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Steven Douglas wrote:

You believe that the

I believe in the multiverse. No, I haven't determined
it with advanced mathematics or careful scientific
experiments. Nope. Not me. I've arrived at the
multiverse as the answer using logic.

Sounds pathetic, right? But that's how I land on the
multiverse square: Rolling the logic dice!

And for me it all comes down to time. Time was
always the problem, it made everything illogical...

We perceive things as occurring in specific points
in time but time is relative. Not only is it theoretically
possible for us to move in/at slightly different time
frames from each other but some assure us that we
already do. It's all just so infinitesimally small, this
difference in time, that none of us could measure
it, much less perceive it.

And of course astronauts, traveling very fast, do
experience time at measurably different rates... and
when we start talking about aliens clear across the
universe these differences start to get enormous.

And it gets worse.

Einstein demonstrated for us that the universe doesn't
even need time. That, with Simultaneity things could all
have happened at once, and it's just our individual
perspectives that make it appear to us that they all happen
at different times from each other, and different times for
all of us.

AND THEN there's the fact that nobody can exclude time
travel from the realm of possibilities, regardless of how
unlikely it may be or even impossible at our current state of
advancement, which creates outright paradoxes... Like the
famous Grandfather Paradox where you go back in time &
murder off grandad before your dad was born, stopping you
from ever going back in time which allows you to go back
in time which stops you from going back which lets you go
back...

Time sucks.

The multiverse, though, clears that all up. It says that time
as we perceive it is an illusion. That, EVERYTHING was
created all at once. That, every potential outcome to
EVERYTHING all came into being at once. Every potential
version of tomorrow exists and has always existed and
will always exist. Our perceptions matter NOT because we
create outcomes but because we choose amongst them.

The outcomes we do not select still exist. We simply do not
experience them. (Maybe we do, but for discussing time and
why I embraced the multiverse let's keep it simple)

This DOES fit visualizing/manifesting but it fits mainstream
traditional belief sets as well -- albeit to varying degrees.

IF every potential tomorrow exists AND we can and do
influence which version we will experience, it is logical that
methods could be determined for selecting the more
desirable versions.

I think the first time I was introduced to this concept they
were calling it "Sliding" after the TV series "Sliders," where a
group of characters "Slid" between versions of reality.

"Quantum Leap" was another show based on such a
concept, and I believe I saw people talking about it in
reference to that show as well.

I can't say I invested a great deal of thought at the time but
one thing I recall is someone saying you could only move
to a universe immediately adjacent to the present. And this
meant that it would be very very similar to our own. So, like,
if your leg was chewed off by a ravenous mule you couldn't
just "slide" into the next universe and get your leg back. You'd
have to make many, many "slides" before that could happen.

It was a little confusing.

It did not hold my interest long enough to connect it to the
multiverse concept, as the multiverse was about potentiality,
usually called the wave function and usually depicted as
some form of bell curve illustrating that some potentialities
are greater than others.

AND, I love experimenting. I love testing ideas. This is why I
"Visualize" really big things, thinking that if they "Manifest"
this proves the claim. Right?

So my "Belief" is in the multiverse. That's my belief. Not
particularly exotic, sorry, but there it is.

My interest in "Manifesting" is the furthest thing from
believing an intelligent being is listening to our wishes and
deciding whether to grant them or not. The multiverse
doesn't exclude God but it changes the dynamic from ships
captain, steering us on course, to, idunno, maybe chief
engineer? Booking agent?

I don't know.


The above is from a 2021 post, one of many on the topic
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Oh! My! GAWD! This JTEM is brilliant, positively *Brilliant!*

I wish I could be him and... wait. No. I AM HIM!

THAT'S SO _AWESOME_

Here's the thread, btw, from wench it came:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/BjEFfIs3xZs/m/GyleP-miCAAJ



On 6/10/25 5:35 PM, JTEM wrote:

Steven Douglas wrote:

You believe that the

I believe in the multiverse. No, I haven't determined
it with advanced mathematics or careful scientific
experiments. Nope. Not me. I've arrived at the
multiverse as the answer using logic.

Sounds pathetic, right? But that's how I land on the
multiverse square: Rolling the logic dice!

And for me it all comes down to time. Time was
always the problem, it made everything illogical...

We perceive things as occurring in specific points
in time but time is relative. Not only is it theoretically
possible for us to move in/at slightly different time
frames from each other but some assure us that we
already do. It's all just so infinitesimally small, this
difference in time, that none of us could-a measure
it, much less perceive it.

And of course astronauts, traveling very fast, do
experience time at measurably different rates... and
when we start talking about aliens clear across the
universe these differences start to get enormous.

And it gets worse.

Einstein demonstrated for us that the universe doesn't
even need time. That, with Simultaneity things could all
have happened at once, and it's just our individual
perspectives that make it appear to us that they all happen
at different times from each other, and different times for
all of us.

AND THEN there's the fact that nobody can exclude time
travel from the realm of possibilities, regardless of how
unlikely it may be or even impossible at our current state of
advancement, which creates outright paradoxes... Like the
famous Grandfather Paradox where you go back in time &
murder off grandad before your dad was born, stopping you
from ever going back in time which allows you to go back
in time which stops you from going back which lets you go
back...

Time sucks.

The multiverse, though, clears that all up. It says that time
as we perceive it is an illusion. That, EVERYTHING was
created all at once. That, every potential outcome to
EVERYTHING all came into being at once. Every potential
version of tomorrow exists and has always existed and
will always exist. Our perceptions matter NOT because we
create outcomes but because we choose amongst them.

The outcomes we do not select still exist. We simply do not
experience them. (Maybe we do, but for discussing time and
why I embraced the multiverse let's keep it simple)

This DOES fit visualizing/manifesting but it fits mainstream
traditional belief sets as well -- albeit to varying degrees.

IF every potential tomorrow exists AND we can and do
influence which version we will experience, it is logical that
methods could be determined for selecting the more
desirable versions.

I think the first time I was introduced to this concept they
were calling it "Sliding" after the TV series "Sliders," where a
group of characters "Slid" between versions of reality.

"Quantum Leap" was another show based on such a
concept, and I believe I saw people talking about it in
reference to that show as well.

I can't say I invested a great deal of thought at the time but
one thing I recall is someone saying you could only move
to a universe immediately adjacent to the present. And this
meant that it would be very very similar to our own. So, like,
if your leg was chewed off by a ravenous mule you couldn't
just "slide" into the next universe and get your leg back. You'd
have to make many, many "slides" before that could happen.

It was a little confusing.

It did not hold my interest long enough to connect it to the
multiverse concept, as the multiverse was about potentiality,
usually called the wave function and usually depicted as
some form of bell curve illustrating that some potentialities
are greater than others.

AND, I love experimenting. I love testing ideas. This is why I
"Visualize" really big things, thinking that if they "Manifest"
this proves the claim. Right?

So my "Belief" is in the multiverse. That's my belief. Not
particularly exotic, sorry, but there it is.

My interest in "Manifesting" is the furthest thing from
believing an intelligent being is listening to our wishes and
deciding whether to grant them or not. The multiverse
doesn't exclude God but it changes the dynamic from ships
captain, steering us on course, to, idunno, maybe chief
engineer? Booking agent?

I don't know.

The above is from a 2021 post, one of many on the topic

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5
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