:28:06 2026
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    On 29/09/2026 04:51, Bice wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 12:27:26 +1200, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    This Census Taker. China Mielville.

    Many years ago, I loved his steampunk "New Crobuzon" series and the
    standalones, "Embassytown" and "The City and the City" which were also
    brilliantly imaginative earning solid Four Stars but "This Census Taker"
    was One Star rubbish.

    A youth, whose father makes magical keys for a living and kills things including people, escapes to the village where he claims his father has
    killed his mother but is not believed so is returned home. Slow, dry and boring. I didn't appreciate what I was reading so sought on line reviews
    once finished. I missed some riddle aspects in which I lost interest but
    the consensus of views once the empty flowery praise was ignored was
    that the book was a study of a traumatised unreliable narrator. And that
    is neither interesting not entertaining.


    As an opposing viewpoint, I'll mention that I found the book at a
    library sale several years ago and really enjoyed it. It's a fairly confusing post-apocalyptic story that jumps around in time and switchs
    from first person to third and back. It may or may not have a reliable narrator and it leaves a lot unexplained. But I blew through it in
    three days, and I'm not the fastest reader. It's more novella length
    than novel.

    The narrator is definitely unreliable. It is clearly stated that the
    second book of the three census takers' books, (the one we are reading),
    was incomplete and dishonest and that truths were disclosed in the third
    book which no one would read except the census taker himself.
    After my second reading, when I thought I had finally worked out what
    was really going on in the story, I read a review from someone who had
    a completely different take on the tale's backstory and a different explanation for the events in the book, and his version made more
    sense than what I had come up with.

    I would be interested to hear those two differing theories. One of my
    gripes is that the lack of events fitting a plot and the lack of
    characters made everything so vague. You support that gripe with your
    report of different interpretations.
    Perhaps his murdered mother was the other census taker's assistant and
    the census taker put the father in the hole as revenge?
    At the very end of the book, he leaves with one of the children, (now an adult), from the house on the bridge suggesting that the narrator was a resident there instead of living with his father?
    The census taker is counting or accounting for people only from his own
    polity. People capable of magic who were responsible for the troubles
    resulting in the post apocalyptic primitive society?

    If you're looking for a story that spoon feeds the reader and wraps up
    all the loose ends, this isn't that book. But it was interesting and definitely got my imagination fired up.

    -- Bob

    Whilst I enjoy being spoon fed, I also enjoy ambiguous conclusions where
    the reader can consider the choices not knowing which might be correct
    but in this book, everything was too vague.
    The primitive setting was vague but not relevant to the story apart from
    the lack of communal authority.
    There was only one non-plastic character, the traumatised unreliable
    narrator.
    If there is a plot, it is carefully hidden. I think you were lucky to
    have your imagination fired up as it fell flat for me. Rather than using
    his brilliant powers of imagination to explain impossibilities, (The
    City and The City), Mielville's imagination has undertaken a writing
    exercise.
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